I was going to write up this long post about this but I can sum it up quickly. After looking over both these guys resume, I will have to go with B-Hop because of these wins Tito (prime), Pavlik (prime), Glen Johnson (prime), and Traver (prime). If Oscar would've beaten Mosley (prime),or Tito (prime), along with a clear cut win against Pernell Whitaker I would put him ahead of B-Hop.
Manny Pacquiao vs Antonio Margarito Nov 13th, Cowboys Stadium
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so an interesting piece of info regarding marg-pac:
Normally, all fights above 147 pounds you must use 10 oz gloves.
147 and below you can use 8 oz gloves (which is typically what Pac wears).
In the state of Texas, however, they do allow 8oz gloves at
higher weights if both parties agree.
Margarito & pacquiao have both agreed to the smaller, harder hitting 8oz glove.
What this means? There will be blood! there will be pain!
Normally, all fights above 147 pounds you must use 10 oz gloves.
147 and below you can use 8 oz gloves (which is typically what Pac wears).
In the state of Texas, however, they do allow 8oz gloves at
higher weights if both parties agree.
Margarito & pacquiao have both agreed to the smaller, harder hitting 8oz glove.
What this means? There will be blood! there will be pain!
reading the same thing.
but if history teaches us anything, this happens in EVERY pacquiao training camp. Roch is pissed, pac is too distracted making movies blah blah blah. Then, couple weeks before the fight, roach says something like "pacquiao has peaked, he's on top of his game he's ready!"
then again, pac was never congressman before though
but if history teaches us anything, this happens in EVERY pacquiao training camp. Roch is pissed, pac is too distracted making movies blah blah blah. Then, couple weeks before the fight, roach says something like "pacquiao has peaked, he's on top of his game he's ready!"
then again, pac was never congressman before though
huh? pacquiao has had one catchweight fight in his career against cotto.
the belt is a meaningless belt, it's a vacant WBC belt that neither pac or margarito own nor do they have the right to fight for it. It's a paper title.
this fight is for entertainment and money and that's it. no one cares about the vacant WBC belt. further if pac wins he's going back down in weight so he'll just give up the belt anyway and it will be available to someone like chavez jr or some bullshit
the belt is a meaningless belt, it's a vacant WBC belt that neither pac or margarito own nor do they have the right to fight for it. It's a paper title.
this fight is for entertainment and money and that's it. no one cares about the vacant WBC belt. further if pac wins he's going back down in weight so he'll just give up the belt anyway and it will be available to someone like chavez jr or some bullshit
To answer something you said above 2-0... Ranking fighters on an all time list has a lot to do with "if such and such fighter were to fight such and such, who would win" type of scenario's and talk or could one fighter hypothetically beat the other? Case in point, Hagler (one of my all time favorites) were to fight Bhop, I would favor Hagler if they were in their prime but bhop accomplished more. Haglers biggest fights were against guys moving up in weight (Mugabi, Hearns, Duran and Leonard). Historians also disregard bad decisions when grading a fighter. Most people agree that Oscar lost to Sturm but also fairly beat Mosley and Trinidad. In fact, he schooled Trinidad when he was in his prime. Obviously we know the whole running story behind the fight now for the last few rounds or whatever, but he deserved to win. So his biggest "win" wasn't against Vargas.
I actually discredit Oscar for following Tito a bit. I don't think he would've fought Vargas until he saw Tito destroy him or the same thing with Mayorga.
You also bring up How Oscar's win was fradulent against Sturm. If it weren't for that fraud of a win, BHOP wouldn't have unified all the titles. You need to be a good fighter and have a lot of luck to do that anymore. But that wouldn't have even been possible without HBO's MW tournament. We might see a fully unified Champion if the Super Six winner fights Bute but boxing politics prevents this more than ability.
I think Hagler would've had 20+ defenses if he would've gotten a title shot when he deserved one. As it was, he was close to that anyways.
Were you saying that no fighter had 20+ defenses or just middleweights? I was pretty sure that Ricardo lopez had 21 total defenses but I think he moved up in weight once so maybe that doesn't count? Who knows, either way, he's tremendously overlooked.
I actually discredit Oscar for following Tito a bit. I don't think he would've fought Vargas until he saw Tito destroy him or the same thing with Mayorga.
You also bring up How Oscar's win was fradulent against Sturm. If it weren't for that fraud of a win, BHOP wouldn't have unified all the titles. You need to be a good fighter and have a lot of luck to do that anymore. But that wouldn't have even been possible without HBO's MW tournament. We might see a fully unified Champion if the Super Six winner fights Bute but boxing politics prevents this more than ability.
I think Hagler would've had 20+ defenses if he would've gotten a title shot when he deserved one. As it was, he was close to that anyways.
Were you saying that no fighter had 20+ defenses or just middleweights? I was pretty sure that Ricardo lopez had 21 total defenses but I think he moved up in weight once so maybe that doesn't count? Who knows, either way, he's tremendously overlooked.
No, I didn't mean that he always fights catchweight fights, I just mean there's issues with the weight. I mean, it works so you can't fault him too much but there's always drama with it. Making fighters sign into the contract that they'll pay 1 million dollars for each lb they're over and stuff like that, including morales who wasn't making that much money to fight Pacquaio at that weight. Like I always say, if a fighter signs on the line, it's their fault but I still just getting tired of hearing about it.
historians wont forget it was a catchweight though and a vacant title.
To this day Sugar Ray Leonard still gets discredited for the bullshit against Donny Lalonde when he won BOTH the WBC light heavyweight title AND a vacant WBC super middleweight title in a single fight. lol.
But really that doesn't hurt his legacy, it's more of a diss on the organization (not a coincidence it was the WBC back then too which is the most crooked of them all) that made them into title fights because they want the $$$$ sanctioning fees.
And the end of the day if pacquiao retires after beating margarito it's not going to matter one bit if he's a 7 division champ or 8. his legacy is sealed regardless if the last one is a paper title or not and I think most historians after he's retired will call him a 7 division champ not 8.
Further, pacquiao wont be the first fighter to win a title in a catweight fight. Like I mentioned catchweights date back to the late 1800's
To this day Sugar Ray Leonard still gets discredited for the bullshit against Donny Lalonde when he won BOTH the WBC light heavyweight title AND a vacant WBC super middleweight title in a single fight. lol.
But really that doesn't hurt his legacy, it's more of a diss on the organization (not a coincidence it was the WBC back then too which is the most crooked of them all) that made them into title fights because they want the $$$$ sanctioning fees.
And the end of the day if pacquiao retires after beating margarito it's not going to matter one bit if he's a 7 division champ or 8. his legacy is sealed regardless if the last one is a paper title or not and I think most historians after he's retired will call him a 7 division champ not 8.
Further, pacquiao wont be the first fighter to win a title in a catweight fight. Like I mentioned catchweights date back to the late 1800's
I don't buy into the rumors. It feels like they're blowing smoke to make this fight look more competitive. Margarito looks better but his footwork is still crap. Pacquiao should be able to outbox him but it looks like it might be competitive so who knows?
The best thing that could happen, is Pacquiao looking less than good in this fight. People will still want him to fight mayweather and maybe then Mayweather will take the fight thinking he can capitalize on Pac before it's too late. He's done it before
The best thing that could happen, is Pacquiao looking less than good in this fight. People will still want him to fight mayweather and maybe then Mayweather will take the fight thinking he can capitalize on Pac before it's too late. He's done it before
Sparring sessions are what established fighters use to help up and coming fighters either in their stables or in their promotional umbrella get their name out there. DLH was famous for shit "leaking" about fighters under his promotion handling him sparring, Floyd constantly does it with fighters he's fond of i.e. the Irish amateur that supposedly crushed his body and Floyd made no mention of it.
It's a good way to get some hype around a guy without losing any yourself because in the end all that matters is what you can do under the lights.
It's a good way to get some hype around a guy without losing any yourself because in the end all that matters is what you can do under the lights.
