Manny Pacquiao has TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED ME
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You know this creates such a mixed bag because as Manny might truly represent the "Great White/ Asian" hope to dethrone the black fighter...where does that leave the Hispanics to align themselves with? That same boxing fan base...whom Maywearher has thrived off of in May and September...do the Latinos root against Mayweather for his winning bouts against their best fighters to wherein they back Manny Pacquiao...or does the Marquez loyalty factor prevent them from aligning themselves with Pacquioa...who has received at least one "gift" fight against the Mexican legend? Now this question isn't being posed to fight fans who just like boxers no matter what nationality, "color/ cultural background shouldn't be a factor" but it does...it's a part of boxing...we want to see our own succeed...but we do have room (some more than others) to appreciate the greatness in other culture's fighters...me personally the list is looooooong in recognition of other fighters most notably Marco Antonio Barrera "The Baby Faced Assassin"...with ALL of what I just said I agree with T-Rip...Manny is the White/ Asian hope to dethrone the Black King...just like Canelo was the Aztec warrior sent to KO Mayweather and unseat him from his thrown...boxing is beautiful like that...gets us all hyped up and shit.
We are very similar. My top 3 favorite fighters of all time are Floyd, Holyfield, & Leonard. Got Em!!
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Lot's of people simply want to see Floyd lose they don't care what race. When Shane Mosley almost knocked Floyd out in the second round I guarantee at least half the people watching were jumping and screaming in joy.
There is no great white/asian hope that's a ridiculous notion. Sure, many fans are nationalistic but Thats as far as it goes.
Like I said, Pacquiao rose in stardom because of his accomplishments. No one ever thought they could fight because of the weight difference and Floyd was retired from boxing when Pacquiao fought Oscar and Hatton. Once Pacquiao beat Cotto at the end of 2009 that's when*the public really wanted to see the fight. Prior to then it didn't seem realistic and the fight wasn't even on anyone's radar (again different weight classes followed by Floyd's retirement). Point being Pacquiao was a huge star before even being considered as a Mayweather opponent.
There is no great white/asian hope that's a ridiculous notion. Sure, many fans are nationalistic but Thats as far as it goes.
Like I said, Pacquiao rose in stardom because of his accomplishments. No one ever thought they could fight because of the weight difference and Floyd was retired from boxing when Pacquiao fought Oscar and Hatton. Once Pacquiao beat Cotto at the end of 2009 that's when*the public really wanted to see the fight. Prior to then it didn't seem realistic and the fight wasn't even on anyone's radar (again different weight classes followed by Floyd's retirement). Point being Pacquiao was a huge star before even being considered as a Mayweather opponent.
You see with you 206 is that you are the "perfect" thinker...that's a compliment...so there is no room for you when it comes to national preferences...however you can't ignore nationalism when it comes to discussions on Hatton fans, Morales fans...it's said throughout the boxing commentary about boxers having a national fan base...or cultural fan base...but boxing has a way of FIGHTING THROUGH some prejudices because there wasn't a MAN ALIVE who wasn't a fan of Mike Tyson when he was knocking people out...I myself was jealous of Oscar because he was the NEXT Golden Boy taking the torch from Sugar Ray Leonard...he was Latino and he was a mega star I wanted a black fighter to unseat him. It became me rooting for ANYBODY that was against him ( like what people are doing to Mayweather) I was ecstatic that Shane Mosley beat him in their first encounter...ironically I became an Oscar fan after the second fight where I thought Oscar was robbed of the victory...I rooted for Oscar against Benard Hopkins because I believed Benard had no business fighting smaller fighters. I believed Oscar could have won that fight had he stayed boxing and used his speed I was very disappointed that he lost...and I was hoping for Marquez to be victorious over Bradley so he could have made boxing history...sometimes I go for a fighter because he is black (Sweet Pea over Chavez)....most times I go for a fighter because he is just a bad muthafucka...boxing can create racial divides and boxing can brings us together to witness one man's greatness...unfold right before us. Cause deep down...everybody respects a fighter it symbolizes how me live.
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Of course there is nationalism in boxing but I'm talking about Pacquiao. He has crossover appeal that went way beyond his Filipino fan-base. Just like the other super stars, Mike Tyson, Oscar and Floyd. Everyone, no matter race, tuned in to watch. These guys were/are global stars too. Floyd has a training session in England and thousands of people turn up just to get a glance. Pacquiao goes anywhere same deal. Thats why their considered crossover stars.
Guys like Hatton, or Tomaz Adamek (Polish), or whomever need to have that nationalistic support. These guys aren't on that level of the big stars.
But the last half of your post kind of confirmed what I'm talking about, you giving numerous examples of going against Black fighters (for the record Hopkins fought Oscar of a catchweight and weighed 156 pounds).
The other thing is I don't think most Americans are very nationalistic when it comes to boxing, unless you come from a recent migrated ethnic group like Mexican, Polish or whatever. Black and white boxing fans, in general, just want to see good fights. If we lived in England, where boxing is inferior lol, we'd be much more nationalistic.
For me, I don't care where a guy comes from. Try to make sense of my favorite fighters: Hopkins (US), Golovkin (Kazakhstan), Rigondeaux (Cuba), Kovalev (Russia), Thurman (US), Pacquiao (PH), Lara (Cuba), Kirkland (US), Haye (UK), Ruslan (Siberia), Floyd (US). I can go on but you get the picture.
Guys like Hatton, or Tomaz Adamek (Polish), or whomever need to have that nationalistic support. These guys aren't on that level of the big stars.
But the last half of your post kind of confirmed what I'm talking about, you giving numerous examples of going against Black fighters (for the record Hopkins fought Oscar of a catchweight and weighed 156 pounds).
The other thing is I don't think most Americans are very nationalistic when it comes to boxing, unless you come from a recent migrated ethnic group like Mexican, Polish or whatever. Black and white boxing fans, in general, just want to see good fights. If we lived in England, where boxing is inferior lol, we'd be much more nationalistic.
For me, I don't care where a guy comes from. Try to make sense of my favorite fighters: Hopkins (US), Golovkin (Kazakhstan), Rigondeaux (Cuba), Kovalev (Russia), Thurman (US), Pacquiao (PH), Lara (Cuba), Kirkland (US), Haye (UK), Ruslan (Siberia), Floyd (US). I can go on but you get the picture.
Again, as I've always said, I love watching Floyd fight. He is a master at what he does in the ring. Out of all the years and years I've watched Floyd, only ONCE did I want him to lose and that was against Maidana because of the shit he pulled with the gloves. Outside of the ring I'm not really a fan of the guy, but inside the ring I'm a huge fan. I've ordered every Floyd PPV since Judah and Baldomir.
I'm a fan of Donaire as well. If you look at my post I said "I can go on." I can name 50 more guys at least I'm a fan of. Froch, Ward, Cloud, Mares, Errol Spence, Gausha, Gamboa, Canelo, Cotto, Deontay Wilder, Omar Figueroa, Nihito Arakawa, Lomachenko, Maidana, Quillin, Rancés Barthelemí, Yuniel Dorticos, Davis Lemieux, Curtis Stevens, Lucas Matthysse, I can go on and on and on. I'm a fan of the sport quite obviously.
I'm a fan of Donaire as well. If you look at my post I said "I can go on." I can name 50 more guys at least I'm a fan of. Froch, Ward, Cloud, Mares, Errol Spence, Gausha, Gamboa, Canelo, Cotto, Deontay Wilder, Omar Figueroa, Nihito Arakawa, Lomachenko, Maidana, Quillin, Rancés Barthelemí, Yuniel Dorticos, Davis Lemieux, Curtis Stevens, Lucas Matthysse, I can go on and on and on. I'm a fan of the sport quite obviously.
I think u are using the term "favorite" real light and in general. To me when i say favorite it means someone I really really like and root for. To me from my definition Floyd is not a favorite of yours. Maybe u like watching him fight but u dont like him outside of that so he isnt a favorite of yours. How can u have 30 fav fighters haha. Guess me and u and the rest of the world are different lol. How many fav football, basketball, baseball teams do u have? I only have one in each sport. Got Em!!
Boxing is not comparable to those sports since those are Team sports, not an individual sport.
Your definition of favorite is a lot different than mine, yes, to you it means someone you'll jock hardcore. To me it's simply "my favorite fighters I like to watch".
Your definition of favorite is a lot different than mine, yes, to you it means someone you'll jock hardcore. To me it's simply "my favorite fighters I like to watch".
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That's because you probably can't even name 50 fighters. Like I said I'm a fan of the sport first and foremost. Groupie? I'm not the one with Floyd sigs, Floyd's girlfriend sigs and TMT hats!
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I don't think you understand the term groupie. You are a Floyd groupie man. Like I said, pics of him, his girlfriend, TMT hats...groupie.
I'm a fan of the sport. I watch pretty much all the fights I can from bums to the stars and everything in-between. I watch amateur fights and semi pro league fights as well. I don't simply follow a couple fighters.
I'm a fan of the sport. I watch pretty much all the fights I can from bums to the stars and everything in-between. I watch amateur fights and semi pro league fights as well. I don't simply follow a couple fighters.