Manny Pacquiao has TOTALLY DISAPPOINTED ME
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The PROBLEM...is Bob Arum.
"We don't need Mayweather"
"The fight is off...we are looking in another direction."
"Mayweather is kinda like Hitler with his demands."
"We need to build an outside stadium."
"I'm not sure if Mayweather is even licensed."
"We're looking to take over the May 5th date since Mayweather will be incarcerated."
"Manny's cut won't heal."
"Manny is superstitious"
"Manny is scared of needles"
In the end I'm glad this Cold War has come to an end but I don't believe Bob Arum will match Pacquiao up with anyone accept: Rasalan, Alvarado, Mikey Garcia, Marquez or Bradley. The longer he waits the more deteriorated Pac's skills will become and he will get destroyed by Thurman, Porter, Khan, Matthysse, Garcia, Maidana, Broner or Mayweather.
"We don't need Mayweather"
"The fight is off...we are looking in another direction."
"Mayweather is kinda like Hitler with his demands."
"We need to build an outside stadium."
"I'm not sure if Mayweather is even licensed."
"We're looking to take over the May 5th date since Mayweather will be incarcerated."
"Manny's cut won't heal."
"Manny is superstitious"
"Manny is scared of needles"
In the end I'm glad this Cold War has come to an end but I don't believe Bob Arum will match Pacquiao up with anyone accept: Rasalan, Alvarado, Mikey Garcia, Marquez or Bradley. The longer he waits the more deteriorated Pac's skills will become and he will get destroyed by Thurman, Porter, Khan, Matthysse, Garcia, Maidana, Broner or Mayweather.
If you're only talking specifically about Mayweather vs Pacquiao then yes Bob Arum has been a problem, and so has Richard Schaefer and Mayweather. Floyd's demands (Pacquiao HAS to leave Top Rank, Pacquiao HAS to sign with TMT) are equally as problematic. I've never seen a fighter in history demand a possible opponent leave their promoter in ordee to fight them, never. Imagine Sugar Ray Leonard or Duran pulling some shit like that.
What I'm talking about, and what I thought this thread is about, is Pacquiao resigning with Top Rank. Do you know what the numbers are? Do you know what incentives and guarantees Pacquiao will be getting?Do you know what Pacquiao was offered from other promoters? Because like I said, until we know the specifics of the contract, it's not really possible for us to say it was a good move or a bad move. If Top Rank offered him astronomical amounts of cash, why wouldn't he resign? Thats what it comes down to. What's in Pacquiao's best interests and what's important to him. Maybe a long term deal with extremely high guarantees is more important to him than fighting on a fight-to-fight contract. It's all a numbers game and none of us know what those numbers are yet.
What I'm talking about, and what I thought this thread is about, is Pacquiao resigning with Top Rank. Do you know what the numbers are? Do you know what incentives and guarantees Pacquiao will be getting?Do you know what Pacquiao was offered from other promoters? Because like I said, until we know the specifics of the contract, it's not really possible for us to say it was a good move or a bad move. If Top Rank offered him astronomical amounts of cash, why wouldn't he resign? Thats what it comes down to. What's in Pacquiao's best interests and what's important to him. Maybe a long term deal with extremely high guarantees is more important to him than fighting on a fight-to-fight contract. It's all a numbers game and none of us know what those numbers are yet.
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He still said he HAS to leave TR and sign to TMT, don't matter when he said it since that's what he's saying now in the present time.
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both them fools had excuses, floyd and manny. TBH I think both were perfectly happy fighting for gazillion dollars against other dudes.
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This has been said ever since the retiring of Jack Dempsey. All the people that said it at the time have long passed and boxing remains.
"Take solace. Some day, many many years in the future, when all the kid games have faded into lore, people will still fight with their fists for money." - Kid McCoy
"Take solace. Some day, many many years in the future, when all the kid games have faded into lore, people will still fight with their fists for money." - Kid McCoy
Czar said everything in response to this post...Pacquiao has in NO WAY shape or form shown that he wanted the fight earlier on...or now. He wants to fight Floyd for FREE but doesn't want $40 million...he wants to give the fans the Floyd fight but immediately resigns with Top Rank...Manny has NEVER REACHED OUT TO FLOYD...NEVER...what's wrong with taking matters into your own hands...SHANE LEFT GOLDEN BOY TO FIGHT PACQUIAO UNDER TOP RANK...COTTO GOT IT DONE...WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH MANNY? Like I said I'm very disappointed with Manny Pacquiao to the point it's becoming a respect issue (and personally I like the dude he does cool shit...he's fucking Ashanti).
Manny fought lots of Golden Boy fighters before the cold war - Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Marquez. Then there was a problem. Fast forward to now and Arum and Oscar are friends, so what's the problem? Promotional wars aren't an excuse. What's Floyd gonna say when Pacquiao fights guys like Amir Khan?
Again though, you didn't address anything I said. What are the numbers? How much guarantee millions of dollars is Pacquiao going to get? Can't criticize a deal without knowing the figures.
Again though, you didn't address anything I said. What are the numbers? How much guarantee millions of dollars is Pacquiao going to get? Can't criticize a deal without knowing the figures.
Maybe you aren't on my page along with me..."then there was a problem" so your gonna just wash over ALL THE STUFF inside that moment in time...hit the FAST FORWARD BUTTON to ask why IF Manny fights Amir Khan what is Floyd's problem LOL!!! How does that go back to Floyd when he was the ONLY one of the two who made an effort for the fight...Manny NEVER DID SHIT...and STILL ISNT DOING SHIT...accept waiting by the phone for a second call. The question now is if Manny can fight Amir Khan...why couldn't he fight Floyd, he could RBT for Rios but not Floyd...he can fight for FREE but not $40 million.
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Really so you gonna act like the whole "I'm on a vacation" didn't happen? Self preservation? Floyd's "$40m" offer was not real and we've been over that (,legally that couldn't fly since it would have cut out Top Rank and Golden Boy solely would have promoted the fight, i.e couldn't happen).
I can't deal with people anymore that can't accept BOTH fighters have been at fault here.
Why can't Pacquiao fight Floyd? What is the problem? The only problem would be Floyd and/or Pacquiao. If these two guys want to fight they can. HBO or Showtime? Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson. Where there is a will there is a way.
Floyd said he is happy not fighting Pacquiao. Health comes first remember? Costas said Floyd has to fight Pacquiao, to see who is the best, to give the fans what they want and to pump up the sport with a much-needed big, exciting, Super Bowl event: “I come first. Self preservation. I gotta worry about my family. If the fight don’t happen, so be it. Without Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather is okay. Floyd Mayweather fights for Floyd Mayweather. At the end of the day, Floyd Mayweather has to be happy and comfortable…Look at the Ali situation. Fans pushed him to get into fights at the end of his career that he didn’t want to get in…If Ali could trade it all in for his health, he would. I am in the game to win, not just inside the ring, but outside the ring,” stated Mayweather. “My health is more important than anything.”
I can't deal with people anymore that can't accept BOTH fighters have been at fault here.
Why can't Pacquiao fight Floyd? What is the problem? The only problem would be Floyd and/or Pacquiao. If these two guys want to fight they can. HBO or Showtime? Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson. Where there is a will there is a way.
Floyd said he is happy not fighting Pacquiao. Health comes first remember? Costas said Floyd has to fight Pacquiao, to see who is the best, to give the fans what they want and to pump up the sport with a much-needed big, exciting, Super Bowl event: “I come first. Self preservation. I gotta worry about my family. If the fight don’t happen, so be it. Without Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather is okay. Floyd Mayweather fights for Floyd Mayweather. At the end of the day, Floyd Mayweather has to be happy and comfortable…Look at the Ali situation. Fans pushed him to get into fights at the end of his career that he didn’t want to get in…If Ali could trade it all in for his health, he would. I am in the game to win, not just inside the ring, but outside the ring,” stated Mayweather. “My health is more important than anything.”
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That WHOLE NARRATIVE was about Manny NOT taking the RBT...correct me if I'm wrong...so Floyd said he wasn't fighting dude unless he took the test HEALTH COMES FIRST...EVEN PLAYING FIELD...and NOW since Manny got KO'd by Marquez...GUESS WHAT...HEALTH COMES FIRST...that's why they want RBT for the 5th fight...you can run around in circles all you want but Arum and Pacquaio are clearly 100% at fault.
Freddy Roach comes out with the "Mystery Shake" confession regarding Alex Ariza's activity with his fighter and you think Floyd was wrong about putting the guy through RBT? Manny Pacquaio is 100% at fault for the fight not happening just like he was 100% at fault for his taxes becoming an issue...he backed away from two attempts...he had a chance to make a one fight deal and has resigned TWICE without reaching out.
Pac should have agreed to the full testing the first time, instead of asking for the two week cut off or whatever. This is widely agreed upon now. But that was 2009. It's 2014 now. There were numerous opportunities for both guys to fight after Pacquiao accepted extra testing. Again, I can't deal with people who say it's 100% one guys fault and 0% the other. Both these guys, and their promoters and managers, fucked things up. LOL at thinking Floyd did everything in his power. Just look at his comments that I posted, the sudden vacation when Pacquiao wanted to negotiate, etc. Everyone involved messed this up.
But this is debating history. What matters is the now. So if Pacquiao resigned with Top Rank and Golden Boy and them work together again, what's so disappointing? If they want to fight they can do it.
But this is debating history. What matters is the now. So if Pacquiao resigned with Top Rank and Golden Boy and them work together again, what's so disappointing? If they want to fight they can do it.
True that opens up Pacquaio to more exciting fights. I agree with that...I really hope it happens because if it falls through and it seems Arum is waffling then it's back to business as usual...ARUM BASHING.
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Both fighters have been at fault but it ain't 50/50. I fault Floyd on twice saying "Pacquaio you're next" and for trying to rape him on the PPV side when their numbers were pretty much even and they were the number 1 and 2 fighters in the world.
But Pac's (and Arum's) list of fuck ups? Boy! Do we even need to list all the funny shit they pulled?
But Pac's (and Arum's) list of fuck ups? Boy! Do we even need to list all the funny shit they pulled?