Manny Pacquiao Agrees To Blood Testing, Taunts Mayweather

[2-0-Sixx]

yeah both guys need eachother.

Mayweather can fight Martinez at 160 for a MW belt the only problem there is no one knows who the hell Martinez is.

Pacquiao can fight Margarito and will do around the same PPV numbers as Floyd/Martinez being that Margarito is a known name and still has a following.

Bottom line is neither of those fights come close to what a fight against eachother would do.

And what's left? What other names in boxing are there for them to fight? Floyd could fight Paul Williams I suppose, where Pac could stick around 140 and fight someone there (bradley, alexander, khan). Again, smaller names.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

Mayweather didn't need Pacquiao to begin with. He's a first blallot Hall of Famer regardless if he fights Pacquiao or not. Floyd already proved he could get other dance partners and still make lots of money and have success with PPV numbers minus Pacquiao, so he doesn't need Pacquiao if a worse case scenario happens and they don't fight. Ouside of Mayweather, what other fight will generate much interest for your casual fan? Manny has alot of casual boxing fans, and they only want to see Manny and Floyd meet. And until you hear Floyd speak on whatever demands he's asking for, it's all speculation, and more fuel to the already lit flame, to keep the fans talking about this fight. The more talk, good or bad will lead to more money and probably the biggest PPV in history, so don't read into the nonsense until you hear from Floyd, Al Hayman, Ellerbe or Schaefer.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

@2-0-Sixx... I don't know if you have noticed, but Martinez is gaining alot of popularity based on his last two opponents (Williams & Pavlik) so more people know about Martinez than you are giving him credit.

Margarito still has a dark cloud over his head and once they announce that fight if it happens, all the negativity and backlash from people who want to see Margarito banned from boxing will definitely hurt the promotion of that fight so I doubt it will do the same numbers that a Mayweather/Martinez fight will do.

And you're right, for the boxing purest, there are plenty of fights out there for both fighters, that's wasn't my point. My point is based on the popularity of both fighters, who is going to be the bigger draw if they do not meet each other. They clearly don't need each other. They both will survive financially and otherwise if this fight never happens. The difference is Mayweather fans will not lose sleep if the fight never takes place, and Manny fans will call for bloody murder as the true test in this fight is not if Mayweather will win, but can Manny pull the upset. Manny fans need this fight more than Manny does. Manny aint losing no sleep. He's doin movies, running for congress etc.

I honestly would love to see a Pacquiao vs. Bradley fight. Khan is too tall and rangy for Pac Man and Devin Alexander may be too fast and slick for him. All three of those might be bad fights for Manny as these younger fighters are hungry and would be looking to not just beat Manny, but destroy him, similar to the same way he would like to destroy Mayweather.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Mayweather didn't need Pacquiao to begin with. He's a first blallot Hall of Famer regardless if he fights Pacquiao or not.

So is Pacquiao...

Floyd already proved he could get other dance partners and still make lots of money and have success with PPV numbers minus Pacquiao, so he doesn't need Pacquiao if a worse case scenario happens and they don't fight.

Right, both guys can have good PPV fights, like 1 million or around there, but again like I said, nothing like what they could get fighting eachother (which is estimated to break the 2.4 million record).

there are no more shane mosley's, no more oscar's, etc for these guys to fight.

@2-0-Sixx... I don't know if you have noticed, but Martinez is gaining alot of popularity based on his last two opponents (Williams & Pavlik) so more people know about Martinez than you are giving him credit.

He's not that popular man, even with those wins. He's no more popular than a Paul Williams and P-Will doesn't have a fanbase.

Margarito still has a dark cloud over his head and once they announce that fight if it happens, all the negativity and backlash from people who want to see Margarito banned from boxing will definitely hurt the promotion of that fight so I doubt it will do the same numbers that a Mayweather/Martinez fight will do.

Well I don't disagree about the dark cloud and some bad press, but I think you may fail to understand how many fans Margarito still has. He still has a good chunk of that loyal Mexican fanbase that buys PPV's.

And you're right, for the boxing purest, there are plenty of fights out there for both fighters, that's wasn't my point. My point is based on the popularity of both fighters, who is going to be the bigger draw if they do not meet each other. They clearly don't need each other. They both will survive financially and otherwise if this fight never happens.

Of course if you want to be literal about it they obviously can continue fighting without facing eachother.

My point was they cannot make anywhere near as much as they could fighting eachother. Not even close.

The difference is Mayweather fans will not lose sleep if the fight never takes place, and Manny fans will call for bloody murder as the true test in this fight is not if Mayweather will win, but can Manny pull the upset. Manny fans need this fight more than Manny does. Manny aint losing no sleep. He's doin movies, running for congress etc.

Different ways of looking at it. Some people look at it as Floyd ducking Pac, others the other way around. In the end it looks bad for both of them.

I honestly would love to see a Pacquiao vs. Bradley fight. Khan is too tall and rangy for Pac Man and Devin Alexander may be too fast and slick for him. All three of those might be bad fights for Manny as these younger fighters are hungry and would be looking to not just beat Manny, but destroy him, similar to the same way he would like to destroy Mayweather.

You honestly think Khan is too tall and rangy for pac?? Pacquiao would destroy Khan in four rounds, tops. I'm a fan of Khan, I like it, he's improved since getting crushed by Prescott in 20 seconds, and his chin has improved, but a chin can never be "fixed." Pac would kill him.

Bradley is overrated and doesn't have the power to hurt Pac. I like Bradley, but at this point I don't think he could beat Alexander or Khan.

As for Alexander, he would be a tough fight, lacks the experience though. We don't know what he looks like on a big stage yet (remember Andre Dirrell vs Froch? How Direll COULD HAVE mopped the floor with Froch easily if he wanted to but lacked the experience and made it a closer/harder fight then he should have? That was lack of experience - never fighting on the big stage before). Alexander is my personal favorite at 140 but he needs to prove himself against an elite fighter. Beating Witter and Urango were great wins, but not big fights by a long stretch.

If Pac-Floyd doesn't happen though, I would like to see Pac clean house at 140 because that is his natural weight class.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

The one thing about all of the said fighters is lack of experience on the big stage. None of them have the track record of a Manny, but these are really young fighters and you wouldn't expect them to. But I disagree with you on Bradley. He may not be able to knock Manny out, but he definitely has the speed and boxing ability to give Manny fits. He definitely has heart, being that he has been floored before and hurt in multiple fights, and got up to win those fights.

Khan is too long for Pacquiao. I didn't see the loss to Presscott, but I saw Khan against Malinaagi (Not the greatest fight), but it showed me that if he uses his height and jab, he will be able to take Manny the distance, if he can keep Manny on the outside of that jab.

Alexander lacks the spotlight fight, but still would make Manny look really bad, because he is a defensive style fighter with speed and power. Alexander will mix it up with Manny too.

I've been calling for Manny to go back down to 140 where he belongs. Outside of Mayweather, what does he have to prove at Welterweight? There are way too many fights at 140 that are good, but dangerous fights for Manny if he chooses to take them. I honestly think he'll retire before fighting anybody at 140. It's too much risk to fight these new young guns down there. And there is no "money" in it, which is the reason he went up in the first place. The risk verses reward doesn't add up so I think he'll retire after Mayweather or 2 fights after if that.

So minus the money aspect, is Manny scared to fight the top dogs at 140? I don't think so, but logically his only excuse is there would be no money to fight these guys. What other reason would he have to not go back down and become the undisputed champ?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Khan is too long for Pacquiao. I didn't see the loss to Presscott, but I saw Khan against Malinaagi (Not the greatest fight), but it showed me that if he uses his height and jab, he will be able to take Manny the distance, if he can keep Manny on the outside of that jab.

Watch this 1 minute video and tell me again Khan beats Pacquiao:

 

[2-0-Sixx]

The one thing about all of the said fighters is lack of experience on the big stage. None of them have the track record of a Manny, but these are really young fighters and you wouldn't expect them to. But I disagree with you on Bradley. He may not be able to knock Manny out, but he definitely has the speed and boxing ability to give Manny fits. He definitely has heart, being that he has been floored before and hurt in multiple fights, and got up to win those fights.

Bradley is a good fighter, he has all the skills you say he does so I see him going the distance against Pacquiao maybe, but he has never fought anyone on the level of a Pac and he's been floored by much less opponents. Granted he got back up, but I couldn't imagine a full shot from Pac at 140 would do to his chin.

Alexander lacks the spotlight fight, but still would make Manny look really bad, because he is a defensive style fighter with speed and power. Alexander will mix it up with Manny too.

Alexander would make anyone look bad, doesn't mean he would win. He's much too green for me to pick over pacquiao or any elite fighter.

I've been calling for Manny to go back down to 140 where he belongs. Outside of Mayweather, what does he have to prove at Welterweight? There are way too many fights at 140 that are good, but dangerous fights for Manny if he chooses to take them. I honestly think he'll retire before fighting anybody at 140. It's too much risk to fight these new young guns down there. And there is no "money" in it, which is the reason he went up in the first place. The risk verses reward doesn't add up so I think he'll retire after Mayweather or 2 fights after if that.

The thing is with Pacquiao is he's proved all there is to prove, other than fighting Floyd. He's a politician now, he said he's going to retire, he doesn't owe boxing anything to clean out 140. I would love to see it, you would love to see it, but he doesn't need to. He's a hall of famer and an all time great as it is. At this point, Pac, just like Floyd, are after big money/legacy fights. Neither one of them need to "clean house" at this point in their careers (being that they are 1-3 fights away from retirement).

So minus the money aspect, is Manny scared to fight the top dogs at 140? I don't think so, but logically his only excuse is there would be no money to fight these guys. What other reason would he have to not go back down and become the undisputed champ?

Why didn't floyd become the undisputed champ at welterweight or any weight class he's ever been in? Should floyd fight Andre Berto, Dejan Zavec and Vyacheslav Senchenko?

See above for the answers.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

Berto would get killed, and never heard of the other two you mentioned (I'll look them up though). Why ruin Berto's future. He don't want that fight. He's better off getting some more experience and taking a shot at ruling the welterweight division once Floyd moves on. If Floyd entertains that Martinez fight then all those fights you just mentioned, including a fight with Pacquiao get eclipsed by the thought of him fighting a dangerous Light Middleweight who is very ring saavy.

On that Amir fight: He got caught with a shot by a tall, rangy fighter. I'm sure you've seen alot of champions get their clocked cleaned at least once in their career, maybe not 1 minute into a fight though. Problem with Amir is he is all offense and no real defense. I never saw him fight before last weekend so I'm not sold on him at all, but I will say that his height and reach will give Mann problem. Anybody 5'10 and up will. I would like to see Amir fight Bradley, or Alexander, if he can't beat them, then he doesn't belong in the conversation. I think he'll pick a part Maidana though. Plus I'm sure he's learned from that loss.

 

[Tony]

Mayweather eyes bigger purse than Pacman
By Abac Cordero (The Philippine Star) Updated May 26, 2010 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Floyd Mayweather Jr. is using the pay-per-view sales of his recent fight against Shane Mosley as leverage as he seeks a bigger share of the purse against Manny Pacquiao.

Team Pacquiao said yesterday that there were reports the undefeated American has demanded a bigger share of the purse for the showdown being planned for Nov. 13.

“We just got word that it seems to be that way,” said Pacquiao’s lawyer, Franklin Gacal, yesterday, just hours after Pacquiao was discharged from the hospital after a second bout with acid reflux.

“But we will never agree to that,” said Gacal, who added that Mayweather now believes he deserves a bigger share than Pacquiao based on the pay-per-view sales of their most recent fights.

Mayweather and Mosley sold 1.4 million PPV hits last May 1 while Pacquiao did around 700,000 in his fight with Joshua Clottey last March.

However, Gacal said the fight with Clottey should not be used as a gauge of Pacquiao’s drawing power, but the one he had against Miguel Cotto late last year, a 12-round contest that sold 1.25 million hits.

“It’s the Cotto fight they should look at and not the Clottey fight. And it’s pretty even, so we’re sticking to the fifty-fifty percent split between Manny and Floyd if they ever fight,” said Gacal.

The lawyer did not confirm if it was Bob Arum, in the US quietly trying to make the superfight happen, who told them that Mayweather is now demanding for a bigger purse.

But Pacquiao’s business manager, Eric Pineda, said word indeed reached the Pacquiao camp yesterday that Mayweather now wants a bigger share of the purse. In case of a 50-50 sharing, the two fighters can earn around $40 million each.

“Yes, we were told that Floyd now wants a bigger share. And if that’s the case, we now feel that he really doesn’t want to fight Manny because Floyd knows we will never agree on that,” said Pineda.

Apparently, Pacquiao was not happy with the news because it could mean that the fight will never take place.

Pacquiao said a few days ago he was giving in to Mayweather’s demand to have blood tests taken 14 days before the fight, or even closer than that as long as it’s not on the day of the fight itself.

But Pacquiao’s willingness to do more blood tests were met by reports that Mayweather, as of February, had renewed his demand. From 14 days, he said he wants it done “all the way to the fight.”

Meanwhile, even while he was confined at the Cardinal Santos Hospital due to acid reflux, Pacquiao, who was elected Congressman of Sarangani during the May 10 elections, always had his constituents in mind.

“The last thing I wanted was for me to fall sick because I have things to do for my constituents,” said Pacquiao, who was discharged from the hospital yesterday morning after a thorough check-up yielded negative results.

He assured everyone he’s up and about, and as of presstime he was at the GMA-7 headquarters taping episodes for his sitcoms.

“Everything is okay. To my constituents in Sarangani don’t worry, we will do everything to serve you well,” he said.

He also said he had sent medical facilities to Sarangani because medical assistance is badly needed in the area. – With Rose Tamayo-Tesoro

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Berto would get killed, and never heard of the other two you mentioned (I'll look them up though). Why ruin Berto's future. He don't want that fight. He's better off getting some more experience and taking a shot at ruling the welterweight division once Floyd moves on.

You missed the point entirely.

On that Amir fight: He got caught with a shot by a tall, rangy fighter. I'm sure you've seen alot of champions get their clocked cleaned at least once in their career, maybe not 1 minute into a fight though.

Yeah, the problem with that (someone getting caught once) is Amir get dropped about 3-5 times prior to that fight by journeymen, smaller guys and straight up bums. He was hurt badly in a number of fights prior to Prescott. It wasn't about range or height, it was about his chin.

Khan has excellent skills and when matched correctly, he shines. He will continue to improve as he's only 23, but there is no question he's going to get KTFO again sooner or later.

Again, Pacquiao would destroy Khan within several rounds. Khan is tall and rangy, but he's very hittable (even against Paulie he was getting tagged a good number of times, proof by his swollen eyes). He's not the type of fighter to keep you off of him for 12 entire rounds, he doesn't have the defense for it. The jab will only work so long. Pacquiao would catch him and it would be lights out.

Problem with Amir is he is all offense and no real defense. I never saw him fight before last weekend so I'm not sold on him at all, but I will say that his height and reach will give Mann problem. Anybody 5'10 and up will. I would like to see Amir fight Bradley, or Alexander, if he can't beat them, then he doesn't belong in the conversation. I think he'll pick a part Maidana though. Plus I'm sure he's learned from that loss.

Certainly Amir has learned and improved since moving up from 135 to 140 and of course Freddie Roach. Sparring with the best fighter in the wolrd in Manny Pacquiao on the regular (see video below) will obviously improve your game and I believe ones chin improves when you spar against bigger, stronger guys. But again, a chin can never be truly fixed. And that will always be his one weakness. If the kid had a bernard hopkins chin he would have a chance at being one of the all time greats.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

I didn't miss the point, I gave my opinion on what a waste of a fight that would be. Obviously Khan has chin issues as many fighters have. We both know that when offense is met with offense, the one with the better chin will win hands down, and Khan is the one with the suspect chin. It's all conversation to me as we both know that fight will never take place in the 1st place, being that they have the same trainer. Roach knows all too well that Khan would lose that fight. That is the same reason he won't be fighting Maidana, Bradley or Alexander anytime soon.

That video did prove my point though, if he fights tall, and his hands are active, he would possibly beat Pacquiao with more experience. It's only because he commits his body and head by hunching when he throws punches (Just like Paul Williams) that MAnny can catch him cleanly. Looks like he was hangin with Manny in that sparring match (Of course i know that's not what a real fight would like).

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I didn't miss the point, I gave my opinion on what a waste of a fight that would be. Obviously Khan has chin issues as many fighters have. We both know that when offense is met with offense, the one with the better chin will win hands down, and Khan is the one with the suspect chin. It's all conversation to me as we both know that fight will never take place in the 1st place, being that they have the same trainer. Roach knows all too well that Khan would lose that fight. That is the same reason he won't be fighting Maidana, Bradley or Alexander anytime soon.

That video did prove my point though, if he fights tall, and his hands are active, he would possibly beat Pacquiao with more experience. It's only because he commits his body and head by hunching when he throws punches (Just like Paul Williams) that MAnny can catch him cleanly. Looks like he was hangin with Manny in that sparring match (Of course i know that's not what a real fight would like).

Wow man. That video shows how easy it was for Pac to hit Khan. Height wasn't an issue. Remove the headgear and Khan goes down from those uppercuts he ate and hooks. I think mayweather vs khan would be more competitive than Pac vs Khan.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I vote Margarito.
I hope he turns it down so mainstream fans can see what all the true fans have been saying for the last decade.

 

[MR. CLEEN]

Looked alot like they were both gettin hit to me. The difference is Khan is the greener fighter and Pacquiao is the more experienced fighter. You might want to look again. The difference was Pacquiao was trying to cover up but Khan gave as good as he recieved. If Khan's chin is that suspect, then again, that fight will never happen. A Khan vs. Mayweather fight would definitely not last long. Floyd would counter Khan to death, and would not get hit nearly as much as Pac did in that sparring match.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

ok I question your knowledge of these three fighters.

Pacquiao punches a lot harder than floyd, this is known. All it could take is one or two solid shots from Pac and Khan is done.

Floyd doesn't fight that way, he's a counter puncher. Khan, with his hand speed, his arm length and just his style alone would be a more competitive fight against Floyd then Pac.

It's why ricky hatton was killed in two rounds by Pac but lasted 10 rounds against Floyd. It's not saying one guy is better than the other, but styles make fights (and so do chins!). Just like Duran went 15 rounds against Hagler, but got KO'd in 2 rounds by Tommy Hearns. Comprende?

 

[MR. CLEEN]

Instead of questioning my knowledge, you should look in the mirror, and realize you might be the one with the flawed way of thinking. You must not realize styles makes fights. It's good though, Don't tell me I may have given you more credit than you deserved. i'd hate to think that. Hatton got broke down by Floyd like Floyd does most his opponents, and Hatton was undefeated at the time. You mean to tell me you fault Floyd for taking his time against a dangerous undefeated opponent? How often do you see Floyd deflect from his game plan? It's not about how fast he wins a fight, it's more about sticking to the game plan for him unless an opponent clearly shows a weakness in the ring.

In a totally different set of circumstances, Pacquiao was able to exploit Ricky for reasons altogether different than Mayweather. You can agree Ricky was way too overconfident and got knocked out in the process of trying to bully what he thought to be the smaller and dumber fighter at the time. He walked into bombs only because he never saw the punches coming. Had he not underestimated Manny, the fight would have went differently.

It's not always about power or how much you bully your opponent or how short the fight may end up lol. Comparing fights is like oranges to apples, especially since none of the fighters you named have the exact same attributes. Only a fool would believe because one fighter beat a fighter one way, that anybody else should be able to duplicate that. Khan would get picked a part like a Thanksgiving turkey if he ever fought Mayweather. Maybe you don't see that, but in the end , you probably never will since they will never see each other in the ring anyway.

 

[Irishmutt]

I WILL BE SURPRISED IF THIS FIGHT GOES THRU

 

[MOREBASS]

Cleen, you totally disregard the fact that Hatton is and was garbage at 147, and had more than he could chew with Collazo. That alone was enough for most people to know, that 140 was probably as high as he should go, if he wanted to be effective.

You're putting way too much on the Floyd win, the fight was at 147, where Floyd was arguably the best fighter, and Hatton lost, IMO to probably the 13th or 14th best fighter.

He didn't go down to 140 where Hatton was a PROVEN force. He made him come up where he was already exposed as ineffective.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Instead of questioning my knowledge, you should look in the mirror

Sorry man I'm the one that has Amir Khan's career set on DVD and watched all of his fights. You've seen one of his. This is the main reason I question your reasoning here - you're picking Khan be too tall and rangy for Pacquiao to handle, when anyone who's followed Khan's career would agree with me 100% his main fault is his chin. He has a weak chin.This is common knowledge. This is why Paulie was his opponent and not Carlos Maidina. Even HBO repeated this over and over throughout the broadcast.

realize you might be the one with the flawed way of thinking. You must not realize styles makes fights.

Interesting how I mentioned "styles make fights" in my very last post!

It's good though, Don't tell me I may have given you more credit than you deserved. i'd hate to think that. Hatton got broke down by Floyd like Floyd does most his opponents, and Hatton was undefeated at the time. You mean to tell me you fault Floyd for taking his time against a dangerous undefeated opponent?

Where did I fault Hatton? lol you cannot even follow simple replies. Use the quote feature maybe that will help you.

I said because of styles, Floyd beat Ricky in 10 rounds, Pac beat him in two rounds. I specifically said this isn't to say one is better than the other, it's just about styles.

How often do you see Floyd deflect from his game plan? It's not about ow fast he wins a fight, it's more about sticking to the game plan for him unless an opponent clearly shows a weakness in the ring.

Again, you completely misunderstood what I was talking about.

In a totally different set of circumstances, Pacquiao was able to exploit Ricky for reasons altogether different than Mayweather. You can agree Ricky was way too overconfident and got knocked out in the process of trying to bully what he thought to be the smaller and dumber fighter at the time. He walked into bombs only because he never saw the punches coming. Had he not underestimated Manny, the fight would have went differently.

Again, you completely misunderstood what I was talking about.

And to point out Ricky was bullish and aggressive against floyd, even wobbling floyd when he caught floyd off balance in the first or second round. Ricky won like 3-4 rounds in the beggening.

Once again, this has nothing with who is the better fighter but styles make fights, which was my point. (we were discussing Floyd vs Khan and Pac vs Khan). My point was Khan vs Floyd would be more competitive that Khan vs Pac. Pac would KO Khan within sevral rounds, whereas Floyd would likely go into deep rounds against Khan.

It's not always about power or how much you bully your opponent or how short the fight may end up lol. Comparing fights is like oranges to apples, especially since none of the fighters you named have the exact same attributes. Only a fool would believe because one fighter beat a fighter one way, that anybody else should be able to duplicate that. Khan would get picked a part like a Thanksgiving turkey if he ever fought Mayweather. Maybe you don't see that, but in the end , you probably never will since they will never see each other in the ring anyway.

Again, you completely misunderstood what I was talking about.

Khan would get picked apart by Floyd and would lose.
Pac would KO Khan within 3-4 rounds. You don't see that.

They both beat khan, each his own way. One being more competitive than the other.

 

[CHAPO GUZMAN]

^^ Agreed 100% Styles Make Fights