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How could the research of the CFR and TLC be any more precise, exact, or more credible than the research other people do that concludes them to think America is on the right track invading Iraq. In other words, you have done your research, I have done mine, we came up with different answers, yet you are a free thinkiner, and I am a blind man with no direction. Everything we read in our history books, newspapers, television sets, and radio broadcasts is all a form of opinionated propaganda they we have the ability to accept as a truth, or rejects as a lie. Just because you oppose the majority, or oppose the government doesn't make you a free thinker. I believe that any man wanting to stand against his country, and in doing to seeks information and sources to satisfy his cravings of dislike, would only make him a follower and not a free thinker at all.

So what if the fed is privately owned, if it isn't broke, don't fix it.
 

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"How could the research of the CFR and TLC be any more precise, exact, or more credible than the research other people do that concludes them to think America is on the right track invading Iraq.

Where is the info and research coming from? If you are reading info that states "iraq is wrong blah blah blah"

I GURANTEE that the majority of it is coming from CFR/TLC owned media outlets. These groups HAVE an AGENDA and act OPENLY in regards to this agenda. People with an AGENDA are telling you saddam, bin laden, 9-11,terrosism, 911, terrorism, talbin,iraq, 911, taliban, NINE ELEVEN, Osama and saadam, nukes, terrorism,weapons of mass destruction, AL queda, iraq, wmd,saddam, bin laden, hi jackings. Over and over the same things are REPEATED like a broken record. You don't question it you simply agree with it because YOU ( I'm not talking about you personally) have been indoctrinated and you live in FEAR.

"In other words, you have done your research, I have done mine, we came up with different answers, yet you are a free thinkiner, and I am a blind man with no direction."

NO not at all. A person can have all the info in the world that doesn't mean they will accept it as truth. I would say you're a free thinker IF you took the time to research and look into outside sources. Because you have a different view/spin on things doesnt make you blind. What makes you blind is your ability (or lack of ability) to get out, read, ponder and come to the final conclusion. I don't see that with the majority of americans. What I see are people who believe everything on c-span, yahoo and cnn. They don't question because of FEAR. They are content and happy with the version they are given.

"Everything we read in our history books, newspapers, television sets, and radio broadcasts is all a form of opinionated propaganda they we have the ability to accept as a truth, or rejects as a lie."

Thats not true. WHY? FACTS CANT BE DISPUTED. WHATS ETECHED IN STONE AND DOCUMENTED( verified etc etc etc) CAN'T BE DISPUTED. EXAMPLE: The media (people with agendas) will tell you saddam is an evil man for gassing the kurds. Thats the opinion the media wants everyone to believe. The facts are people were killed. Was it saddam? Thats up for debate. Most pro americans are NOT looking for truth but look for comfort. If it questions their beliefs or everday living it gets ridiculed and tossed out the window. The majority of what you read (you being americans) is opinionated/bias. Yes "THEY" play BOTH fields and have no problem doing so. Don't think so? Why did one member of the elite international bankers fund clinton while another member (of the same family) fund bush sr?

"Just because you oppose the majority, or oppose the government doesn't make you a free thinker. "

I never said it did nor did I imply that. If thats what you come to believe you are a lunatic/fool. The kkk oppose the majority and government yet the majority of its members form opinions based on NOTHING...not EXPERIENCE/interaction.

"I believe that any man wanting to stand against his country, and in doing to seeks information and sources to satisfy his cravings of dislike, would only make him a follower and not a free thinker at all."

The only people I have witnessed doing what you mentioned are PRO WAR advocates. Personally YOU don't know WHY ***HERESY*** sought info about the government. You dont know WHY heresy has a dislike for the government. MANY people (it's happened on this site before) have come to dislike this government AFTER they researched and found damaging info.

Follower of whom? ME? 2-0-6? NEF? TENK? EDJ? NOSTRIL KING? No two people on this site (or in the world) agree 100%. I have stuck to my guns and have repeated the same thing for a couple of years now.

READ
RESEARCH
APPLY THE RESEARCH
FORM YOUR OWN ASSESSMENT BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE READ/RESEARCHED.

Thats the problem...the MAJORITY of pro war advocates DON'T do it.

"So what if the fed is privately owned, if it isn't broke, don't fix it."

That statement alone PROVES you know NOTHING about the fed reserve, who owns it, how it operates and how money/currency flows through america. A thread exists called BLIND NUMBERS. use your search engine, find it, read it, come back when you have.

:)

@ tadou

"In the process of watching hundreds (possibly thousands) of hours of political TV, speeches, conservative rants, liberal rants, etc. "

Thats your problem. Ever considered books or marches?

"i have never heard CFR and TLC mentioned a single time...and you are talking to someone who speaks Spanish, Arabic and Portuguese, so i dont forget things easily."

I never heard of them until I picked up a book. Why don't you hear about the cfr and tlc on your everyday news? Is it because they aren't important? Thats not the reason.

"could it be it doesn't even MATTER to mainstream Liberals?"

It doesn't matter to the general population. I don't understand how americans (especially the pro war advocates) embrace war and know nothing about foreign policy and how it operates. Right wing, left wing, conservative, liberal, democrat and republican. IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY ARE ALL FUNDED AND CONTROLLED BY INTERNATIONAL BANKERS AND THE GLOBAL ELITE.

No "conspiracy" stuff they are OPEN with their beliefs and HOW they operate.

BED TIME NOW.

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That statement alone PROVES you know NOTHING about the fed reserve, who owns it, how it operates and how money/currency flows through america. A thread exists called BLIND NUMBERS. use your search engine, find it, read it, come back when you have.
I'm going to leave your other replies to rest, you answered my questions respectfully, so I'm not going to go off on any more tangents with you. I do want to point out how quick you are to make cheap assumptions about other people, if you think my statement (about the fed) is wrong or inaccurate, then it would lead me to believe I know far more about the fed than you can possibly imagine. But let's not get into another pissing contest.
 
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HERESY said:
MANY people (it's happened on this site before) have come to dislike this government AFTER they researched and found damaging info.
If you want to believe something bad enough, you will look, find, study, and believe what you want and push aside everything else. I have said this before, you can research the holocaust and find sources saying it didn't happen. I have done my own research and formed my own opinion, it's just different than yours. True research does not equal your research. It is just your opinion that pro war people havent done theirs.

I'll tell you, you need to do more research. But what is that worth?

tadou: I strongly advise you to look it up yourself and find your own material because you are bound come across a string of one sided sources if you ask.
 
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you guys need to get it straight from the source


The Crisis of Democracy - by Crozier, Huntington and Watanuki for the Trilateral Commission
The authors propose that there is too much freedom in contemporary democracies, and that it is necessary to curtail personal freedoms in order to preserve the governability of democracies. In 1980 the choice in the USA presidential elections was of three teams, all of which included at least one member of the Trilateral Commission. I exhibited this book as a political comment, choosing the materials to reflect the metaphor of the text.


have fun finding the book, nitro if you go to state, then u'r lucky.


LOL@non-partisan
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Why would I have to be lucky. It's only money that would stop me.
i dont know what you meant by that, but what i was trying to say is that if you go to state, the library has the book...the book is out of print
 
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nefar559 said:
i dont know what you meant by that, but what i was trying to say is that if you go to state, the library has the book...the book is out of print
Oh, I thought you meant I would be lucky to attend the college. My girlfriend goes to Fresno State. Are you going to school right now?
 
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B2.I'M IN THE 707 (NORTH VALLEJO COLLEGE PARK) AND I'LL SAY ALL OF THIS (AND MORE) TO YOUR FACE. AFTERWARDS I'LL SHOVE MY FOOT DOWN YOUR THROAT AND TAP DANCE ON YOUR SPLEEN. DO ME A FAVOR BOY. SHUT THE HELL UP BECAUSE YOU WONT DO ANYTHING BUT TALK SHIT ON THE NET...YOU SNIVELING BITCHLING.

3. THE DAY ONE OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS GET TOUCHED WILL BE THE DAY ***YOU*** GET TOUCHED. TAKE IT HOW YOU WANT.


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LOL...THIS FOOL WILL NEVER CHANGE...FOR SUCH A "INTELLECTUAL BEING" YOU SURE HANDLE PROBLEMS IN SUCH A IGNORANT WAY...

ME PERSONALLY...I DUNNO IF IM SO HAPPY THAT SADAAM GOT CAUGHT...I SEE ALOT OF UPRISINGS FROM THESE FOOLS COMINGSOON...EXPECIALLY AFTER EXECUTION (WHICH PROBABLY WONT HAPPEN)...THATS NOT VERY GOOD CUS IM KINDA DIRECTLY INVOLVED...AND AS FAR AS THE "PERFECT TIMING" BEFORE RE-ELECTION...IT IS KINDA CONVINIENT THE WAY THAT SHIT WORKED...ME AND A COUPLE OF MY BOYS FROM MY UNIT (AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE ARMY) BEEN TALKIN BOUT THIS AND I AGREE...HE KNEW WHERE HE WUS THE WHOLE TIME...OR MAYBE MOST OF THE TIME...AND HE WAITED FOR THE PERFECT TIMING...IF BEFORE NOVEMBER 2004 BIN LADEN TURNS UP...HOW CONVINIENT...LETS GO VOTE FOR BUSH AGAIN...HAH...
 

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^^^ I DONT THINK YOUR MOTHER WILL CHANGE EITHER. CAN'T TURN A HOE INTO A HOUSEWIFE SO YOUR DAD SHOULD OF STOPPED TRYING YEARS AGO.


YOU QUOTED MY RESPONSE DID YOU READ WHAT I WAS RESPONDING TO?



I HOPE YOU GET SHIPPED TO IRAQ, GET SMOKED, GET SHIPPED BACK TO AMERICA IN A BODY BAG....AND REST IN PISS.


HOWS THAT FOR "INTELLECTUAL"
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Another idiot shit on:dead:
How your nuts feelin' HERESY?

TYPCEE said:
ME PERSONALLY...I DUNNO IF IM SO HAPPY THAT SADAAM GOT CAUGHT...I SEE ALOT OF UPRISINGS FROM THESE FOOLS COMINGSOON...EXPECIALLY AFTER EXECUTION (WHICH PROBABLY WONT HAPPEN)...
Ive been thinking about that a lot lately. No matter how evil Saddam was, or how big of a threat he was to this country, it might have only gotten bigger. One thing I wish we would have done differently was get 100% U.N. approval and more than just a single country backing us up. America should have waited for other super power nations to join. All it takes is a horde of loyal Saddam Fedayeen (they were 40 large) to start it all over. It's funny, when I saw Saddam's picture after he was caught, I almost felt sorry for him. He should be worrying more about what is going to happen after he dies.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:

Ive been thinking about that a lot lately. No matter how evil Saddam was, or how big of a threat he was to this country, it might have only gotten bigger. One thing I wish we would have done differently was get 100% U.N. approval and more than just a single country backing us up. America should have waited for other super power nations to join. All it takes is a horde of loyal Saddam Fedayeen (they were 40 large) to start it all over. It's funny, when I saw Saddam's picture after he was caught, I almost felt sorry for him. He should be worrying more about what is going to happen after he dies.

could it have been because US had a different agenda? After years of playing buddy with him and then keeping him contained, bush had the opportunity to use 9/11 to invade. Those visit to the UN by Powel, they were big lies.
I agree with you on the whole UN thing, but US doesnt want other countries involved in the political reconstruction of iraq.


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It's funny, when I saw Saddam's picture after he was caught, I almost felt sorry for him.
i didn't
 
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nefar559 said:
You're right, what am I thinking, burn him at the steaks! I don't think he should be executed, though. One reason I don't believe in execution is because the person doesn't live to regret what he has done, it's an easy way out. We need to cut off his tounge and throw him in San Quentin (gen. pop.) so no one can hear his cries.
 
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proppa said:
heresy where are you from. just wondering.


hope and pray i dont become president. because anyone with dislike of america would be destroyed. person by person state by state country by country.

france dosent like us then all of france dies. north korea wants war they get it. next morning no one is breathing with in 1,000 miles.
so what is the differance between you and saddam's views?
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
One thing I wish we would have done differently was get 100% U.N. approval
so do i. i wish we also could have.

Nitro the Guru said:
and more than just a single country backing us up.
Well i know that Franace, Russia and Germany were against it. but i wouldnt necessarily say that only 1 country backed us because they were a few pretty stong countries that helped with troops besides Brittian. i mean Italy, Spain, Australia, and Poland all contributed troops.

Nitro the Guru said:
America should have waited for other super power nations to join.
there are no other super-power nations. the closest thing to it is Russia and they had no intention of getting on board
 

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Fuck ANYONE who oppses us striking back at our enemy. You have to let them know there is no fucking with an American citizen. we have let them feel our pain and our suffering that we feel because of thier attacks. we have to let them know that there is no escaping punishment for this type of terror.

ECERYBODY WHO IS LISTENING AND BELIEVEING HERSEY NEEDS TO STOP BECAUSE HE IS JUST FUCKING WITH YOU PEOPLE. C'MON IF THIS GUY IS SERIOUS HE ONLY COMES ON HERE WITH THAT BULL SHIT BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE THE BALLS TO SAY THAT SHIT TO PEOPLE IN THIER FACE BECAUSE HE KNOWS HELL GET WHOPPED ON

I SEE PLENTY OF PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD WITH THERE ANTI-AMERICAN OPINIONS BUT NO ONE GIVES REASONS OR FACTS FOR THIER OPINIONS.

YOU DONT LIKE AMERICA GOIN AFTER TERRORISTS WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST. HAVE WORKED FOR THE GOVERNMWENT BEFOREDO YOU KNOW HOW EVERYTHING WORKS DO YOU DEDICATE YOUR LIFE IN ORDER TO KEEP TEERORISTS FROM TERRORIZING YOU.

BELIEVE ME GET REAL TYPEING ANTI-AMERICVAN SHIT ON A WEBSITE MADE FOR WEST COAST RAP MUSIC WONT GET YOU ANY WHERE. TRY TAKEING THAT TO THE GOVERNMENT WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS AND CONNECTIOND INVOLVING YOUR PROBLEMS WITH AMERICA BECAUSE BELIEVE ME NO ONE ON HERE GIVES A SHIT. THIS IS A WEB SITE FOR WEST COAST RAP. NOT ANTI-AMERICAN OPINIONS.