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Isn't Jesus the most quoted prophet in the qur'an? No other prophet glorified Jesus as much as Prophet Muhammad did, jews called him an impostor and accused his mother of immorality. They tried to crucify him. Prophet Muhammad considered Jesus as great Prophet and the “Word of God". The Qur'an attributed to him miracles that are not even mentioned in the Bible as well.

The quran also states that Jesus will return to earth during judgment day and will rid the world of wrongdoing injustices and all that.

Again, it states Jesus spoke the word of god, was a prophet, and was will be sent from god to save earth.
 
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I hope that it's just a smokescreen for the U.S. & Israel to plan full Shock & Awe on Iran. If it's not then shit is gonna get deep next year with Israel doing it themselves. Things will change a bit in november when the Jews (who are a major voting block) vote Republican in protest to Obama and his policy.
Shock and Awe on Iran lol put the crack pipe down. Iran isn't just another Iraq smart guy, shit don't work that way.
 
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But when are you going to post something that has actually something to do with the topic. (that doesn't only go for this thread but for all where I've seen your name pop up).
Whenever i post anything instead of responding you all make jokes about my age, etc. So fuck it
 
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But Muslims and Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and God in the flesh....but that has nothing to do with Iran wanting to destroy Israel.



Dude had a good speaking voice and that's it.
Carl Sagan had a good speaking voice and that's it? Com'on man haha, he was a very prominent figure in science and cosmology for making the concepts/ideas discussed accessible and understandable to the common person and broadening the horizons of many people. His contributions to our society and culture were profound. Whether you are interested in what he has to say or not, his relentless, selfless and valiant effort to get his message out there (positive and empowering message i might add) should be noted and respected.
 
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So because they don't acknowledge him to be the son of god, they must all be killed?
I am not sure but I thought the message Jesus spread was about peace and love?
I am also not a christian, must I be killed for that sole reason?

Isn't this thread about Isreal bombing Iran and not the other way around.
I never said that. I was just stating that just because they all worship the same God that they are completely different. Israel wouldn't be contemplating bombing Iran either if Iran wasn't developing nuclear weapons along with funding Hamas & Hezbollah and saying that they want the destruction of Israel and 1/3 of the human race to bring on the coming of the 13th Imam and Jesus.

Isn't Jesus the most quoted prophet in the qur'an? No other prophet glorified Jesus as much as Prophet Muhammad did, jews called him an impostor and accused his mother of immorality. They tried to crucify him. Prophet Muhammad considered Jesus as great Prophet and the “Word of God". The Qur'an attributed to him miracles that are not even mentioned in the Bible as well.

The quran also states that Jesus will return to earth during judgment day and will rid the world of wrongdoing injustices and all that.

Again, it states Jesus spoke the word of god, was a prophet, and was will be sent from god to save earth.
But it doesn't say and they don't believe he was the Son of God. They are lost. Same with the Jews. There is a good amount of U.S. Christians and Muslims too for that matter that live in Israel so the U.S. has stock in this too.
 
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But Muslims and Jews don't acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and God in the flesh....but that has nothing to do with Iran wanting to destroy Israel.

And about this jesus son of god thing... you do realize that originally the message was and i paraphrase "i am the son of god, but so are all of you" which was cut up and botched either by too many hands slowly changing the story over time... or more malevolently, was intentionally removed for control purposes. "God-realization" is an occurrence common to all religious and metaphysical practices and ideologies. If jesus did exist he was a man who had this realization.. but due to his old testament jewish fear god simple upbringing when this realization happened it could've either been mistakenly interpreted by himself or others as divine embodiment exclusively to him. But if you read his other statements such as the kingdom of heaven is within you.. or the judeo-christian god stating "i am that i am" etc.. it starts to become clear what he was driving at (to anyone with a broad understanding of multi-cultural-religious teachings) is no different than god-realized cosmic consciousness experienced and discussed by most every religion on the face of the planet. The problem is again... the belief systems that have popped up and surrounded the phenomena. If jesus had been born in India, china, japan, tibet etc.. his message would've been commonplace. It's unfortunate that some of these religions reify divinity being separate from yourself. That there is some god somehow separate from you. Very defeating message. Of course my opinion but not one i've come to through blind belief on any level.

It's funny to me that one of the 10 commandments in judeo-christian philosophy and religion is and i paraphrase again "thou shalt not worship false idols".. idols being representations of gods or deities coming in many forms stone, wood etc.. but idols also come in the form of IDEAS AND BELIEFS, both being the most dangerous form of idolization in my opinion. The danger being that: your idea or belief about something is never that "thing" in-and-of-itself.

The analogy could be something like having lived your entire life in an enclosed room with one window.. a stained glass window with an image of a sunny blue sky and clouds on it. And to you that would be your everything, your source of light and warmth and you would idolize that window and worship that window and the images on it. You would no doubt eventually create a belief system out of the etchings of the sun, blue sky, clouds etc. One day you would also begin to question the window and start to become curious of it's composition and makeup and whether the window is the source of light and warmth. You'd then come to a conclusion about that questioning. And on and on... of course you know this story would end up with that window breaking open one day and the true sunny sky and clouds being witnessed... a shocking earth shattering experience that no idea or concept ever came close to.

So again i keep hammering this same shit, the ideas and beliefs can be very dangerous. Clearly! By you repeatedly saying that by Muslims not accepting Jesus and lord and savior... thats somehow wrong. There's nothing wrong with the beliefs and ideas, they can be very empowering and as creative creatures with the gift of being able to know and understand we should all naturally question everything and come to our own conclusions and create our worlds. But the problem is thinking your beliefs and ideas are the truth.

THE PROBLEM IS THINKING YOUR BELIEFS AND IDEAS ARE THE TRUTH.

They're just beliefs and ideas... nothing more. They are mental representations that are the blueprints for your own personal reality.

You have to be able to move and bend with your beliefs if there is to be harmony in your world. A tree limb under stress and pressure that can't bend will break. This has to be hammered and hammered and hammered into you because you're not hearing the message. If you heard the message then the "problem" would be immediately disarmed in your personal view.

You have to be able to go through life and say "i'm ok with that" to everything that arises. Fighting and forcing your view and wants and desires leads to conflict, strife and animosity. Anything that comes up... any happening.. accept it or suffer(within reasonable means i'm not preaching being a lil bitch that just accepts whatever and has no spine its not like that). If you can't say "I'm ok with that" then you're resisting "what is". And resisting what is, is a losing battle every time. Separate wants and desires, beliefs and opinions from actuality... you're free to dabble in wants, desires, beliefs and opinions but take them for what they are and don't idolize them. Mistaking the idol for the actual is where the danger comes into play. But the dangers all good too. It's all good!
 
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all that I stated above discussing the son of god and other interpretations.. being interpretations, ideas and beliefs.. on my part in full. I fully admit that and don't mistake them for anything else... ultimately unimportant IMO as well.

My un-needed belief adding nothing to the discussion i'm shamelessly adding being:

The only thing that isn't a concept is the experiential knowledge-feeling that "you are" that you exist... prior to the thought-concept "I am". The fact of experiencing is no concept. You can deny everything, doubt everything, except that experience is happening prior to words and concepts NOW. God is a concept in YOU. You and what the concept god points to being inseparable. And that is the brink of the precipice.
 
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And about this jesus son of god thing... you do realize that originally the message was and i paraphrase "i am the son of god, but so are all of you" which was cut up and botched either by too many hands slowly changing the story over time... or more malevolently, was intentionally removed for control purposes. "God-realization" is an occurrence common to all religious and metaphysical practices and ideologies. If jesus did exist he was a man who had this realization.. but due to his old testament jewish fear god simple upbringing when this realization happened it could've either been mistakenly interpreted by himself or others as divine embodiment exclusively to him. But if you read his other statements such as the kingdom of heaven is within you.. or the judeo-christian god stating "i am that i am" etc.. it starts to become clear what he was driving at (to anyone with a broad understanding of multi-cultural-religious teachings) is no different than god-realized cosmic consciousness experienced and discussed by most every religion on the face of the planet. The problem is again... the belief systems that have popped up and surrounded the phenomena. If jesus had been born in India, china, japan, tibet etc.. his message would've been commonplace. It's unfortunate that some of these religions reify divinity being separate from yourself. That there is some god somehow separate from you. Very defeating message. Of course my opinion but not one i've come to through blind belief on any level.

It's funny to me that one of the 10 commandments in judeo-christian philosophy and religion is and i paraphrase again "thou shalt not worship false idols".. idols being representations of gods or deities coming in many forms stone, wood etc.. but idols also come in the form of IDEAS AND BELIEFS, both being the most dangerous form of idolization in my opinion. The danger being that: your idea or belief about something is never that "thing" in-and-of-itself.

The analogy could be something like having lived your entire life in an enclosed room with one window.. a stained glass window with an image of a sunny blue sky and clouds on it. And to you that would be your everything, your source of light and warmth and you would idolize that window and worship that window and the images on it. You would no doubt eventually create a belief system out of the etchings of the sun, blue sky, clouds etc. One day you would also begin to question the window and start to become curious of it's composition and makeup and whether the window is the source of light and warmth. You'd then come to a conclusion about that questioning. And on and on... of course you know this story would end up with that window breaking open one day and the true sunny sky and clouds being witnessed... a shocking earth shattering experience that no idea or concept ever came close to.

So again i keep hammering this same shit, the ideas and beliefs can be very dangerous. Clearly! By you repeatedly saying that by Muslims not accepting Jesus and lord and savior... thats somehow wrong. There's nothing wrong with the beliefs and ideas, they can be very empowering and as creative creatures with the gift of being able to know and understand we should all naturally question everything and come to our own conclusions and create our worlds. But the problem is thinking your beliefs and ideas are the truth.

THE PROBLEM IS THINKING YOUR BELIEFS AND IDEAS ARE THE TRUTH.

They're just beliefs and ideas... nothing more. They are mental representations that are the blueprints for your own personal reality.

You have to be able to move and bend with your beliefs if there is to be harmony in your world. A tree limb under stress and pressure that can't bend will break. This has to be hammered and hammered and hammered into you because you're not hearing the message. If you heard the message then the "problem" would be immediately disarmed in your personal view.

You have to be able to go through life and say "i'm ok with that" to everything that arises. Fighting and forcing your view and wants and desires leads to conflict, strife and animosity. Anything that comes up... any happening.. accept it or suffer(within reasonable means i'm not preaching being a lil bitch that just accepts whatever and has no spine its not like that). If you can't say "I'm ok with that" then you're resisting "what is". And resisting what is, is a losing battle every time. Separate wants and desires, beliefs and opinions from actuality... you're free to dabble in wants, desires, beliefs and opinions but take them for what they are and don't idolize them. Mistaking the idol for the actual is where the danger comes into play. But the dangers all good too. It's all good!

Blah Blah Blah. I know what the fuck I believe and nothing will ever change it. I've spent a bunch of time reading the lost books like Enoch and studying different theories like Gap Theory and Pre-Adamic man. Only one version of the story is right and I believe it's the Christian version. Don't give me the Bible has been corrupted bullshit cause I ain't hearin it. I know Rome chose the books of the New Testament. Wording and translation isn't perfect. Latan is the best language to read the Bible in if possible because it is the most accurate language.

and I don't worship any Idols.
 
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Qu'ran LOL

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust." Qur’an 5:51

"Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures."
Qur’an 98:6


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Qur’an 9:29

Allah brags about drowning the Egyptian army. 2:50

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96

"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244
 
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Qu'ran LOL

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust." Qur’an 5:51

"Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures."
Qur’an 98:6


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Qur’an 9:29

Allah brags about drowning the Egyptian army. 2:50

Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96

"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244
First off, your an idiot because anything that is transliterated from the Qu'ran is NOT considered a quote from the Qu'ran (Thats why you need to know proper Arabic in order to read the real Qu'ran). So, religious understanding number one fail. And second, you really think there isn't flawed messages that have been added to the bible? C'mom politics have sunken their bloody teeth in every fucking religion possible. Even hinduism one of the most non-earthbound spiritualities has added a caste system that divides the followers into "higher beings" and "lower beings" and you know what, that was after Caucasian people moved down into India and wanted to make a more "controlled" society.

Jesus is not considered the "son of god" to Muslims because they belief that God is without a place, and whatever you imagine him to be, he is different. You could even say 'it' when referencing to God, because Allah can't even be female or male because that is a creation and that is flawed.

Extra props to LyfeCentenz, I basically was gonna say everything you said to those retards.
 
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Blah Blah Blah. I know what the fuck I believe and nothing will ever change it.
Rightly so, and a usual response!

I've spent a bunch of time reading the lost books like Enoch and studying different theories like Gap Theory and Pre-Adamic man. Only one version of the story is right and I believe it's the Christian version. Don't give me the Bible has been corrupted bullshit cause I ain't hearin it. I know Rome chose the books of the New Testament. Wording and translation isn't perfect. Latan is the best language to read the Bible in if possible because it is the most accurate language.
Glad you venture out into the water a little, as long as you realize the key word being "believe" in "one version of the story is right and i believe". Never said the bible was in fact corrupted bullshit.. it is whatever you make it. My reference was to the game you play in kindergarten where the whole class gets in a giant circle and the teacher whispers a phrase into the first kids ear and then from there he tells the next kid and the next kid around the whole circle until you get back to the beginning and usually the phrase is nothing like the original. Same is true for historical documents, texts, teachings.. whether from error or elaboration the fact that the possibility of a very different origin is prevalent beyond a doubt. Latin is the most accurate language and its funny how different alot of phrases are as i stated above.

and I don't worship any Idols.
Is that fact or opinion?

The idea of god or jesus given to you by the belief system is obviously a conceptual idea and re-telling/re-representation of the original persons or teachings... if they did in fact even exist as historical figures. So you'd be worshipping a conceptualization of the original. A word, thought, image, idea... Which are idols.

Many prominent Judeo-christian theologians knew this... example would be Dionysius the Areopagite 6th century christian theologian/philosopher. Many acclaimed christian theologians like meister eckhart, st. thomas aquinas, john scotus eriugena studied dionysius the areopagite.. who wrote a few books, one being "Theologia Mystica" where he explains in order to come to full union with god, you must give up every conception of god whatsoever. He said don't think that god is oneness or threeness or unity or spirit or any anything the human mind can come up with. He/it is beyond all that.

This is called apophatic theology. Its opposite being cataphatic.. if you speak cataphatically you would say what god is like... according to analogy: Ex. God is like a father, god is like spirit etc... he wrote two books one called "divine names" speaking cataphatically about god and "theologia mystica" speaking apophatically about god.

Apophatic states what god is NOT. And all of those theologians that followed Dionysius said the highest way of speaking about god is in negative terms... Dionysius gave the example of when a sculptor makes a figure he does it by removing stone... by taking it away.

St. Thomas aquinas said paraphrased "because god by his infinity.. exceeds every idea that the human mind can reach the best way to speak of him is by remotion" by removing every inadequate concept.

The hindus call it Neti-Neti when speaking of the brahman of supreme reality, neti-neti meaning "its not this, its not that."

In zen they say likewise... if you meet the buddha, kill the buddha... if you meet the patriarch kill the patriarch. Like saying if you meet jesus kill jesus. Kill all concepts and ideas and rise above them all.

Cease to cling to any false representation of that which cannot be known. And when you let go of all conceptions, beliefs and ideas... truly... not even negating, being an atheist or something of the like (because that takes belief as well you have to believe its not true). When you can let go of it all something can happen in the psychosomatic structure of your organism. Full union of whatever that is that is the totality. I have experienced it. If i was a fucking idiot i would say "I am god" based on that experience. But like i said god is a concept. Everything is concept existing in what you are. To even say "i experienced" that is a concept and untrue... you are removed in that experience and there is only what is. And that is how it is all the time! But due to the veil of concepts, ideas, etc.. it is not apparent. Called maya in various traditions.

Apophatic undertaking is a very re-occurring theme in any real metaphysic or genuine spiritual/religious endeavor.

And that my friend, is why you worship an idol.