is san daygo even hood?
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All everybody's been doing on here has been saying "go to this hood" and "wear this in this hood....say this in that hood....etc etc" It goes on and on and on forever. It means nothing, b/c anybody can say those things about their own city.
What San Diego canNOT say is we have a high crime rate. From 2004 - 2005, among all cities 500,000 or more (there are 32 of them in the US), San Diego ranked 28 in murder, 24th in rape, 30th in robbery and 23rd in assault. Aggregate in all together, San Diego "on paper" is #30 out of 32 large cities, and 164 out of 252 for cities larger than 80,000 people.
You guys can continue on with your 'come to this hood' or 'come down here' talk all you want. But until somebody convinces me that a city that does between 5-10 homicides per 100,000 people every year is harder or as hard as a one that does between 40-60 (as they do in the Midwest, East Coast and South), I'll continue to view San Diego as a significantly safer than average large American City.
Does this mean I think it would be safe to go to San Diego and shoot my mouth off? NO. Are there crazy people in Dago? YES. Do I understand why you guys get really defensive when some idiot calls you soft? YES. Do I love a lot of the rap music coming out of San Diego? YES. But is San Diego one of the wealthiest, safest large cities in the United States??? YES.
** I would be happy to e-mail the spreadsheet where I got all those numbers to anybody, it's something I put together this summer using the FBI Uniform Crime Reports from 2004-2005. PM me with your e-mail.
What San Diego canNOT say is we have a high crime rate. From 2004 - 2005, among all cities 500,000 or more (there are 32 of them in the US), San Diego ranked 28 in murder, 24th in rape, 30th in robbery and 23rd in assault. Aggregate in all together, San Diego "on paper" is #30 out of 32 large cities, and 164 out of 252 for cities larger than 80,000 people.
You guys can continue on with your 'come to this hood' or 'come down here' talk all you want. But until somebody convinces me that a city that does between 5-10 homicides per 100,000 people every year is harder or as hard as a one that does between 40-60 (as they do in the Midwest, East Coast and South), I'll continue to view San Diego as a significantly safer than average large American City.
Does this mean I think it would be safe to go to San Diego and shoot my mouth off? NO. Are there crazy people in Dago? YES. Do I understand why you guys get really defensive when some idiot calls you soft? YES. Do I love a lot of the rap music coming out of San Diego? YES. But is San Diego one of the wealthiest, safest large cities in the United States??? YES.
** I would be happy to e-mail the spreadsheet where I got all those numbers to anybody, it's something I put together this summer using the FBI Uniform Crime Reports from 2004-2005. PM me with your e-mail.
using the FBI crime reports dosent mean a god damn thing.
first, why would a tourist city trump up its murders?
as an add on, since when is the FBI trustworthy in any sort of way? so you can believe them when it comes to killings?
secondly if you arent dead, what does that tell you? wherever you live obviously aint beruit....and you obviously aint rambo. i dont give a fuck if your in the worst city ever, your ass is on a cable modem talking about murder rates.
you know who you need to talk to? someone who DOSENT have 60 dollars a month for high speed internet.
so what exactly is one flossing by showing murder rates? are you claiming that everyone who murders someone is a rider? if you have 10,000 extra poor crackheads with 9 dollar knives, does that make your city any harder?
no, that makes your city full of broke ass cluckers killing themselves over 8 dollars worth of crack and hicks merking their family members. and when your city is within the top 10 biggest cities, sooner or later there will be money funded to the police force.
you see, san diego isnt broke. theres money allocated to the police force, wheras you might live in bumfuck ohio where people get killed and no one cares because theres like, 3 police officers.
with money comes corruption. dont believe "FBI reports" on murder in the 7th biggest city. we live next to the border and theres alot covered up.
las vegas's murder rate is low, but you can have a gun in your car on the dashboard and drink on the street. trust me find yourself in the wrong neighboorhood in any city murder rate low or not and youll be +1 murder at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
my feeling is....if you stay out of areas you dont belong in you stay out of trouble in san diego. the city is seperated enough to the point where the rich people may never even know where the 'poor part of town' is. the city is just that big.
first, why would a tourist city trump up its murders?
as an add on, since when is the FBI trustworthy in any sort of way? so you can believe them when it comes to killings?
secondly if you arent dead, what does that tell you? wherever you live obviously aint beruit....and you obviously aint rambo. i dont give a fuck if your in the worst city ever, your ass is on a cable modem talking about murder rates.
you know who you need to talk to? someone who DOSENT have 60 dollars a month for high speed internet.
so what exactly is one flossing by showing murder rates? are you claiming that everyone who murders someone is a rider? if you have 10,000 extra poor crackheads with 9 dollar knives, does that make your city any harder?
no, that makes your city full of broke ass cluckers killing themselves over 8 dollars worth of crack and hicks merking their family members. and when your city is within the top 10 biggest cities, sooner or later there will be money funded to the police force.
you see, san diego isnt broke. theres money allocated to the police force, wheras you might live in bumfuck ohio where people get killed and no one cares because theres like, 3 police officers.
with money comes corruption. dont believe "FBI reports" on murder in the 7th biggest city. we live next to the border and theres alot covered up.
las vegas's murder rate is low, but you can have a gun in your car on the dashboard and drink on the street. trust me find yourself in the wrong neighboorhood in any city murder rate low or not and youll be +1 murder at the wrong place, at the wrong time.
my feeling is....if you stay out of areas you dont belong in you stay out of trouble in san diego. the city is seperated enough to the point where the rich people may never even know where the 'poor part of town' is. the city is just that big.
I'd pick Dago over a city full of broke ass cluckers killing themselves over 8 dollars worth of crack.
Las Vegas' murder rate is not low, they go 26 per 100,000, that's 5x the rate of Dago. Washington DC is a serious tourist destination, and the nation's capital for god sake, wouldn't you think they'd want to cover up this kind of thing? They don't, DC goes 38 per 100,000, 7x the rate of Dago. Miami another tourist city registers VERY high in all things crime rate. I'm sorry you guys but Dago is not hard on the scale of American cities.
Does that mean 100% of the population has it good? No Far from it. Does that mean person A from hard city is harder than person B from Dago? No of course not. Do I think Mitchy Slick is lying in his lyrics? No of course not. Keep crying conspiracy if you want, but you guys just don't have the demographic, historical and economic legacy formula that has created the hardest cities in America.
Las Vegas' murder rate is not low, they go 26 per 100,000, that's 5x the rate of Dago. Washington DC is a serious tourist destination, and the nation's capital for god sake, wouldn't you think they'd want to cover up this kind of thing? They don't, DC goes 38 per 100,000, 7x the rate of Dago. Miami another tourist city registers VERY high in all things crime rate. I'm sorry you guys but Dago is not hard on the scale of American cities.
Does that mean 100% of the population has it good? No Far from it. Does that mean person A from hard city is harder than person B from Dago? No of course not. Do I think Mitchy Slick is lying in his lyrics? No of course not. Keep crying conspiracy if you want, but you guys just don't have the demographic, historical and economic legacy formula that has created the hardest cities in America.
Yes I know, it leaves out that and more for every other city in America too, it's a measure of what's going on in the city limits. So if you guys want to tell me that a bigger chunk of Dago's dirt goes down outside the city limits than other places in the USA, now that would be something to look into for sure.
@xpanther
when youre under the top 10 biggest cities in US, the 8-9 counties left out of san diego is alot bigger of a chunk than some smaller city.
do you think they add on all the shit that goes on at the border into crime statistics? no, because it has to do with mexico.
theres alot more shit going on in san diego than you can learn from looking at a FBI 2004-2005 crime list. seriously.
when youre under the top 10 biggest cities in US, the 8-9 counties left out of san diego is alot bigger of a chunk than some smaller city.
do you think they add on all the shit that goes on at the border into crime statistics? no, because it has to do with mexico.
theres alot more shit going on in san diego than you can learn from looking at a FBI 2004-2005 crime list. seriously.
first of all, this isnt a city pissing contest. saying "dc has blah blah blah" is stupid.
like i said in the last post, you are not hard, youre not involved in any high risk criminal behavior that would even put you at risk to be murdered.
how about the immigrants? do you think the FBI adds them in the san diego population for your little murder sheet? how many immigrants would you guess san diego has, or GETs.....even...DAILY?
how do you enjoy a nice city when youre poor? the thing you dont understand that i'm obviously going to have to break down to you is that the evil brought upon minorities and low income areas is nationwide. Its no better or worse anywhere, they all have no money to pay for food or rent or feeding their children, low income housing is built on toxic waste and drugs are in bulk.
this is happening while im typing to you, in oh-so nice san diego.
its affecting more than one person. more than the people on your precious spreadsheet.
theres serious agendas within southeast san diego EXCLUDING gang warfare that is killing off thousands of people and none of this is considered murder by the FBI. i'm not trying to shit on you but if you don't live in san diego, if you arent aware of the inner workings of this city and what goes on...
shut the fuck up.
like i said in the last post, you are not hard, youre not involved in any high risk criminal behavior that would even put you at risk to be murdered.
how about the immigrants? do you think the FBI adds them in the san diego population for your little murder sheet? how many immigrants would you guess san diego has, or GETs.....even...DAILY?
how do you enjoy a nice city when youre poor? the thing you dont understand that i'm obviously going to have to break down to you is that the evil brought upon minorities and low income areas is nationwide. Its no better or worse anywhere, they all have no money to pay for food or rent or feeding their children, low income housing is built on toxic waste and drugs are in bulk.
this is happening while im typing to you, in oh-so nice san diego.
its affecting more than one person. more than the people on your precious spreadsheet.
theres serious agendas within southeast san diego EXCLUDING gang warfare that is killing off thousands of people and none of this is considered murder by the FBI. i'm not trying to shit on you but if you don't live in san diego, if you arent aware of the inner workings of this city and what goes on...
shut the fuck up.
...on paper NYC and L.A. per capita are some of the safest cities in the whole country... I don't have spread sheet proof, but I think New Orleans had the highest per capita muder rate in the United States... those San Diego statistics are made up... SDPD doesn't include the number of people they shoot in those crime stats (Steve Foley, Sergio Vasquez, Jorge Ramirez)... but if they did... those numbers would be much higher... San Diego ain't all that 'hood' but it does have a few rough blocks... 22nd, 30th, 32nd, 33rd, 38th, 41st, 44th, 47th, 61st, 69th, (Logan Heights, Encanto)... I'm not positive but I would imagine the crime stats within those few blocks are about the same as any 'hood'... and after living in crazy ass D.C. for eight years Bill Clinton moved to Harlem... Ha Ha!!!!!!
@xpanther206: what's the point of argueing something that nobody was bringing up in the first place? I don't remember anybody going around talkin about Dago being one of the hardest cities in the nation, just the fact that there are hoods here just like most cities in the US.
San Diego is a very segregated city, so the experience of a kid in southeast is going to be different than a kid from Scripps Ranch or some shit. Every hood's the same, they all face the same issues, and breed the same mentalities. So someone living in the hood in San Diego, is gonna see there life experience no different than someone living in the hood in D.C, despite what some corny ass spreadsheet says about crime rates...
San Diego is a very segregated city, so the experience of a kid in southeast is going to be different than a kid from Scripps Ranch or some shit. Every hood's the same, they all face the same issues, and breed the same mentalities. So someone living in the hood in San Diego, is gonna see there life experience no different than someone living in the hood in D.C, despite what some corny ass spreadsheet says about crime rates...
You're missing my points.
That crime rate shit doesn't tell you anything about which hoods are the worst. That crime rate shit DOES tell you is how big a percentage of a city is hood.
I'm not saying the HOODS in San Diego are softer than the HOODS in Oakland, Detroit, DC, wherever. I'm saying that a SMALLER PROPORTION OF SAN DIEGO IS HOOD TO BEGIN WITH.
And that was a moving piece you wrote on how hard it is for poor & especially poor minority folks, that there are forces beyond their control conspiring against them. That's true, I'm 100% behind that, but unfortunately, that kind of emphasizes the point I'm trying to make b/c all of these cities that I would think of before San Diego in "hardness" or whatever you want to call it, all of these cities have more poor minority people than San Diego, especially black people.
I'm sorry to break your heart man but San Diego is not thought of as rough to anybody outside of the West, not b/c there ain't rough people or rough spots, but b/c they're just too small a segment of the population.
Something San Diego does do EXTREMELY WELL is sports, so many stars especially football & baseball are from the Dago town. That list of running backs would be impressive for an entire state let alone a city, and Dago does baseball just about as good as any other city in the country.
That crime rate shit doesn't tell you anything about which hoods are the worst. That crime rate shit DOES tell you is how big a percentage of a city is hood.
I'm not saying the HOODS in San Diego are softer than the HOODS in Oakland, Detroit, DC, wherever. I'm saying that a SMALLER PROPORTION OF SAN DIEGO IS HOOD TO BEGIN WITH.
And that was a moving piece you wrote on how hard it is for poor & especially poor minority folks, that there are forces beyond their control conspiring against them. That's true, I'm 100% behind that, but unfortunately, that kind of emphasizes the point I'm trying to make b/c all of these cities that I would think of before San Diego in "hardness" or whatever you want to call it, all of these cities have more poor minority people than San Diego, especially black people.
I'm sorry to break your heart man but San Diego is not thought of as rough to anybody outside of the West, not b/c there ain't rough people or rough spots, but b/c they're just too small a segment of the population.
Something San Diego does do EXTREMELY WELL is sports, so many stars especially football & baseball are from the Dago town. That list of running backs would be impressive for an entire state let alone a city, and Dago does baseball just about as good as any other city in the country.
I'm kind of repeating myself from that previous post above. See my above thing about all hoods being the same, I agree with you 100%, they are. Just a smaller chunk of Dago is hood than other cities.
And of course it is a little corny to break out a spreadsheet like that but wouldn't you agree that if one place has 7x the amount of homicides than another, there is something different about the two places?
You're right I suppose that this post was originally not a hardness contest, just a verification that there are some hard spots in San Diego. So to revise what the dude who started all this said about "San Diego having all them rich niggas...etc etc" the way that I would revise that would be "San Diego just has less niggas"
And about the segregation, the black-white index of dissimilarity is 63.6 which is about average. Latino-white index of dissimilarity is 49.9, also about average. San Diego is segregated as hell b/c its an American city, they all are, but it is really not nearly as segregated as cities east of the Mississippi River who consistently register in the 70s and 80s in this statistic.
And of course it is a little corny to break out a spreadsheet like that but wouldn't you agree that if one place has 7x the amount of homicides than another, there is something different about the two places?
You're right I suppose that this post was originally not a hardness contest, just a verification that there are some hard spots in San Diego. So to revise what the dude who started all this said about "San Diego having all them rich niggas...etc etc" the way that I would revise that would be "San Diego just has less niggas"
And about the segregation, the black-white index of dissimilarity is 63.6 which is about average. Latino-white index of dissimilarity is 49.9, also about average. San Diego is segregated as hell b/c its an American city, they all are, but it is really not nearly as segregated as cities east of the Mississippi River who consistently register in the 70s and 80s in this statistic.
Of course there's a difference, regardless of that the issues are still there that breeds the mentality that my hood is the hardest. So understand why someone will feel that way about there area cause that's all they now, that's been their reality, their not worrying about what's going on in the next city.
I do agree with you that the hoods of Dago make up a smaller percentage size wise, compared to alot of other cities.
One thing I wanted to know is, what's the percentage of crime for certain parts of the city(southeast, east dago, national city, etc.) compared to the rest of the city. In other words, what percentage of the cities crimes take place in these areas?
I do agree with you that the hoods of Dago make up a smaller percentage size wise, compared to alot of other cities.
One thing I wanted to know is, what's the percentage of crime for certain parts of the city(southeast, east dago, national city, etc.) compared to the rest of the city. In other words, what percentage of the cities crimes take place in these areas?