Is it time for the world to give up religion? Probably

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If You're a Christian, Muslim or Jew - You are Wrong
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-youre-a-christian-mu_b_9349.html

We live in a twisted world, where right is wrong and wrong reigns supreme. It is a chilling fact that most of the world's leaders believe in nonsensical fairytales about the nature of reality. They believe in Gods that do not exist, and religions that could not possibly be true. We are driven to war after war, violence on top of violence to appease madmen who believe in gory mythologies.
These men are called Christians, Muslims and Jews.

Osama bin Laden is insane. He believes God whispered in the ear of Mohammed 1,400 years ago about how he should conquer Arabia. Mohammed was a pure charlatan -- and a good one at that. He makes present religious frauds like Pat Robertson look like amateurs.

He said God told him to have sex with as many of the women he met as possible. I'm sorry, I meant to say "take them as wives." God told him to kill all other tribes that stood in his way or that would not placate him with assurances of loyalty or bribes. God told him, conveniently, that everyone should follow him and never question a word he said.

He sold this bag of goods to the blithering idiots who lived in the Arabian Peninsula at the time. If that weren't shockingly stupid enough, over a billion people continue to believe the convenient lies that Mohammed told all that time ago -- to this very day.

We live in a world full of insane people. Sanity is an island battered in an ocean of frothing delusion. The people who believe in science are the minority. The people who believe in bloody fairytales are the overwhelming majority.

George W. Bush is the most powerful man alive. He is a class A imbecile. He is far less intelligent than the average Christian. But like most of the others, he believes Jesus died for his sins. That idea is so perverse and devoid of logic it should shock the conscience. Instead, it gets him elected, and earns him the reverence of a great percentage of America. America! The most advanced country in the world -- run by a bunch of villagers who still believe Santa Claus is going to save them.

There is no damn Easter Bunny. There is no Jesus waiting to return. Moses never even existed. These were all convenient lies from the men of those times to gain power. Their actions were rational -- they wanted to deceive their brethren so that they could amass power. I get their motivations. But I cannot, for the life of me, understand our motivations, thousands of years later, still following the conmen of yesteryear into our gory, bloody, violent end.

Jesus is said to have said on the cross, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Because Jesus was insane and the God he thought would rescue him did not exist. And he died on that cross like a fool. He fancied himself the son of God and he could barely convince twelve men to follow him at a time when the world was full of superstition.

Excellent marketing by some of his followers would later rescue his botched effort. How many people saw his miracles? One? Twelve? Eighty? Why didn't he show the whole world? Not because this is some giant pop quiz by God to test us -- but because he did not perform any miracles!

Even his apostles can't agree on what miracles he supposedly carried out or when he carried them out. Or whether he returned after death or he didn't. Whether they saw him in person or just as a vision. Rational human beings shouldn't believe this kind of nonsense. Yet most of the world does.

If a man today killed his only son to show how much he loved other people, he would be considered a madman, locked in jail and earn society's contempt. Yet we think this is some sort of noble act by our Father in Heaven.

In Heaven? What, with the harps and the winged angels and the 72 virgins? My God, how stupid do you have to be to believe that?

I know most of you don't actually read your religious texts, and when you do, you assiduously try to avoid the parts that make no sense whatsoever or hide underneath the comforting grasp of your religious leaders who have concocted a bunch of circular logic (a crime to even use that word in regards to Christianity, Islam or Judaism) to shield you from the obvious folly of the written text.

So, I'm not calling you stupid if you haven't really read the material. And I know how powerful brainwashing is. We all received it when we were young and it is exceedingly difficult to break its grasp. But people dance around the issue out of politeness because they don't want to call you what you are -- ignorant.

There are a lot of people I love dearly and respect wholeheartedly who believe in religion. I hate to do this to them. But we have killed far too many people, wasted far too much time on this nonsense for us to keep going in this direction for fear of offense.

Jesus was a lunatic. God is not coming to your rescue. He hasn't come to anyone's rescue in thousands of years, including Jesus. Mohammed was a power hungry, scam artist and ruthless conqueror. Moses and Abraham were figments of the imagination of some long dead rabbi. He would probably laugh his ass off at all of you who still believe the fairytales he made up thousands of years ago. He probably wouldn't even believe it if you told him.

Did I mention Judaism? The chosen people? Come on, get off it. People walk around in clothes from 18th century Russia, thinking they have been chosen by God when they look like a bunch of jackasses. I'm tired of all the deaths because we did not want to give offense. Orthodox Jews are wrong and ridiculous.

As are the orthodox and fundamentalists of all of the religions. It says in the Bible that it is an abomination to wear clothes made of two different cloths or to eat shellfish. If you think God will hate you because you mixed wool and linen or because you ate some shrimp, you are insane.

How long are we going to dance around the 800-pound gorilla in the room? The world is run by madmen. It's not just Bush and bin Laden. It is the leader of all of the countries in the Middle East, almost all of the Americas and most of the rest of the world.

Have I offended you? That's too bad. Stop killing each other in the name of false and ridiculous Gods and I will stop ridiculing you. Trust me, your offense is much worse than mine.

Right now as you read this, there are ignorant, hateful Muslims teaching other ignorant Muslims how to put on a suicide belt. There are orthodox Jews telling other Jews how they must never leave their "holy land" no matter what the consequences are to other human beings. They assure their followers -- remember, they are not the chosen ones, we are. If we crush and oppress them, don't worry, God will excuse it, and even desires it, because He is on our side.

There are maniacal Christians who are praying for the end of time. Who are hoping that most of the world's population is wiped off the face of the Earth by their vengeful and murderous God. Whom they believe is, ironically, a loving God. Unless, of course, you make the fatal mistake of not kissing his ass and appeasing him, in which case he will slaughter you and condemn you to eternal torture. What kind of sick people believe this?

The kind who live next to you. The kind who voted for George Bush. The kind who send their religious leaders to the White House to argue against even-handedness in the Middle East because it would prevent their sick prophecy. The kind who have undue influence over how we use the greatest and most lethal army ever built by man.

If you don't want to be called ignorant or misinformed, then get informed. Learn the real nature of our universe and put aside old wives tales about resurrected Gods, omniscient prophets and a guy who could split the Red Sea but couldn't find where he's going in the desert for forty years.

It's the year 2005. Let's start acting like it.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
**waits for people to get hurt feelings**

As the saying goes you are preaching to the choir here in GOM, ....I think more people are gonna agree with you in then disagree. The problem with humans is that it is inherently in our nature to believe in things like religion. That is why people can be so susceptible to cults. Whether or not their is a God, I have no idea and it would be foolish to assume one way or another. However, I would bet that if there were he would be laughing at the type of religions in the world today.
 
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If Religion should be given up on, Maybe we should give up on science too. There are countless amount of flaws in science. Theres also groups of people who study science incorrectly. Maybe we shouldn't dig deeper into the meaning of life and worry about how much pussy we can beat up on a given night. I respect your opinion, i have no issue with it but these types of rants can go both ways.
 
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Islam Is the Truth, and God chooses whom he wants and whom he astrays. Its funny when it comes to athiests because they either WANT to become part of a religion or they are clueless either way they are misguided and if God chooses they will forever be misguided, may i ask how we came to be were we a mistake? haha....most athiests anyways on their deathbed will believe in God and ask for forgivness...

The article is complete BLASPHEMY, if someone decideds to write an article they need their facts straight first. And if someone trys to come at me, Prove me that there is ONE piece of falsness in the QURAN, just one thing show me it, over 1400 years old UNTAMPERED with, SHOW ME ONE PIECE OF FALSNESS IN THE QURAN? the Quran has had many miracles that people barley found out not long ago, the most recent one is the QUran talks about the creature on the mosquitos back, and they found out not long ago theres actually a animal or something that lives on the mosquitos back, In the quran it talks about the mountains having roots, and that Allah gave them roots and made them large so they stabilize you which is Plate techtonics, the different levels of the sea, the earth being round ( there are muslim maps of the earth being round 1000 years old), the dead star like a rose or flower ( check google for a picture of a dead star), the Embryo in the Quran it talks about the fetus and how we came from a CLOT! this is stuff that has barely been discovered by science within the last 200 years, anyways the list goesssssss oooooon, this is off top of my head. Whatever truth i spoke is because of God and whatever falsness i spoke is from me.
 
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Organized religion, regardless of however many have died over it, it still an anchor in our world to keep the stupid from getting their own ideas.

I honestly believe that without established moral codes keeping people from violence as most religions (except Islam) do, we would have even more misery and bloodsheed in our world.

Your poster presupposes two things 1. That religion has an indescribably bad effect 100 percent of the time on all who espouse it, and 2. That the people of the world are intellectually, socially, and culturally ready to dispose of their gods and goddesses and simply live in Logic Land with the rest of the atheists.

Rational thought, and the appeal to rational thought are very Western concepts. What we see as "scientific" and "rational" could and would, in many other places, be seen as weakness, folly, or lunacy.

Does this mean it is lunacy? No. Simply that you are assuming that the average dumbass punjabi would be better off without Hinduism, the average African better off without tribalism, the average American better off without christianity. Unfortunately, I don't believe this. Religion is indispensibly mixed with culture in many places such that it forms the glue of society.

Religion is their only reason to abstain from wholesale slaughter, murder, and destruction. I'm not saying that in the absence of religion, people lose morals. I'm saying that in many cases it is the only thing keeping local, regional, and ethnic conflicts at bay.

Assuming that everyone drop this torch and just enlighten themselves is ludicrous on several counts. Most of those who strongly hold to religion tend to be less educated than those who don't. Most of the concepts that would need to be espoused in the absence of religion require an understanding of post-essentialist/survivalist logic, such as the "global community", the reason it is still wrong to murder, and the reason violence is an unacceptable solution to a problem.

Not everyone grew up like this author and ColdBlooded, schooled and taught, and allowed to sit back out of harm's way to let their minds and thoughts develop. It is a scientific fact that ANYONE who has to worry about survival, especially at a young age, has to kill or deactivate areas in their brain devoted to logic and intellectual advancement to survive.

What you see BECAUSE of religion (the people who kill, murder, or cause worldwide problems in religions name) is just the top of the iceberg. If we took the crack pipe away from the rest of the world, I believe we would see consequences more disastrous in religion's absence than those we currently see in its prominence.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
Jesus is said to have said on the cross, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Because Jesus was insane and the God he thought would rescue him did not exist.
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ColdBlooded said:
I know most of you don't actually read your religious texts, and when you do, you assiduously try to avoid the parts that make no sense whatsoever or hide underneath the comforting grasp of your religious leaders who have concocted a bunch of circular logic (a crime to even use that word in regards to Christianity, Islam or Judaism) to shield you from the obvious folly of the written text.
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ColdBlooded said:
But people dance around the issue out of politeness because they don't want to call you what you are -- ignorant.
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Have I offended you? That's too bad. Stop killing each other in the name of false and ridiculous Gods and I will stop ridiculing you. Trust me, your offense is much worse than mine.
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ColdBlooded said:
If you don't want to be called ignorant or misinformed, then get informed.
Ironic
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
Organized religion, regardless of however many have died over it, it still an anchor in our world to keep the stupid from getting their own ideas.

I honestly believe that without established moral codes keeping people from violence as most religions (except Islam) do, we would have even more misery and bloodsheed in our world.

^^^^ agreed.

If even a small percentage of the population avoid raping, killing or stealing from someone else because they think that 'God' will punish them, then religion has served a purpose.
 
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I'll elaborate just a little

Jae iLL said:
^^ care to elaborate a little
Psalm 22:2
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Matthew 16:21
Jae iLL said:
and explain why you feel those statements were wrong?
Logic. If the Bible says one thing and who ever wrote the article said something else, then one most be wrong, If the author is using the Bible to discredit the Bible/Christianity then he MUST adhere to the Bible. Since the bible is inconsitent with his own findings he is wrong.
 
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The other point I'd like to make is that in all of recorded history, there has never been an atheistic culture. There have been brief spurts of athesistic societies, but saying that "Religion is that cause of mankind's problems" is like saying "I keep having stomachaches because of my fucking liver."

Unfortunately, the liver cannot be seperated from the rest of the body, or the complications would be potentially far worse. Saying that we must extract religion from society is the same comparison. The human race has never existed without religion.

Saying "all our problems are spawned from religion" ignores the fact that a vast majority of society's issues have little to nothing to do with religion in the first place. Religion is a facet of mankind; religion is not some seperated, extraneous option that would simply fix everything once removed.

Bin Laden's main beefs have to do with the price of oil, the Israeli state, and American military presence in the Middle East. Israel's issues have to do with pan-Arabist anger about foreign occupation, displacement of refugees, and the state of affairs in sub-standard Palestine. Religion is naught but a supplementary or a pretext for these issues.