in the bible

[carlos]

I give ya'll props for this here. Ya'll are hella smart lol good shyt though.

 

[HERESY]

Excuse me?

what structures are found in egypt?

Not by many "evolutionists and atheists"

INCORRECT.

Oh please humor me with specifics. What "larger" bones are you talking about?

IT'S NOT MY JOB TO HUMOR ANYONE WITH ANYTHING. YOU HAVE GOOGLE,WORKING HANDS,ACCESS TO A COMPUTER AND A LIBRARY CARD. NOT TO MENTION A BRAIN.

FIND THE INFO YOURSELF. YOU'LL FIND DOCUMENTED CASES IN AFRIKA,CHINA,EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA.


NOW IM GOING TO STICK MY NOSE WHERE IT DOESNT BELONG.

DROOPY SAID THE FOLLOWING:

And read up on Mithraism.

BEEN THERE DONE THAT. WHEN YOU RESEARCH AND STUDY *REAL* MITHRAISM YOU WILL SEE THAT ITS *NOT* CLOSE TO CHRISTIANITY OR JUDAISM. IT WAS A PAGAN RELIGION. I'VE DESTROYED MITHRAISM ON THIS BOARD COUNTLESS TIMES SO I WON'T GO INTO IT AGAIN.

Noah"The story of Noah and his Ark is related to the Sumerian myth of a great flood. In the sumerian myth the man is named Ziusudra. Over time the myth spread westward until it ended up in the Jewish belief system. (A process known as Syncretism). "

1.YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE IF YOU COMPARED THE STORY OF NOAH WITH THE STORY OF GILGAMESH. NOT TO MENTION THAT OVER 217 CULTURES/RACES HAVE A "FLOOD" STORY.


2.SYNCRETISM IS NOT THE BORROWING OF LEGENDS,MYTHS STORIES ETC ETC ETC. SYNCRETISM DEALS WITH MULTIPLE RELIGIONS AND FUSING THEM.


NOW IM GOING TO STOP RIGHT HERE BECAUSE WE ARE GOING THROUGH A THUNDERSTORM (YEP IN THE SUMMER TIME).

I MIGHT REPLY AND DEMOLISH EVERYTHING ELSE YOU POSTED.....OR I MIGHT NOT....


:h:


PS MUCH OF WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED I HAVE ALREADY TACKLED.

GOOD DAY

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@HERESY,

IT'S NOT MY JOB TO HUMOR ANYONE WITH ANYTHING. YOU HAVE GOOGLE,WORKING HANDS,ACCESS TO A COMPUTER AND A LIBRARY CARD. NOT TO MENTION A BRAIN.FIND THE INFO YOURSELF. YOU'LL FIND DOCUMENTED CASES IN AFRIKA,CHINA,EUROPE AND NORTH AMERICA.

Well, you did NOT supply me with much information, besides CHINA and LARGER bones.

This link is what came up on a GOOGLE search with the search CHINA LARGER BONES
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=china+larger+bones

If you expect anyone to do RESEARCH on something YOU MUST BE SPECIFIC.

Quote:
Not by many "evolutionists and atheists"

INCORRECT

That is not a very good answer. Care to back this statement up with some numbers? Or how about commenting on my statements and notes I provided regarding carbon dating?

 

[Hit The Blunt]

2-0 why are you trying to show that parts of the bible where God was said to have intervened can't be explained by science? What does the fact that it can't be explained by science prove. God is not bound by the laws of science so why must his actions? The splitting of the Red Sea...again God's intervention...should that be explained by science? Why would God's intervention be explained by science? discussing parts of the bible where God is said to have intervened is not the time to start arguing about things not lining up with science. If you were to take a step back and look at your argument you would see that it seems like quite a foolish angle to take.

 

[MC_PM$]

^^^ The splitting of the sea does rather sound unheard of and impossible!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

2-0 why are you trying to show that parts of the bible where God was said to have intervened can't be explained by science? What does the fact that it can't be explained by science prove. God is not bound by the laws of science so why must his actions? The splitting of the Red Sea...again God's intervention...should that be explained by science? Why would God's intervention be explained by science? discussing parts of the bible where God is said to have intervened is not the time to start arguing about things not lining up with science. If you were to take a step back and look at your argument you would see that it seems like quite a foolish angle to take.

This thread is about the bible. My only purpose is to show that certain parts in the bible are scientifically impossible. If you believe these things, then DO NOT believe in science and disregard logic and reason.

Your calling MY argument FOOLISH???

How am I the foolish one? It seems to me that myself and Droopy are the only ones on this thread that are acting RATIONAL and LOGICAL.

I am not the one who believes in these SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE things. I am not the one who believes in magical acts of insanity. I am not the one who contridicts myself. No, I am the one who listens and learns from the laws of science. The same laws that have NEVER been broken, ever.

 

[mcell]

@ HERESY,

I MIGHT REPLY AND DEMOLISH EVERYTHING ELSE YOU POSTED.....

Dissect it, and give some references because i wanna read up on it. I just got my library card at delta college and im going crazy from all the books i wanna read.

i just read Lincoln the Unknown by dale carnegie in two days. It was pretty good. Now im on to Sun Tzu The Art Of War, just picked it up today. But......Im interested in the subjects of this thread also. References, or direction would be a big help now that I have access to a big library.

 

[Hit The Blunt]

"If you believe these things, then DO NOT believe in science and disregard logic and reason."

It is not logical to require that an intervention by God be explained by science. In fact, logic would tell you that God's intervention WOULD NOT be explained by science.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

It is however irational to believe in things without supporting evidence.:dead:

 

[miggidy]

Neanderthals sophisticated? No, not really. Could they speak? No one is sure for certain, some believe they could make some noises but almost everybody agrees that they did not have the brain power to communicate, as far as a language goes.

Were they humans? No, but they were the closest relatives to the modern human.

They had tools, and it appears that they performed ceremonies for their deceased.
Are you telling me they did this with out speach?

As far as the UFO's go, it still does not go against the laws of physics.

If you are suggesting that UFO's can appear or disappear at will? Well that doesn’t necessarily go against physics. Any physicists will tell you that it surely is possible in theory to do this. The US Air force is currently working on types of material that they can use for planes that appear "invisible" in the sky. That technology is quite possibly right around the corner.

I think you need to do some quick research on declassified UFO information.

 

[miggidy]

Back to the bible, you seem to have a lot of arguments that basically say "Everything bad about Christianity is the fault of people. But God and Jesus are a-ok!" But everything we know about God and Jesus has already gone through people with pens, so basically people has always corrupted the religion.

People have corrupted themselves.
The scripture remains the same....

Noah :
"The story of Noah and his Ark is related to the Sumerian myth of a great flood. In the sumerian myth the man is named Ziusudra. Over time the myth spread westward until it ended up in the Jewish belief system. (A process known as Syncretism). "

Why can't it be that Genesis is the original scripture that everyone else borrowed from?
Go and find what the Turkish government is gaurding by Mount Ararat....

The story of Exodus from egypt :
"No doubt that the writer of the story, or people who had an influence had been to egypt because many references were to real events in egypt. However, despite the huge calamities supposedly inflicted upon the Egyptians there is only one mention of Jews in all of the extensive writings of the Egyptians, and that is on a stone of Pharoh Sheshonk (the Biblical Shishak), simply mentioning a tribe called Israelites. Moreover, the story of a baby put in the nile and rescued, and then leading "his people" out of egypt was a popular myth around the Levant for over 500 years before the Jews started believing it. "

That's what they love to say, but they can never back it up.
Where is there proof that the baby in the Nile river was a popular myth hundreds of years before Exodus?
This claim is very similar to the one that certain people make up about Jesus. That Jesus is only a myth influenced by other myths before him.
Tell that to early Jewish historians....

Satan :
"The concept of Satan and hell are Zoroastrian (a Persian religion) in origin. The Jews originally had no concept of hell, or as Satan the adversary. Zoroastrianism preached that all people's had free will. That everyone had a choice between the forces of good (those of Ahura Mazda) and of evil (Ahriman) and Ahriman was a devil character. In the end fable of Zoroastrianism the world faced an apocalypse where good defeated evil in a battle involving angels. The Jews who had been forcibly removed from the last two tribes in the kingdom of Judea by the invading Assyrians, and moved to Babylon (c. 600 B.C.) came into contact with these ideas. Afterwards, when they returned Satan went from being one of god's workers (see the Book of Job) to being an enemy working against god. And the idea of heaven and hell started to take root among some small groups of Jews. The most notable group of Jews who were influenced by this were the early Christian sects. Which then became a religion for everyone, not just Jews, hence the religious world we live in today."

The Jews had no concept of hell? WTF????
That there doesn't even make sense.
The concept of "Jews" came out of the Old Testiment in the first place. Along with hell and Satan....
Come on bro, you gotta read the scripture.
Who ever came up with these ideas does not have a clear picture of the Old Testament.
Everyone knows Satan was an elite angel who became envious of God..... The Jews were well aware that Satan was the same Snake in the garden of Eden.
Satan, Lucifer, AKA The Great Deciever....

God :
"Yahweh(later Jehovah, or just plain god), originally just called Yah (which is why you say Hallelujah, it means praise be unto yah), evolved out of the Canaanite pantheon. While the bible lists Baal as a false god in some of the later books, originally they were one and the same. Jews started out as a polytheistic cult. Originally, among the Jews, who were but one sect living in Canaan. The Jews, like the other Canaanites worshiped El the supreme god, and even more worshiped Baal(also called Bel). Over time the people came to believe in a number of manifestations of Baal called the Baalim, one of them called Yahweh. As happens in history over time one god takes precedent and Yahweh became a sort of chief deity.

As this evolved other gods were worship alongside Yahweh. Among caves in the dead see we have found pottery with figures of Yahweh (at that time depicted visually) and Ashtarte. Ashtarte was a godess at the time worshipped as Yahweh's consort. Archaeologists have found many shrines dedicated to her worship inside Jewish Shrines. Even the decalogue (ten commandments) does not deny other god's, it simply states the Yahweh is first "Thou shalt hold no god before me". Jews adhered to that believing that Yahweh was the chief god. By about 800 B.C. though, the trend towards monotheism had pushed farther, with the Prophets Hosea and others purging priests who worshiped other gods, thus completing a trend lasting some 1500 years."

Why is it that some people cannot seperate Molech and Yahweh?
Yahweh commanded Joshua and the Isrealites to destroy the Canaanites along with their idols. Yahweh strictly and specifically warned the Isrealites not to worship this decieving Molech idol....
There is archeological evidence supporting this biblical claim....
****Continued****

 

[miggidy]

Jesus :
"It is not like one day everyone was using the old Roman system and then everyone used A.D., it slowly came into formal use. B.C. as everyone knows means before Christ. A.D. however, does not mean after death like many people think. After all it would make no sense if it was before Christ one year, and after death the next, considering he lived into his 30's according to biblical passages. A.D. in fact, stands for Anno Domini, Latin meaning "The Year of Our Lord", denoting the Christian era. That being said, Christ was not born in the year 1 A.D. (There was no year zero). Due to descriptions of political circumstances given, Christ was almost certainly born in the year 4 B.C. the date of 1 A.D. was a miscalculation by Byzantine scholars in the 7th and 8th centuries A.D.

There are a number of problems however. For one the New Testament claims that the reason they returned to Bethlehem was because of the census, that all persons were required to return to the town of their birth. There is a little problem with this. First, there was no census in the year 4 B.C., nor one in the year 1 A.D. In fact the only census that it could have been was the census in 14 A.D. Moreover, no census in the Roman world, indeed any ancient census ever required people to return to the town of their birth, an impossibility in the ancient world, also one without little reason. The reason for this addition in the bible? It is quite simple. You often hear Jesus referred to as Jesus of Nazareth? Why? Because he was really born in the town of Nazareth. However, long before the birth of Jesus one of the prophecies of the messiah was that he would be born in Bethlehem, so the story of the census was added to place Joseph, Mary, and the baby Jesus at Bethlehem.

Did you know that the earliest census that's been documented outside the biblical world has been documented by Jewish historian Josephus?
And guess what date he recorded it took place on?
6 A.D.....
The book of Luke states that Joseph, and Mary participated in governor Quirinius' FIRST census....

And by the way, the bible never said Jesus was born on 1 A.D....

Another interesting note. Jesus was not called Jesus, or any version of the word. Jesus was in fact called Joshua, or rather the Aramaic version of that name, the everyday speech of the people in the region. Jesus would have been called Yehshuah. The name Jesus Christ is another Greek origin, since the New Testament was originally written in ancient Greek, then used along with Latin by the many learned people through the empire. Jesus comes from the Greek Iasu (Greeks had no letter J, the letter I was used instead) meaning healer, and Christos meant the anointed one, a phrase used commonly for priests and other important people. Therefore Jesus Christ was not so much a name as a title."

And your point is what?
Everyone knows what Jesus's real name is.
Well maybe not everyone, tell this to the Catholics and Protestants.

And finally!

Homosexuality :
"Certain persons of a right wing persuasion use the book of Leviticus to say that god is against homosexuality "Thou shalt not lie in bed with mankind like thou liest in bed with womankind..." However, up until this time, and indeed even after homosexuality was not just a tolerated, it was a social norm. The Jews shared a common thing that much of the ancient world had, including the Greeks and the Romans, one could indulge in homosexuality if you will, without being considered homosexual, and still have wives and such on the side. It was not just something a few people did, but most men. Morever, prostitution was not only indulged in, it was sacred. Like many near eastern religions, the Jews had not only secular prostitutes, but also temple prostitutes. The ancients thought that the orgasmic feelings of sex brought one closer to the gods (or god). The Jews not only had temple prostitutes, they had homosexual temple prostitutes. However, around the time of Leviticus it became necessary to raise the birth rate, so homosexuality became a very undesirable thing, hence it became "bad" in the eyes of god. However, temple prostitution and temple homosexuality were still considered legit even after Leviticus because it was in the temple, it was only after a process of fading out after a few hundred years did it disappear altogether"

Ok now this is starting to get amusing.
When you say the Jews, who are you talking about?
Because you are describing the actions of the Canaanites.
It was the Canaanites who were screwing everything with a hole.
God made it very clear to the Isrealites this Canaanite activity along with many others was WRONG.
There is no evidence to support that Jews endulged in homosexuality prior to arriving at the promised land.
He made it very clear right there, do not do as they do....
And what did they do? The Canaanites did as those who were killed during the great flood.....

 

[miggidy]

^^^ The splitting of the sea does rather sound unheard of and impossible!

Actually the Science Channel had a special that talked about how many biblical claims can actually be explained.
The chances are very very slim, but parting the Red Sea is possible. But impossible to occur at the right place and at the right time....

 

[miggidy]

It is however irational to believe in things without supporting evidence.:dead:

That's your problem bro,
you cannot take someone's word for it.
You have to see it with your own eyes in order to believe it.

Not a bad thing, but not always a good thing....

 

[HERESY]

Well, you did NOT supply me with much information, besides CHINA and LARGER bones.

START WITH GIGANTOPITHECUS (SOME DEBATE IF IT WAS A "PRIMATE" OR MAN). AFTER THAT LOOK INTO MEGANTHROPUS.

That is not a very good answer. Care to back this statement up with some numbers? Or how about commenting on my statements and notes I provided regarding carbon dating?

1.IN REGARDS TO CARBON DATING I READ 3 DIFFERENT VIEWS IN 5 MINUTES.

30,000 YEARS

50,000 YEARS

70,000 YEARS

THE FACT THAT A "MULTIREGIONAL" THEORY EXISTS SHOULD GIVE INSIGHT AS TO HOW DIFFERENT SCIENTIST VIEW DATING (NOT TO MENTION WHERE MAN EVOLVED FROM).

A PRIME EXAMPLE OF CARBON DATING DISPUTES WOULD BE THE SHROUD OF TURIN...


:H:

 

[2-0-Sixx]

They had tools, and it appears that they performed ceremonies for their deceased.
Are you telling me they did this with out speach?

Yes, they used very unintelligible tools, such as rocks. As far as ceremonies go, please provide me with information that suggests they had ceremonies.

I don’t understand where you are getting at with the Neanderthals; they are in favor of evolution.

"I think you need to do some quick research on declassified UFO information. "

Why? I never said I don’t believe in UFO's.

 

[miggidy]

^^^^
Look into unearthed Neanderthal communities.
Specifically, burial sites....

I said you should look into declassified UFO documents to find out more about their physics defying nature....

 

[2-0-Sixx]

START WITH GIGANTOPITHECUS (SOME DEBATE IF IT WAS A "PRIMATE" OR MAN). AFTER THAT LOOK INTO MEGANTHROPUS.

1.IN REGARDS TO CARBON DATING I READ 3 DIFFERENT VIEWS IN 5 MINUTES.

30,000 YEARS

50,000 YEARS

70,000 YEARS

How reliable were each of those sources?

Even if we take the lowest, 30,000 years, that still destroys the 6,000 year old earth theory as well as the 900 year old men.

START WITH GIGANTOPITHECUS (SOME DEBATE IF IT WAS A "PRIMATE" OR MAN). AFTER THAT LOOK INTO MEGANTHROPUS

What is your point??? I am well aware of these extinct relatives of man.

A PRIME EXAMPLE OF CARBON DATING DISPUTES WOULD BE THE SHROUD OF TURIN...

Oh please. This was a great piece for the theists, but unfortunately it has been PROVEN A HOAX.

Its amusing to me that if those tests results were in favor of this being authentic, you theists would claim this as PROOF.

 

[phil]

see 20sixx, now you know how i feel dealing with liberals on these boards. theres just no logic.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

see 20sixx, now you know how i feel dealing with liberals on these boards. theres just no logic.

The difference is I'm debating whats real and whats not, facts vs. myth. You debating liberals is a difference in philosophy.