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If this were true, and humans once lived over 200 years, where are these super-humans skeletons? If we can find fossils of Dinasours, SURELY we can find skeletons of recent humans.
The truth is that evidence unearthed so far indicates that prehistoric man had a very short live span compared to ours. The consensus of experts who have examined prehistoric humans is that 40 was a ripe old age.
"In February 1992, the wire services reported the discovery of a cemetery near Giza, Egypt, that dated from the 26th to the 21st century B. C., so the people buried in it would have been contemporaries of the ante and postdiluvians who had routinely lived from 175 to 900+ years. However, expert examination of the skeletal remains in this cemetery revealed that those who had lived the longest had died in their midthirties. Isn't that curious? Just a few miles to the northeast, people were enjoying life spans measured in centuries, but their Egyptian contemporaries could manage to hang on for only a few decades. When will Bible fundamentalists come forward with fossilized "missing links" that will fill in the gaps between present day life spans and those that presumably existed in anteand postdiluvian times?"
The truth is that evidence unearthed so far indicates that prehistoric man had a very short live span compared to ours. The consensus of experts who have examined prehistoric humans is that 40 was a ripe old age.
"In February 1992, the wire services reported the discovery of a cemetery near Giza, Egypt, that dated from the 26th to the 21st century B. C., so the people buried in it would have been contemporaries of the ante and postdiluvians who had routinely lived from 175 to 900+ years. However, expert examination of the skeletal remains in this cemetery revealed that those who had lived the longest had died in their midthirties. Isn't that curious? Just a few miles to the northeast, people were enjoying life spans measured in centuries, but their Egyptian contemporaries could manage to hang on for only a few decades. When will Bible fundamentalists come forward with fossilized "missing links" that will fill in the gaps between present day life spans and those that presumably existed in anteand postdiluvian times?"
Well, if thats the case then why believe in anything? Disregard ALL of Math and ALL of physics, because these things are the only things availble that can tell us what is and what isn't.
If you want to believe that god opened up the gates and poured water on earth, then why not believe that I can magically disapear and reapear?
Maybe I will float over to your house and show you that even if water was "poured" onto our tiny little planet, the water would remain here. It cant just disapear.
Unless of course, after the flood God opened up earths top and sucked all the extra water out with a giant straw.
If you want to believe that god opened up the gates and poured water on earth, then why not believe that I can magically disapear and reapear?
Maybe I will float over to your house and show you that even if water was "poured" onto our tiny little planet, the water would remain here. It cant just disapear.
Unless of course, after the flood God opened up earths top and sucked all the extra water out with a giant straw.
Unidentified Flying Objects.
10% of reported sightings, pictures, and video shots are genuine.
And remember, a UFO isn't just "anything" like some here have said in the past. If that were the case, these objects would've been identified.
UFO's are real! I can't emphasise this enough, people are still stuck on that scifi shit.
Our government has gone out and actually declassified "some" info regarding this phenomenon.
Do a quick search on the CIA's web page....
Why do I bring this up?
Because these "UFO's" defy what we know scientifically, thus far.
"Thus far" is the key phrase....
UFO's was just an example.
There is "other" phenomenon as well.
Look into the CIA's research over at Stanford Research Institute (SRI). Their research turned science upside down on its head....
10% of reported sightings, pictures, and video shots are genuine.
And remember, a UFO isn't just "anything" like some here have said in the past. If that were the case, these objects would've been identified.
UFO's are real! I can't emphasise this enough, people are still stuck on that scifi shit.
Our government has gone out and actually declassified "some" info regarding this phenomenon.
Do a quick search on the CIA's web page....
Why do I bring this up?
Because these "UFO's" defy what we know scientifically, thus far.
"Thus far" is the key phrase....
UFO's was just an example.
There is "other" phenomenon as well.
Look into the CIA's research over at Stanford Research Institute (SRI). Their research turned science upside down on its head....
Carbon dating is very accurate in fact.
The disbutes aren't whether or not carbon dating works or not, its whether or not it is highly accurate after 50,000 years ago.
Since it is accurate before then, this will destroy not only the idea that the earth is 6,000 years old, but also if humans lived 900 years or more.
Here are some notes I found on a physics website,
"Optimum accuracy of Carbon-14 is obtained when dating a sample age
between 0.5 and 3.5 half-lives of the crucial radioactive decay. The
half life of carbon-14 is 5730 years, so Carbon-14 dating is most
accurate on samples between 2865 and 20,000 years old (+/- 4% accuracy).
After the equivalent of 10 half lives, there's too little carbon to
measure accurately, so carbon-14 dating on samples over, roughly, 55,000
years are unreliable and *using other elements, with a longer half-life,
will be more precise*.
"
The disbutes aren't whether or not carbon dating works or not, its whether or not it is highly accurate after 50,000 years ago.
Since it is accurate before then, this will destroy not only the idea that the earth is 6,000 years old, but also if humans lived 900 years or more.
Here are some notes I found on a physics website,
"Optimum accuracy of Carbon-14 is obtained when dating a sample age
between 0.5 and 3.5 half-lives of the crucial radioactive decay. The
half life of carbon-14 is 5730 years, so Carbon-14 dating is most
accurate on samples between 2865 and 20,000 years old (+/- 4% accuracy).
After the equivalent of 10 half lives, there's too little carbon to
measure accurately, so carbon-14 dating on samples over, roughly, 55,000
years are unreliable and *using other elements, with a longer half-life,
will be more precise*.
"
2-0,
UFO's are solid objects that are known materialize out of no where and then dematerialize.
Their flying patterns are impossible for any solid object, but yet it's there.
As for carbon dating, yeah there's a few skeptics out there from all sorts of backgrounds.
About the large bones in China.
I think Heresy's reffering to the first findings of Neanderthals.
They were at first thought to be remains of larger humans.
Later some evolutionists concluded that the bones were closer to the ape family.
But I thought I heard recently that further studies have shown that Neanderthals are more than likely human.
We know that they were very sophisticated, they were able to speak, made their own tools, and even had their own religion.
Don't sound like apes to me....
UFO's are solid objects that are known materialize out of no where and then dematerialize.
Their flying patterns are impossible for any solid object, but yet it's there.
As for carbon dating, yeah there's a few skeptics out there from all sorts of backgrounds.
About the large bones in China.
I think Heresy's reffering to the first findings of Neanderthals.
They were at first thought to be remains of larger humans.
Later some evolutionists concluded that the bones were closer to the ape family.
But I thought I heard recently that further studies have shown that Neanderthals are more than likely human.
We know that they were very sophisticated, they were able to speak, made their own tools, and even had their own religion.
Don't sound like apes to me....
Neanderthals sophisticated? No, not really. Could they speak? No one is sure for certain, some believe they could make some noises but almost everybody agrees that they did not have the brain power to communicate, as far as a language goes.
Were they humans? No, but they were the closest relatives to the modern human.
As far as the UFO's go, it still does not go against the laws of physics.
If you are suggesting that UFO's can appear or disappear at will? Well that doesn’t necessarily go against physics. Any physicists will tell you that it surely is possible in theory to do this. The US Air force is currently working on types of material that they can use for planes that appear "invisible" in the sky. That technology is quite possibly right around the corner.
Were they humans? No, but they were the closest relatives to the modern human.
As far as the UFO's go, it still does not go against the laws of physics.
If you are suggesting that UFO's can appear or disappear at will? Well that doesn’t necessarily go against physics. Any physicists will tell you that it surely is possible in theory to do this. The US Air force is currently working on types of material that they can use for planes that appear "invisible" in the sky. That technology is quite possibly right around the corner.
Back to the bible, you seem to have a lot of arguments that basically say "Everything bad about Christianity is the fault of people. But God and Jesus are a-ok!" But everything we know about God and Jesus has already gone through people with pens, so basically people has always corrupted the religion.
And read up on Mithraism.
Some more info i have gathered from a friend studying History at the University i'm at :
Noah :
"The story of Noah and his Ark is related to the Sumerian myth of a great flood. In the sumerian myth the man is named Ziusudra. Over time the myth spread westward until it ended up in the Jewish belief system. (A process known as Syncretism). "
The story of Exodus from egypt :
"No doubt that the writer of the story, or people who had an influence had been to egypt because many references were to real events in egypt. However, despite the huge calamities supposedly inflicted upon the Egyptians there is only one mention of Jews in all of the extensive writings of the Egyptians, and that is on a stone of Pharoh Sheshonk (the Biblical Shishak), simply mentioning a tribe called Israelites. Moreover, the story of a baby put in the nile and rescued, and then leading "his people" out of egypt was a popular myth around the Levant for over 500 years before the Jews started believing it. "
Satan :
"The concept of Satan and hell are Zoroastrian (a Persian religion) in origin. The Jews originally had no concept of hell, or as Satan the adversary. Zoroastrianism preached that all people's had free will. That everyone had a choice between the forces of good (those of Ahura Mazda) and of evil (Ahriman) and Ahriman was a devil character. In the end fable of Zoroastrianism the world faced an apocalypse where good defeated evil in a battle involving angels. The Jews who had been forcibly removed from the last two tribes in the kingdom of Judea by the invading Assyrians, and moved to Babylon (c. 600 B.C.) came into contact with these ideas. Afterwards, when they returned Satan went from being one of god's workers (see the Book of Job) to being an enemy working against god. And the idea of heaven and hell started to take root among some small groups of Jews. The most notable group of Jews who were influenced by this were the early Christian sects. Which then became a religion for everyone, not just Jews, hence the religious world we live in today."
God :
"Yahweh(later Jehovah, or just plain god), originally just called Yah (which is why you say Hallelujah, it means praise be unto yah), evolved out of the Canaanite pantheon. While the bible lists Baal as a false god in some of the later books, originally they were one and the same. Jews started out as a polytheistic cult. Originally, among the Jews, who were but one sect living in Canaan. The Jews, like the other Canaanites worshiped El the supreme god, and even more worshiped Baal(also called Bel). Over time the people came to believe in a number of manifestations of Baal called the Baalim, one of them called Yahweh. As happens in history over time one god takes precedent and Yahweh became a sort of chief deity.
As this evolved other gods were worship alongside Yahweh. Among caves in the dead see we have found pottery with figures of Yahweh (at that time depicted visually) and Ashtarte. Ashtarte was a godess at the time worshipped as Yahweh's consort. Archaeologists have found many shrines dedicated to her worship inside Jewish Shrines. Even the decalogue (ten commandments) does not deny other god's, it simply states the Yahweh is first "Thou shalt hold no god before me". Jews adhered to that believing that Yahweh was the chief god. By about 800 B.C. though, the trend towards monotheism had pushed farther, with the Prophets Hosea and others purging priests who worshiped other gods, thus completing a trend lasting some 1500 years."
Jesus :
"It is not like one day everyone was using the old Roman system and then everyone used A.D., it slowly came into formal use. B.C. as everyone knows means before Christ. A.D. however, does not mean after death like many people think. After all it would make no sense if it was before Christ one year, and after death the next, considering he lived into his 30's according to biblical passages. A.D. in fact, stands for Anno Domini, Latin meaning "The Year of Our Lord", denoting the Christian era. That being said, Christ was not born in the year 1 A.D. (There was no year zero). Due to descriptions of political circumstances given, Christ was almost certainly born in the year 4 B.C. the date of 1 A.D. was a miscalculation by Byzantine scholars in the 7th and 8th centuries A.D.
There are a number of problems however. For one the New Testament claims that the reason they returned to Bethlehem was because of the census, that all persons were required to return to the town of their birth. There is a little problem with this. First, there was no census in the year 4 B.C., nor one in the year 1 A.D. In fact the only census that it could have been was the census in 14 A.D. Moreover, no census in the Roman world, indeed any ancient census ever required people to return to the town of their birth, an impossibility in the ancient world, also one without little reason. The reason for this addition in the bible? It is quite simple. You often hear Jesus referred to as Jesus of Nazareth? Why? Because he was really born in the town of Nazareth. However, long before the birth of Jesus one of the prophecies of the messiah was that he would be born in Bethlehem, so the story of the census was added to place Joseph, Mary, and the baby Jesus at Bethlehem.
Another interesting note. Jesus was not called Jesus, or any version of the word. Jesus was in fact called Joshua, or rather the Aramaic version of that name, the everyday speech of the people in the region. Jesus would have been called Yehshuah. The name Jesus Christ is another Greek origin, since the New Testament was originally written in ancient Greek, then used along with Latin by the many learned people through the empire. Jesus comes from the Greek Iasu (Greeks had no letter J, the letter I was used instead) meaning healer, and Christos meant the anointed one, a phrase used commonly for priests and other important people. Therefore Jesus Christ was not so much a name as a title."
And finally!
Homosexuality :
"Certain persons of a right wing persuasion use the book of Leviticus to say that god is against homosexuality "Thou shalt not lie in bed with mankind like thou liest in bed with womankind..." However, up until this time, and indeed even after homosexuality was not just a tolerated, it was a social norm. The Jews shared a common thing that much of the ancient world had, including the Greeks and the Romans, one could indulge in homosexuality if you will, without being considered homosexual, and still have wives and such on the side. It was not just something a few people did, but most men. Morever, prostitution was not only indulged in, it was sacred. Like many near eastern religions, the Jews had not only secular prostitutes, but also temple prostitutes. The ancients thought that the orgasmic feelings of sex brought one closer to the gods (or god). The Jews not only had temple prostitutes, they had homosexual temple prostitutes. However, around the time of Leviticus it became necessary to raise the birth rate, so homosexuality became a very undesirable thing, hence it became "bad" in the eyes of god. However, temple prostitution and temple homosexuality were still considered legit even after Leviticus because it was in the temple, it was only after a process of fading out after a few hundred years did it disappear altogether"
And read up on Mithraism.
Some more info i have gathered from a friend studying History at the University i'm at :
Noah :
"The story of Noah and his Ark is related to the Sumerian myth of a great flood. In the sumerian myth the man is named Ziusudra. Over time the myth spread westward until it ended up in the Jewish belief system. (A process known as Syncretism). "
The story of Exodus from egypt :
"No doubt that the writer of the story, or people who had an influence had been to egypt because many references were to real events in egypt. However, despite the huge calamities supposedly inflicted upon the Egyptians there is only one mention of Jews in all of the extensive writings of the Egyptians, and that is on a stone of Pharoh Sheshonk (the Biblical Shishak), simply mentioning a tribe called Israelites. Moreover, the story of a baby put in the nile and rescued, and then leading "his people" out of egypt was a popular myth around the Levant for over 500 years before the Jews started believing it. "
Satan :
"The concept of Satan and hell are Zoroastrian (a Persian religion) in origin. The Jews originally had no concept of hell, or as Satan the adversary. Zoroastrianism preached that all people's had free will. That everyone had a choice between the forces of good (those of Ahura Mazda) and of evil (Ahriman) and Ahriman was a devil character. In the end fable of Zoroastrianism the world faced an apocalypse where good defeated evil in a battle involving angels. The Jews who had been forcibly removed from the last two tribes in the kingdom of Judea by the invading Assyrians, and moved to Babylon (c. 600 B.C.) came into contact with these ideas. Afterwards, when they returned Satan went from being one of god's workers (see the Book of Job) to being an enemy working against god. And the idea of heaven and hell started to take root among some small groups of Jews. The most notable group of Jews who were influenced by this were the early Christian sects. Which then became a religion for everyone, not just Jews, hence the religious world we live in today."
God :
"Yahweh(later Jehovah, or just plain god), originally just called Yah (which is why you say Hallelujah, it means praise be unto yah), evolved out of the Canaanite pantheon. While the bible lists Baal as a false god in some of the later books, originally they were one and the same. Jews started out as a polytheistic cult. Originally, among the Jews, who were but one sect living in Canaan. The Jews, like the other Canaanites worshiped El the supreme god, and even more worshiped Baal(also called Bel). Over time the people came to believe in a number of manifestations of Baal called the Baalim, one of them called Yahweh. As happens in history over time one god takes precedent and Yahweh became a sort of chief deity.
As this evolved other gods were worship alongside Yahweh. Among caves in the dead see we have found pottery with figures of Yahweh (at that time depicted visually) and Ashtarte. Ashtarte was a godess at the time worshipped as Yahweh's consort. Archaeologists have found many shrines dedicated to her worship inside Jewish Shrines. Even the decalogue (ten commandments) does not deny other god's, it simply states the Yahweh is first "Thou shalt hold no god before me". Jews adhered to that believing that Yahweh was the chief god. By about 800 B.C. though, the trend towards monotheism had pushed farther, with the Prophets Hosea and others purging priests who worshiped other gods, thus completing a trend lasting some 1500 years."
Jesus :
"It is not like one day everyone was using the old Roman system and then everyone used A.D., it slowly came into formal use. B.C. as everyone knows means before Christ. A.D. however, does not mean after death like many people think. After all it would make no sense if it was before Christ one year, and after death the next, considering he lived into his 30's according to biblical passages. A.D. in fact, stands for Anno Domini, Latin meaning "The Year of Our Lord", denoting the Christian era. That being said, Christ was not born in the year 1 A.D. (There was no year zero). Due to descriptions of political circumstances given, Christ was almost certainly born in the year 4 B.C. the date of 1 A.D. was a miscalculation by Byzantine scholars in the 7th and 8th centuries A.D.
There are a number of problems however. For one the New Testament claims that the reason they returned to Bethlehem was because of the census, that all persons were required to return to the town of their birth. There is a little problem with this. First, there was no census in the year 4 B.C., nor one in the year 1 A.D. In fact the only census that it could have been was the census in 14 A.D. Moreover, no census in the Roman world, indeed any ancient census ever required people to return to the town of their birth, an impossibility in the ancient world, also one without little reason. The reason for this addition in the bible? It is quite simple. You often hear Jesus referred to as Jesus of Nazareth? Why? Because he was really born in the town of Nazareth. However, long before the birth of Jesus one of the prophecies of the messiah was that he would be born in Bethlehem, so the story of the census was added to place Joseph, Mary, and the baby Jesus at Bethlehem.
Another interesting note. Jesus was not called Jesus, or any version of the word. Jesus was in fact called Joshua, or rather the Aramaic version of that name, the everyday speech of the people in the region. Jesus would have been called Yehshuah. The name Jesus Christ is another Greek origin, since the New Testament was originally written in ancient Greek, then used along with Latin by the many learned people through the empire. Jesus comes from the Greek Iasu (Greeks had no letter J, the letter I was used instead) meaning healer, and Christos meant the anointed one, a phrase used commonly for priests and other important people. Therefore Jesus Christ was not so much a name as a title."
And finally!
Homosexuality :
"Certain persons of a right wing persuasion use the book of Leviticus to say that god is against homosexuality "Thou shalt not lie in bed with mankind like thou liest in bed with womankind..." However, up until this time, and indeed even after homosexuality was not just a tolerated, it was a social norm. The Jews shared a common thing that much of the ancient world had, including the Greeks and the Romans, one could indulge in homosexuality if you will, without being considered homosexual, and still have wives and such on the side. It was not just something a few people did, but most men. Morever, prostitution was not only indulged in, it was sacred. Like many near eastern religions, the Jews had not only secular prostitutes, but also temple prostitutes. The ancients thought that the orgasmic feelings of sex brought one closer to the gods (or god). The Jews not only had temple prostitutes, they had homosexual temple prostitutes. However, around the time of Leviticus it became necessary to raise the birth rate, so homosexuality became a very undesirable thing, hence it became "bad" in the eyes of god. However, temple prostitution and temple homosexuality were still considered legit even after Leviticus because it was in the temple, it was only after a process of fading out after a few hundred years did it disappear altogether"