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ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION? *WESTCOAST VIEWPOINT*
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We give Isreal seven million dollars a day. They purchase weapons and when they are done with them sell them to Africans to fuck each other off. What a nice cycle of my fuckin tax dollars.
America needs to focus on building the skills and technology of our workforce up to compete in a global market. that is why we are losing, our products are not worth shit. not because undocumented workers are picking fucking fruit. Their kids should have the same opportunity. No one should be shut out of economic prosperity due to the color of their skin.
Black Americans should be looking to Africa to build economic prosperity. Africa is developing similar to mexico. you could become a millionaire there selling used toilets, sinks, washers/dryers, clothes etc like people here do in Mexico. You can get dual citizenship in ghana and their national language is English.
i read the autobiography of Delfina Cuero in Cultural Anthropology class years ago. It's about a native american woman who lived in san diego for parts of the season. Her people also moved to Mexico to gather food for half of the season. They locked her in Mexico. Off of her land because of immigration status???
America needs to focus on building the skills and technology of our workforce up to compete in a global market. that is why we are losing, our products are not worth shit. not because undocumented workers are picking fucking fruit. Their kids should have the same opportunity. No one should be shut out of economic prosperity due to the color of their skin.
Black Americans should be looking to Africa to build economic prosperity. Africa is developing similar to mexico. you could become a millionaire there selling used toilets, sinks, washers/dryers, clothes etc like people here do in Mexico. You can get dual citizenship in ghana and their national language is English.
i read the autobiography of Delfina Cuero in Cultural Anthropology class years ago. It's about a native american woman who lived in san diego for parts of the season. Her people also moved to Mexico to gather food for half of the season. They locked her in Mexico. Off of her land because of immigration status???
SOME SHIT THAT WAS POSTED ON YAHOO .. DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER REDRUM & IM NOT SAYIN I TOTALLY AGREE WIT THIS BUT I FIGURED ID POST IT
If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard
labor.
If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Afghan border illegally, you get shot.
If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally you will be jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may never be heard from
again.
If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy
and your fate will be sealed.
If you cross the Mexican borders illegally you will jailed for two years.
If you cross the Cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political
prison to rot.
If you cross the United States border illegally you get:
1 - A job
2 - A driver's license
3 - A Social Security card
4 - Welfare
5 - Food stamps
6 - Credit cards
7 - Subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house
8 - Free education
9 - Free health care
10 - A lobbyist in Washington
11 - Billions of dollars in public documents printed in your language
12 - Millions of servicemen and women who are willing to - and do - die
for your right to the ways and means of our constitution
13 - And the right to carry the flag of your country - the one you walked
out on - while you call America racist and protest that you don't get
enough respect.
If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years hard
labor.
If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Afghan border illegally, you get shot.
If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally you will be jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may never be heard from
again.
If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy
and your fate will be sealed.
If you cross the Mexican borders illegally you will jailed for two years.
If you cross the Cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political
prison to rot.
If you cross the United States border illegally you get:
1 - A job
2 - A driver's license
3 - A Social Security card
4 - Welfare
5 - Food stamps
6 - Credit cards
7 - Subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house
8 - Free education
9 - Free health care
10 - A lobbyist in Washington
11 - Billions of dollars in public documents printed in your language
12 - Millions of servicemen and women who are willing to - and do - die
for your right to the ways and means of our constitution
13 - And the right to carry the flag of your country - the one you walked
out on - while you call America racist and protest that you don't get
enough respect.
Focusing on the "illegals taking jobs" argument is almost like straw man hyperbole because it is only spotlighting one facet of the debate.
People choose to focus on that point because it is easily defended with perception rather than hard data and it lends an answer that supports their cause.
Would most Americans do the jobs that many illegals take when the arrive in the US?
-No
However, asking that question is ignoring the REAL issue that most US citizens wouldn't do that job that illegals do - for the wages they do it.
Most Americans would do those jobs if they paid more, and they would have to pay more if there wasn't a readily available supply of cheap labor.
Illegal immigrants increase the supply of cheap labor and therefore put downward pressure on wages in the US. It's simple supply and demand economics 101. The greater the labor force relative to available to jobs, the lower the wages will be.
The abundance of cheap labor had been a large factor in minimum wage not keeping pace with inflation.
To put it in very simple terms. If I have a job opening and am offering $10 per hour and no one takes it what do I do? Increase the offer to $12 per hour.
Now if in the same situation I receive a dozen offers what do I do next time I offer the position? Decrease the offer to $8 per hour.
The supply of workers puts downward pressure on wages, which negatively impact ALL working people illegal or legal.
In addition, from a simply altruistic POV, illegal immigrants are more exploitable then legal citizens both because of a lack of support and information, so many of them end up making below minimum wage and in some cases end up in modern day indentured servitude because they don't have the protections that legal citizens enjoy.
Many big business DO NOT support immigration reform. Why do you think that is? Because illegal immigration is good for big business.
People choose to focus on that point because it is easily defended with perception rather than hard data and it lends an answer that supports their cause.
Would most Americans do the jobs that many illegals take when the arrive in the US?
-No
However, asking that question is ignoring the REAL issue that most US citizens wouldn't do that job that illegals do - for the wages they do it.
Most Americans would do those jobs if they paid more, and they would have to pay more if there wasn't a readily available supply of cheap labor.
Illegal immigrants increase the supply of cheap labor and therefore put downward pressure on wages in the US. It's simple supply and demand economics 101. The greater the labor force relative to available to jobs, the lower the wages will be.
The abundance of cheap labor had been a large factor in minimum wage not keeping pace with inflation.
To put it in very simple terms. If I have a job opening and am offering $10 per hour and no one takes it what do I do? Increase the offer to $12 per hour.
Now if in the same situation I receive a dozen offers what do I do next time I offer the position? Decrease the offer to $8 per hour.
The supply of workers puts downward pressure on wages, which negatively impact ALL working people illegal or legal.
In addition, from a simply altruistic POV, illegal immigrants are more exploitable then legal citizens both because of a lack of support and information, so many of them end up making below minimum wage and in some cases end up in modern day indentured servitude because they don't have the protections that legal citizens enjoy.
Many big business DO NOT support immigration reform. Why do you think that is? Because illegal immigration is good for big business.
that is exactly what I've been saying!
and nobody has chosen to even address it... I guess there's no counter argument for it....
ON A SERIOUS TIP THO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WIT PEOPLE COMIN HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE YEA ITS A FEW BAD APPLES THAT SLIDE THRU BUT THATS LIFE GOOD COMES WITH THE BAD, I BEEN IN SUM RUFF PARTS OF TJ JUS ON SUM RANDOM SHIT CUZ I 2 SEE EVERYTHING. MY MAJOR IN COLLEGE IS HISTORY (AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY) BUT I TOOK SPANISH AMERICAN HISTORY & WORLD HISTORY CUZ ITS BEEN MY THING. I JUS FEEL LIKE IF AMERICANS HAVE TO HAVE IDs & SHIT, WHATS WRONG WIT HAVIN YA PAPERS? I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO U COULD GO TO MEXICO NO PROBLEM NOW U HAVE TO HAVE A BIRTH CETIFICATE & SHIT TO COME BACK, ITS LAW
Because i don't see the connection of how that is going to help the American Worker in a global economy. Our emphasis should be on partnering with Mexico and using Nafta like it should be used. Pushing out products that rival the chinese both in quality and price and this system will NOT do that. That is why we are getting our asses kicked. The American worker needs to have skills that are in demand. Small business drives this economy. The guy at the tire shop is not going to pay his helper $15 an hour. Capitalism is a dog eat dog world but I am sticking to the principals of a system I do not embrace wholly to make a point. We need to get competitive.
how can you say you don't see the connection?
you seem like a smart guy, so I'm sure you can comprehend the point that was being made... it's just simple economics
what you're proposing is a long term solution, which is fine, but you can't deny illegal immigrants are driving down wages
I'm not blaming the immigrants themselves... I'm blaming the companies who hire them, and the government for allowing them to walk in our country without gaining any type of documentation
and we all know how much power big businesses have in the country... which helps to explain why immigrants can come over here so easily
you seem like a smart guy, so I'm sure you can comprehend the point that was being made... it's just simple economics
what you're proposing is a long term solution, which is fine, but you can't deny illegal immigrants are driving down wages
I'm not blaming the immigrants themselves... I'm blaming the companies who hire them, and the government for allowing them to walk in our country without gaining any type of documentation
and we all know how much power big businesses have in the country... which helps to explain why immigrants can come over here so easily
I'm not saying the numbers do not add up. Like you said, I am proposing a long term solution and not putting a bandaid on a gun shot wound. we need to embrace economic creativity. All social service programs should be geared to social enterprises. We need to go green and get the fuck off foreign oil, oil period. The sun aint turning off anytime soon.
We are already not competitive. Look what happened to the car industry because of your method of economics. We are stuck in an economic paradym that is not congruent with the global economy the world wide web has contributed in making. We need to ensure we are developing talent in our schools and stop putting all that fucking money into prisons. Kids should leave high school with concrete skills. We cannot hold those kind of wages.
How about paying workers based on productivity not hours?
We are already not competitive. Look what happened to the car industry because of your method of economics. We are stuck in an economic paradym that is not congruent with the global economy the world wide web has contributed in making. We need to ensure we are developing talent in our schools and stop putting all that fucking money into prisons. Kids should leave high school with concrete skills. We cannot hold those kind of wages.
How about paying workers based on productivity not hours?
