Damn I've read some of the shit parkboyz has said and I have to admit that guy is a fucken idiot! He's probably been brain washed by his parents that the reason him and his family is so poor and most of his family is in prison is because of immigrants. What a dumbass! Don't blame immigrants for blacks not being able to make progress in this country. Either your on it or not in this country you gotta hustle. And your a fucken dumbass talking shit about farm workers. Its the pride that our grandfathers have that they dedicated their lifes to workin in the fields because it was the only work they would give them. But it doesn't matter to them because they see the bigger picture they know they will do everything and anything to have their children take advantage of the oppurtunities that this country gives. That's why they come here for a better life 4 their families. Basically all the immigrants in the 70's and 80's sacrificed their lifes workin in the fields so that the next generation would not settle 4 the fields now that they got their educations.
Illegal Immigrants Demand Citizenship
- Thread starter Lamberto Quintero
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I'm starting to believe that you don't understand economics and are arguing from an emotional perspective. I just gave you info in regards to how much is currently spent on produce and what would happen if illegal immigration were controlled. As far as what I've read, no one here is blaming illegal immigration for all of the economic woes in this country, so why should we discuss defense spending? Lets say that their was no problem with defense spending. Would we still have a problem with illegal immigration? Yes. Would it have an impact on our economy? That is up for debate. Would it have an impact on our ENVIRONMENT? YES! So as you can see, illegal immigration is not confined to one aspect of american stability.
Also, no one is saying that everyones income would go up at a specific time, but what do you expect to happen if 30-60% of the population were to climb the pverty level? Do you not realize that when they climb the poverty level they will be able to purchase more goods and services (kind of like a "trickle up economics" which would be the reverse of trickle down.)
Also, no one is saying that everyones income would go up at a specific time, but what do you expect to happen if 30-60% of the population were to climb the pverty level? Do you not realize that when they climb the poverty level they will be able to purchase more goods and services (kind of like a "trickle up economics" which would be the reverse of trickle down.)
I'm sorry you lost faith in me, but don't feel too bad about it, you're not your brother's keeper.. If you're Hispanic though maybe this is just a reactionary response due to cultural sensitivity, I sure wouldn't mind if you addressed where I spewed hate and/or had any of my facts mixed up.. Maybe you're just being biased, I'm almost sure of it because if you followed the chronology of the discussion, I wasn't the one who pulled the race card, 2 or 3 of your Hispanic friends did that, and I responded, my first priority is to right the wrongs and clear up any misconceptions about my people first, to be perfectly honest with you. I'm not going to just let anyone use the race card and get away with that with out brutally correcting them, I'm still young and don't practice or haven't mastered restraint yet, doesn't make anything I said ignorant.. Besides, I don't believe too many things that I've said was off the mark, this is just an emotional topic and maybe feelings get hurt when certain opinions are expressed. I haven't changed though.. You could at least give a solid critique of the content of my discussion instead of your hit-and-run personal criticism about "how much I've changed", or "regressed back to my old uneducated ways"..
I'm currently losing my job because I don't know enough Spanish. The irony. Why is that at local elementary schools you can learn English as a second language for free yet you have to pay to learn Spanish at junior colleges for the people that aren't illegal? Why is that I have to correct a few of my teachers on words that they can't say properly in English yet they're teaching me about education? You wouldn't believe how much illegals I see that own houses on the good side of town. A 4-bedroom, $650,000 house that an illegal can somehow afford yet I can't. I might as well have 5-6 illegals living with me in a 1 bedroom apartment until I save up all the money that they are paying me in rent and move into the suburbs in a year or two.
I do understand economics very well. However, I see the economic consequences of immigration as a small sacrifice when compared to the opportunities that many people are given to live a better life. And, if these people could somehow become legal workers, they could also be taxed and the economy would strive with them as much as it would with citizens working there, if not more.
And blaming immigrants for being the reason people don't climb the poverty level is retarded. There are many opportunities in this country for someone to make it, and blacks have a better opportunity than immigrants just because they have been here for many generations and are already accustomed to society and the way things are. Obviously, there is institutional racism that holds back anyone who is not white, but this has nothing to do with immigrants whatsoever.
And blaming immigrants for being the reason people don't climb the poverty level is retarded. There are many opportunities in this country for someone to make it, and blacks have a better opportunity than immigrants just because they have been here for many generations and are already accustomed to society and the way things are. Obviously, there is institutional racism that holds back anyone who is not white, but this has nothing to do with immigrants whatsoever.
Like I said, it's a harsh truth, just like it's a harsh truth that statistically the highest percentage of adult males in prison are African-American, just because it makes me feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it isn't true or reflects some sort of truth, we simply have to deal with it from a sociological standing.. Maybe I crossed the line by not being sensitive to other people's feelings, but Black people should have never been brought into the discussion, period..
In some cases this may be true. In cases where you have a single mother, 10 kids to feed, and have limited asistance it is going to be a bit hard.
For the same reason why illegals don't want to be law abiding citizens and go through the legal process of becoming a citizen.
Parkboyz gave his opinion.
They CAN become legal workers. They can go through the LEGAL PROCESS and become citizens. WHY should they be granted special privelages/ immunity/impunity?
Who is blaming immigrants for the reason why people don't climb the poverty line?
According to the research your view is not invalid.
No, I would say it leans towards institutional deviance and not racism.
For the same reason why illegals don't want to be law abiding citizens and go through the legal process of becoming a citizen.
Parkboyz gave his opinion.
They CAN become legal workers. They can go through the LEGAL PROCESS and become citizens. WHY should they be granted special privelages/ immunity/impunity?
Who is blaming immigrants for the reason why people don't climb the poverty line?
According to the research your view is not invalid.
No, I would say it leans towards institutional deviance and not racism.
I'm sorry, but that was bafoonish, I'm going to have to accuse you of intentionally distorting what I said in plain English, unless you really are remedial.. No one says blacks are predisposed or "prone" to do anything, I only gave you an extremely brief over view of stats, I haven't discussed the sociological aspects and conditions, and/or institutional racism/history that may play a factor in these stats.
" are you saying you agree and accept that African Americans are more prone to be criminals than anyone else in this country"
^This is the most gross distortion of a quote that I've ever seen..
Actually you did...
" are you saying you agree and accept that African Americans are more prone to be criminals than anyone else in this country"
^This is the most gross distortion of a quote that I've ever seen..
Actually you did...
One word: Abortions.
Really? Is there a ten year waiting list to go out and work in the fields?? LMAO!
True, irrelevent to you.
They can, but it's a process that takes up to ten years. That's way too long, so people risk their lives and get here illegally. Why should they be granted special privelages/immunity/impunity? Privelages, what ones? The privelage of picking everyone's food and washing everyone's dishes? Immunity from what, taxes? They still spend some money here, but the cheap labor they provide means a lot more to the economy than their tax money would if they were getting paid regular wages. And impunity, I don't think they should be punished because they aren't doing anything morally wrong, they are only working. I am not speaking on the actual criminals though, those ones should get sent back.
You didn't exactly place blame directly on immigrants, but you said that 30-60% of the population would climb the poverty line if they were kicked out. Does that not place blame on immigrants, according to you?
Well, if you don't believe that blacks have a better chance to make it in this country than a non-english speaking immigrant from Mexico, than I dont know what to tell you.
Ok.
Really? Is there a ten year waiting list to go out and work in the fields?? LMAO!
True, irrelevent to you.
They can, but it's a process that takes up to ten years. That's way too long, so people risk their lives and get here illegally. Why should they be granted special privelages/immunity/impunity? Privelages, what ones? The privelage of picking everyone's food and washing everyone's dishes? Immunity from what, taxes? They still spend some money here, but the cheap labor they provide means a lot more to the economy than their tax money would if they were getting paid regular wages. And impunity, I don't think they should be punished because they aren't doing anything morally wrong, they are only working. I am not speaking on the actual criminals though, those ones should get sent back.
You didn't exactly place blame directly on immigrants, but you said that 30-60% of the population would climb the poverty line if they were kicked out. Does that not place blame on immigrants, according to you?
Well, if you don't believe that blacks have a better chance to make it in this country than a non-english speaking immigrant from Mexico, than I dont know what to tell you.
Ok.
Hahahaha! Damn... I guess the tireless desperate antics will not cease, especially when the parties in question lack ammo.. Lol, that's a shame..
@ Lamberto Quintero I'll give you a few examples on your campaign to discredit blacks and how I could of easily gotten offended and said a lot more than what I did, but restrained myself from engaging in any ignorant exchanges..
Remember, the topic was about Illegals and leading up to this I hadn't mentioned Mexicans as a group, or black people yet..
Then in another post..
^As you can see I'm getting a little fed up at this point with your constant reference to black folx..
Then, your response to me when I pointed out illegals who commit crimes and get locked up at the expense of our tax dollars, and you reply:
Later on you even say:
^^Hahaha, no way in the world that I crossed the line, or that my crossing was unjustified.. I still restrained myself from race warring with you and simply tried to brush your constant references to black people off, but a few times I had to address it, simple, and these are only a few examples, you became obsessed with that subject..
@ Lamberto Quintero I'll give you a few examples on your campaign to discredit blacks and how I could of easily gotten offended and said a lot more than what I did, but restrained myself from engaging in any ignorant exchanges..
Remember, the topic was about Illegals and leading up to this I hadn't mentioned Mexicans as a group, or black people yet..
Then in another post..
^As you can see I'm getting a little fed up at this point with your constant reference to black folx..
Then, your response to me when I pointed out illegals who commit crimes and get locked up at the expense of our tax dollars, and you reply:
Later on you even say:
^^Hahaha, no way in the world that I crossed the line, or that my crossing was unjustified.. I still restrained myself from race warring with you and simply tried to brush your constant references to black people off, but a few times I had to address it, simple, and these are only a few examples, you became obsessed with that subject..