Illegal Immigrants Demand Citizenship

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Protests, Voter Drives Unfold Across Nation
By PETER PRENGAMAN
AP

LOS ANGELES (May 1) -- Demonstrators demanding a path to citizenship for an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants rallied around the nation Tuesday, hoping to spur Congress to act before the looming presidential primaries take over the political landscape.
From Phoenix to Detroit, hundreds of people carried American flags in the streets.

Organizers say immigrants feel a sense of urgency to keep immigration reform from getting pushed to the back burner by the 2008 presidential elections.

"If we don't act, then both the Democratic and Republican parties can go back to their comfort zones and do nothing," said Angelica Salas, director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles. "They won't have the courage to resolve a major situation for millions of people."

Hours before the march was set to begin in Chicago, dozens of demonstrators began arriving carrying American flags, signs and placards, including one that read "We may not have it all together, but together we can have it all."

Melissa Woo, a 22-year-old American citizen who immigrated from South Korea, carried a Korean flag over her shoulder as she criticized politicians for "buckling at the knees."


"Us immigrants aren't pieces of trash, we're human beings," she said. "To be treated as less than human is a travesty."

Thomas Rodriguez, of Aurora, stood in Union Park wearing a shirt that said: "We are hard workers. We're not criminals."

The 38-year-old has had no legal status since he came to the United States from Mexico in 1989 and is an employee at a Japanese restaurant in Chicago.

"Recent raids have worried me," he said. "We worry deportations are leaving too many young people without parents."

In southwest Detroit, hundreds of people wore red and white, and carried American flags to a rally.

"Most of the undocumented people come here as a necessity of survival," said Rosendo Delgado, of Latinos United, one of the groups organizing the march. "For them, it's the only choice."

A mariachi band played in Phoenix as marchers walked from the fairgrounds toward the state Capitol.

"We want just reform," said Mayela Ruiz, another illegal immigrant. "I've been here 15 years. I've worked hard, paid my taxes. I've had no problems with the law and I'm afraid to leave my house. I want a law that would allow me to work and live in freedom but not like a slave."

Democratic Party Chair Howard Dean was scheduled to speak in Miami to a coalition of immigrant groups, while Ricardo Chavez, the brother of famed agricultural labor leader Cesar Chavez, was expected address crowds in Milwaukee.

In Washington, D.C., about 400 members of Asian groups from across the country were set to make a lobbying push with lawmakers.

This year's turnout was expected to be lower than the 1 million people who gathered for last year's May 1 activities.

No rallies were planned in Atlanta, where 50,000 marched last year, because many immigrants were afraid of the raids and of a new state law set to take effect in July. The law requires verification that adults seeking non-emergency state-administered benefits are in the country legally, sanctions employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants, and requires police to check the immigration status of people they arrest.

"There's a lot of anxiety and fear in the immigrant community," said Jerry Gonzalez of the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials.

In New York, groups planned an "American Family Tree" rally, where immigrants would pin paper leaves on a large painting of a tree to symbolize the separation of families because of strict immigration laws.

The event is a response to a White House immigration reform proposal in March, said Chung-Wha Hong, executive director of the New York Immigration Coalition.

That plan would grant illegal immigrants three-year work visas for $3,500 but also require them to return home to apply for U.S. residency and pay a $10,000 fine. It has been roundly criticized by immigrant groups.

Two large demonstrations were planned in Los Angeles County _ home to an estimated 1 million illegal immigrants. Some groups in the area have called for an economic boycott and hoped for a repeat of last year, when thousands of immigrants and students stayed away from work and school in a sign of solidarity.

Other groups have rejected the boycott, arguing it puts immigrants' livelihoods at risk and deprives children of valuable classroom time.

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Cardinal Roger Mahony, head of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles, both strong immigrant supporters, urged students to stay in school.

Despite divisions over tactics and other issues, immigration groups and supporters said the diverse events will show the movement is stronger than ever.

"Just because the 12 million people who don't have legal residency don't attend a march doesn't mean they don't want it," said Eduardo "Piolin" Sotelo, a popular Spanish-language disc jockey. "I tell my listeners that no matter what they do, just don't stop doing something."

After last year's protests, reform legislation stalled in Congress and bipartisan proposals for illegal immigrants to gain citizenship have gotten more conservative.

Organizers said Tuesday's turnout will be lower because stepped-up raids in recent months have left many immigrants afraid to speak out in public _ a major change over rallies in 2006 when some illegal immigrants wore T-shirts saying "I'm illegal. So what?"

"These raids have torn apart families," said John Crockford, a member of the Central California Coalition for Immigrant Rights.

In Fresno, organizers planned a rally focusing on children whose parents had been deported. The San Joaquin Valley is home to thousands of seasonal workers who work illegally each year in the fields and construction industry.

In Los Angeles, marches were set to include demands for a legalization program, a stop to the raids and an anti-Iraq war message. City and transportation officials were planning for as many as 500,000 people in downtown, believing it could be the largest in the city so far this year.
 
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LOL are these people fuckin stupid? You came here, you worked hard, payed taxes, great, but you're here illegally. You knowingly and willingly came here illegally, so don't expect to be treated like a citizen or even a legal immigrant.
 
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Both of you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm wondering if either of you know the effect it would have on our economy if they "kicked them all out?"

And if you don't think that kicking them out is the right solution, then please explain what is...

HYPHYHYPHERS said:
^^^YEAH, THEY TAKEN R JAABS...BUT THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, AND UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE THEY WILL BE TREATED LIKE THE SLAVES THEY ARE...NOT LIKE CITZENS OR LEGALS, BUT LIKE SLAVES
What jobs you talking about? And if they are slaves, everyone who works in this country is a slave.
 
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HYPHYHYPHERS said:
^^^YEAH, THEY TAKEN R JAABS...BUT THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, AND UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE THEY WILL BE TREATED LIKE THE SLAVES THEY ARE...NOT LIKE CITZENS OR LEGALS, BUT LIKE SLAVES

I seriously HOPE you are WHITE.

if you are not you should be ashamed. :confused:

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XxtraMannish said:
LOL are these people fuckin stupid? You came here, you worked hard, payed taxes, great, but you're here illegally. You knowingly and willingly came here illegally, so don't expect to be treated like a citizen or even a legal immigrant.

please tell us how "we" should treat them?

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Calling these people "Criminals" is completely arbitrary. It's like the use of the word "terrorist" in this country. It's used to incite anger towards a certain group of people, and usually protects the government's best interests. these people do way more good than bad, and the government wants them here. No one has the right to harass them, either.
 
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bottom line is that they are illegally and therefore we should kick them the fuck out, i have no problem with them coming legally but the way they did it is wrong and theres no other way to look at it. Plus they cost California 10.5 billion dollars a year in health care, public education and prison costs, and i know some of yall will say "well they bring money in too".... fuck that get out. I have the utmost respect for those who come here legally and work their asses off to provide for their families but i have zero respect for illegals, none.
 
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bottom line is that they are illegally and therefore we should kick them the fuck out, i have no problem with them coming legally but the way they did it is wrong and theres no other way to look at it. Plus they cost California 10.5 billion dollars a year in health care, public education and prison costs, and i know some of yall will say "well they bring money in too".... fuck that get out. I have the utmost respect for those who come here legally and work their asses off to provide for their families but i have zero respect for illegals, none.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY COST CALIFORNIA THAT MUCH?


IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THE NUMBER VALUE THEY CONTRUBUTE TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA....I BET ITS MORE THAN DOUBLE YOUR "COST" NUMBER...

THEY PAY FUCKING TAXES!!!!!!

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING AND HELPING A IMMIGRANT GET SOME FUCKING MEDICAL HELP IF HE/SHE IS BUSTING THEIR ASS DAILY....WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS THE "AMERICAN" THAT STAY HOME ALL DAY AND HAS BABIES, DOESNT WORK, AND DOES DRUGS.....ALL WHILE I HELP PAY FOR THEM FUCKING KIDS INCLUDING THEM TO GET FREE MEDICAL CARE. FUCK THAT SHIT!

THATS BULLFUCKING SHIT...AND A DOUBLE STANDARD!

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HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY COST CALIFORNIA THAT MUCH?
I've posted the numbers before. He is correct.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THE NUMBER VALUE THEY CONTRUBUTE TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA....I BET ITS MORE THAN DOUBLE YOUR "COST" NUMBER...
Actually the number is an estimated $1.6 - 4 billion in taxes.

THEY PAY FUCKING TAXES!!!!!!
see above.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING AND HELPING A IMMIGRANT GET SOME FUCKING MEDICAL HELP IF HE/SHE IS BUSTING THEIR ASS DAILY....
Neither do I, but they are breaking the law. However, people have teh right to live, but if someone doesn't want to foot the bill they have that right as well. Thats why you play the game by the book, go through teh legal routes, and work through the system.

WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS THE "AMERICAN" THAT STAY HOME ALL DAY AND HAS BABIES, DOESNT WORK, AND DOES DRUGS.....ALL WHILE I HELP PAY FOR THEM FUCKING KIDS INCLUDING THEM TO GET FREE MEDICAL CARE. FUCK THAT SHIT!
Immigrant usage of social programs (welfare/medicare/etc etc etc) are apprx 38-43% higher than non-immigrants
 
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JLMACN said:
HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY COST CALIFORNIA THAT MUCH?


IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THE NUMBER VALUE THEY CONTRUBUTE TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA....I BET ITS MORE THAN DOUBLE YOUR "COST" NUMBER...

THEY PAY FUCKING TAXES!!!!!!

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WORKING AND HELPING A IMMIGRANT GET SOME FUCKING MEDICAL HELP IF HE/SHE IS BUSTING THEIR ASS DAILY....WHAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS THE "AMERICAN" THAT STAY HOME ALL DAY AND HAS BABIES, DOESNT WORK, AND DOES DRUGS.....ALL WHILE I HELP PAY FOR THEM FUCKING KIDS INCLUDING THEM TO GET FREE MEDICAL CARE. FUCK THAT SHIT!

THATS BULLFUCKING SHIT...AND A DOUBLE STANDARD!

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041206-102115-6766r.htm
http://immigrationcounters.com/index.html
i dont care how much money they provide their here illegally and need to leave. If my grandparents can come to this country with no money then they can to
 
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FRED FLINTsTONER said:
DO THESE PEOPLE REALLY AFFECT YOU GUYZ THAT MUCH. YOU ACT LIKE THEYRE TAKING ALL YOUR MONEY, THE GOVT TAKEZ YOUR MONEY N DECIDEZ WUT IT WANTZ TO DO WIT IT.
uhhh yea when my taxes go to people that arent citizens then that does affect me. These people come to our country and have 9 kids each and cost us billions of dollars, yea that bothers me a little. and then they have these rallies demanding things...get the fuck outta here, wut right do they have to demand anything from our government?
 

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HERESY said:
No, illegal immigrants are people and should be treated as such, but they are criminals:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=8&sec=1325

Crack contributes to our economy as well, and so does prostitution, but I don't see any of you guys spear heading a movement or marching for blow head advocacy or sasquatch pimps.

I know that they're "criminals" as defined by the law, but they wouldn't be if a few things were changed.
 
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FRED FLINTsTONER said:
I COULD GIVE A SHITLESS WUT THEY DO WIT MY MONEY AFTER THEY TAKE IT AINT MINE ANYMORE I CANT/SHOULDNT CRY OVER you ever think that maybe your taxes are going to increase because these people are straining our state, which is already in debt.
 
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coondogg26 said:
uhhh yea when my taxes go to people that arent citizens then that does affect me. These people come to our country and have 9 kids each and cost us billions of dollars, yea that bothers me a little. and then they have these rallies demanding things...get the fuck outta here, wut right do they have to demand anything from our government?
YOU ARE A IGNORANT WIGGER...

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All I know is that no one complains when Haitian refugees get deported back to Haiti from Florida. What gives them the right, but not Haitians? Is it because Mexicans used to "own" California? Actually, California belonged to Native Americans, "Mexican" is a nationality and/or culture, rights by lineage are not recognized in this country, if that's the case black people should have 40 Acres, a Mule, a house, Cash, and a plane trip back to Africa. But no, I guess only Mexicans were victims of past atrocities. And honestly, a lot of Spanish speakers or Chicanos suddenly turn Native American when it's convenient and time to claim land, but culturally most of them don't give a shit about native Americans, to claim otherwise is a wretched lie.