If Floyd is on "vacation", who should Pacquiao fight next?
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thanks tony for posting stuff we already posted MONTHS AGO.
Tony, you still don't understand that Manny didn't have to give into ANY additional testing at all. 30 days could have been his compromise. The first negotiations the fact drug testing was an issue, THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE. So they get it down to 21 days or whatever. Doesn't matter.
The next time around, they knew based on what they learned from the previous negotiations, that floyd was unwilling to compromise, so Manny had no choice but to accept 14 days. He wanted the fight, fuck it he's doing his part, but floyd didn't want it.
Tony, you still don't understand that Manny didn't have to give into ANY additional testing at all. 30 days could have been his compromise. The first negotiations the fact drug testing was an issue, THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE. So they get it down to 21 days or whatever. Doesn't matter.
The next time around, they knew based on what they learned from the previous negotiations, that floyd was unwilling to compromise, so Manny had no choice but to accept 14 days. He wanted the fight, fuck it he's doing his part, but floyd didn't want it.
Floyd: Man, I want you tested up until the day of the fight because I think you're juicin'...
Manny: Uh, uh, blood test so close to the fight makes me weak.
That's why I lost to Morales the first time. If you keep saying I'm juicin' I'm going to follow through with the lawsuit. By the way, I want an apology.
Floyd: I ain't apologizin'.... How many days did you get tested before you fought Morales.
Manny: uh, uh, a day or two and it made me feel weak and dizzy. I didn't have any power. That's why I need at least 30 days before I give blood. I'd be willing to give blood right after the fight.
Floyd: Are you crazy? 30 days? I want random, up until the day of. I'v agreed to everthing else you wanted.... can you at least meet half way?
Manny: Nope. I'll come down to 24 days but that's as far as i'm coming. I'll just go ahead and fight Clottey since I won't have to test anway.
Floyd: Alright, I've come down from up until the day of and I'm willing to give you 14 days, which is two weeks. You'll have plenty of time to recover. Meet me half way so we could do this! We've agreed to the purse split, ring size, glove size, your overweight penalty that you want in the contract.... just give a little bit of blood two weeks prior to us fighting.
Manny: No thanks.
Manny: Uh, uh, blood test so close to the fight makes me weak.
That's why I lost to Morales the first time. If you keep saying I'm juicin' I'm going to follow through with the lawsuit. By the way, I want an apology.
Floyd: I ain't apologizin'.... How many days did you get tested before you fought Morales.
Manny: uh, uh, a day or two and it made me feel weak and dizzy. I didn't have any power. That's why I need at least 30 days before I give blood. I'd be willing to give blood right after the fight.
Floyd: Are you crazy? 30 days? I want random, up until the day of. I'v agreed to everthing else you wanted.... can you at least meet half way?
Manny: Nope. I'll come down to 24 days but that's as far as i'm coming. I'll just go ahead and fight Clottey since I won't have to test anway.
Floyd: Alright, I've come down from up until the day of and I'm willing to give you 14 days, which is two weeks. You'll have plenty of time to recover. Meet me half way so we could do this! We've agreed to the purse split, ring size, glove size, your overweight penalty that you want in the contract.... just give a little bit of blood two weeks prior to us fighting.
Manny: No thanks.
yeah, but this is tony you're talkin to here. ever seen an episode of maury where the bitch keeps repeatin the same line over & over like a broken record? like "ooh, i swear ta god, thats not what you were sayin 2 days ago nigga! thats not what you were saying 2 days ago nigga! no, thats not what you were sayin 2 days ago nigga! (repeat)
you can throw logic & reason into the mix all you want, but dudes still gonna sit there & say the same thing over & over & over again, ad nauseam .
tony's built for some hella tedious ass blue-collar work lol, seriously. some conveyor belt shit .
you can throw logic & reason into the mix all you want, but dudes still gonna sit there & say the same thing over & over & over again, ad nauseam .
tony's built for some hella tedious ass blue-collar work lol, seriously. some conveyor belt shit .
Come on now Heresy, they (both Mosley and Mayweather) agreed to "RANDOM" testing up until the day of without a cutoff date. Mayweather nor Mosley never knew when they were going to stop testing. It's up to the agency in regards to when they're going to stop testing. If they want to stop testing 5 days before the fight or 10 days it's up to them. Random means that they could have been tested anytime, without notice. Pacquiao wasn't cool with that, he needed notice and a date when they would stop testing.
During the real negotiations for Mayweather vs Pacquiao, Mayweather came down from random to 14 days and was willing to give Pacquiao a cut off date of two weeks. So Mosley never got a cut off date. Pacquiao would've had one, so actually Floyd was tougher on Shane. Once he got Shane to agree to RANDOM without a cut off date, he now feels that he should be able to get Pacquiao to agree to RANDOM without a cut off date too....
During the real negotiations for Mayweather vs Pacquiao, Mayweather came down from random to 14 days and was willing to give Pacquiao a cut off date of two weeks. So Mosley never got a cut off date. Pacquiao would've had one, so actually Floyd was tougher on Shane. Once he got Shane to agree to RANDOM without a cut off date, he now feels that he should be able to get Pacquiao to agree to RANDOM without a cut off date too....
Good question, Morebass.
In my opinion, "at first" Floyd's demands were for Pacquiao, not to clean up the sport because if that was the case then he would have been asking his opponents to take Olympic Style drug test. But while he's at it, I guess he wanted to add that "clean up the sport" while we're at it. If that makes sense....
So at first, no, then yes.
In my opinion, "at first" Floyd's demands were for Pacquiao, not to clean up the sport because if that was the case then he would have been asking his opponents to take Olympic Style drug test. But while he's at it, I guess he wanted to add that "clean up the sport" while we're at it. If that makes sense....
So at first, no, then yes.
In Floyd's mind, Manny is using some kind of undetectable PED. He feels that there's no way that Pacquiao is gaining weight (with no fat), keeping his speed and power, and taking punches without the use of some kind of PED. So I believe that he wants him to take the strictest blood test possible in order to make the fight.
In a way he's complimenting Pacquiao and just wants Pacquiao to prove that he's not juicin' and Pac's reluctance is not helping.
You as a Pacquiao fan said that you'd take the test.
I'd take the test too, especially if he gave me a cut off period.
Now that Shane went through it, he wants Pacquiao to go through it too.
In a way he's complimenting Pacquiao and just wants Pacquiao to prove that he's not juicin' and Pac's reluctance is not helping.
You as a Pacquiao fan said that you'd take the test.
I'd take the test too, especially if he gave me a cut off period.
Now that Shane went through it, he wants Pacquiao to go through it too.
Bingo, but Floyd has an ego problem. Of course he's not going to come out and say it like that or even admit it... But that's what I believe!
I knew you were a smart dude! That's why Mayweather calls them magical drugs "Power Pellets". He's indirectly giving Pacquiao props.
What if Pacquiao tests and comes out clean? Then what?
He'll end up proving to the Mayweather's that he is that good/great without PED's.
I knew you were a smart dude! That's why Mayweather calls them magical drugs "Power Pellets". He's indirectly giving Pacquiao props.
What if Pacquiao tests and comes out clean? Then what?
He'll end up proving to the Mayweather's that he is that good/great without PED's.
So when did "RANDOM" mean to stop almost three weeks before the fight? And you're missing the point Tony, Mosley is a KNOWN ped user, so there should have been a number of random tests all the way until the fight, not random tests then a three week gap.
You still don't get it do you? Mosley is a KNOWN ped user, and because he is a known ped user, it should have been stipulated that there be no breaks in the testing or that he specifically have a number of tests in the last two weeks before the fight. Seriously, if you're going to say you're "cleaning up the sport", go all out but make it fair and equitable for all parties involved. Don't say guy A can do X but guy B has to do Y when there is no evidence to support he should do Y.
Now we're back to this agency shit, Tony? Listen, if you can include stipulations, rules and tests that the SANCTIONING BODIES of professional boxing do NOT require, you can tell the agency when you want the tests, when they are going to stop, etc. Cut the bullshit, Tony.
So test ANYTIME and WITHOUT notice up until the day of the fight. Don't stop almost three weeks before the fight when one of the guys has a history of using peds.
One of the users here said you don't understand logic and reason, and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt but you're making it hard. There is nothing wrong with him needing a date when they stopped testing because he has never been connected with peds. It would be unreasonable to not need a notice and a date of when they would stop.
Tony, what do you call no tests 19 days before the fight? Regardless of how you slice it that is a cut off date. BTW, they stopped testing BOTH fighters at around the same time so why can't Floyd agree to a 24 day cut off when they stopped testing him at around 18/19 days?
BTW, I can shoot you a link to the actual drug test results (for both fighters) if you want.
What you and the rest of the "Froid" fans are forgetting is that Pac also agreed to being tested immediately after the fight.
Listen, Shane has admitted to taking peds. Shane should have been tested up until the day of the fight not given a pass. Aside from Floyd, no other fighter has called for Pac to be tested in this fashion. So why does he need to agree to a RANDOM without a cut off date? Because he had stipulations of weight? Because he had stipulations of glove size? To you and everyone else, those things are all acceptable and fall within the rules and confines of the sanctioning bodies. What Floyd is requesting falls outside the scope of the sanctioning bodies. Do you understand now?
And here is the big question: How come Mosley isn't asking for Pac to be tested?
You still don't get it do you? Mosley is a KNOWN ped user, and because he is a known ped user, it should have been stipulated that there be no breaks in the testing or that he specifically have a number of tests in the last two weeks before the fight. Seriously, if you're going to say you're "cleaning up the sport", go all out but make it fair and equitable for all parties involved. Don't say guy A can do X but guy B has to do Y when there is no evidence to support he should do Y.
Now we're back to this agency shit, Tony? Listen, if you can include stipulations, rules and tests that the SANCTIONING BODIES of professional boxing do NOT require, you can tell the agency when you want the tests, when they are going to stop, etc. Cut the bullshit, Tony.
So test ANYTIME and WITHOUT notice up until the day of the fight. Don't stop almost three weeks before the fight when one of the guys has a history of using peds.
One of the users here said you don't understand logic and reason, and I want to give you the benefit of the doubt but you're making it hard. There is nothing wrong with him needing a date when they stopped testing because he has never been connected with peds. It would be unreasonable to not need a notice and a date of when they would stop.
Tony, what do you call no tests 19 days before the fight? Regardless of how you slice it that is a cut off date. BTW, they stopped testing BOTH fighters at around the same time so why can't Floyd agree to a 24 day cut off when they stopped testing him at around 18/19 days?
BTW, I can shoot you a link to the actual drug test results (for both fighters) if you want.
What you and the rest of the "Froid" fans are forgetting is that Pac also agreed to being tested immediately after the fight.
Listen, Shane has admitted to taking peds. Shane should have been tested up until the day of the fight not given a pass. Aside from Floyd, no other fighter has called for Pac to be tested in this fashion. So why does he need to agree to a RANDOM without a cut off date? Because he had stipulations of weight? Because he had stipulations of glove size? To you and everyone else, those things are all acceptable and fall within the rules and confines of the sanctioning bodies. What Floyd is requesting falls outside the scope of the sanctioning bodies. Do you understand now?
And here is the big question: How come Mosley isn't asking for Pac to be tested?
I tried to explain the best way I can to you Heresy... I already answered those questions in my previous posts. A 10 million dollar per every pound you're overweight is unheard of too but Pacquiao asked for it and he got it.
Shane isn't asking for Pac to be tested because:
Shane doesn't think Pac is juicin'
Shane needs a good payday
Is Morebass the only cat that understands (even though he may disagree) what I am sayin'?
Shane isn't asking for Pac to be tested because:
Shane doesn't think Pac is juicin'
Shane needs a good payday
Is Morebass the only cat that understands (even though he may disagree) what I am sayin'?