If Floyd is on "vacation", who should Pacquiao fight next?
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@bigface, where do you get the notion that Marquez and Berto would be "easy PPV sells"?
Berto has never even been the B-side headliner of a PPV event, there is nothing to suggest that he'd even do remotely well on PPV. He's a virtual nobody.
Marquez' biggest success on PPV has been when he fought Floyd, but other than that he has also proven that he is not really a draw, on PPV or at the gates.
Funny how you Floyd supporters bring up Manny's camp not taking risks.
As if fighting top level competition 2 and 3 weight classes higher than you isn't taking risks.
As if fighting the best available fighter in your division in almost every division you fight in isn't taking risks.
Pacquiao took the Mosley fight for the money, obviously...and he doesn't get a pass for it, like you claim. The thing is that he's been taking tough for years, can you honestly say that about Floyd Mayweather Jr?
Who is the last truly tough opponent he's fought?
Castillo?
Its funny though, because people like Tony and bigface dislike Pacquiao because of Pacquiao's fans. Why hate a guy because you hate his fans?
I honestly don't see how you can NOT appreciate what Manny's been doing. You won't see anything like it in this sport, in your lifetime, that's for sure.
Berto has never even been the B-side headliner of a PPV event, there is nothing to suggest that he'd even do remotely well on PPV. He's a virtual nobody.
Marquez' biggest success on PPV has been when he fought Floyd, but other than that he has also proven that he is not really a draw, on PPV or at the gates.
Funny how you Floyd supporters bring up Manny's camp not taking risks.
As if fighting top level competition 2 and 3 weight classes higher than you isn't taking risks.
As if fighting the best available fighter in your division in almost every division you fight in isn't taking risks.
Pacquiao took the Mosley fight for the money, obviously...and he doesn't get a pass for it, like you claim. The thing is that he's been taking tough for years, can you honestly say that about Floyd Mayweather Jr?
Who is the last truly tough opponent he's fought?
Castillo?
Its funny though, because people like Tony and bigface dislike Pacquiao because of Pacquiao's fans. Why hate a guy because you hate his fans?
I honestly don't see how you can NOT appreciate what Manny's been doing. You won't see anything like it in this sport, in your lifetime, that's for sure.
MoreBass- one word (Cottley) if you can sell a fight against that bum , then selling a fight against Berto the undefeated 147lb champ coming off back to back KO wins will be a easy sell. Marquez-easy sell- The last fighter to give Manny a good fight is a pretty easy sell to me.
People face facts Manny only fights people coming off brutal beating losses..
People face facts Manny only fights people coming off brutal beating losses..
Morebass-So you're telling me that they have a large number of people from Ghana in Texas? Cottley is from Ghana and the fight was in the Jerry Dome in Texas. Manny is a superstar he will sell the fight himself no matter who he fights. So I want him to step up and fight someone coming off a win. Beating up a already damaged Cotto and Margarito is not I repeat is not impressive to me. If he beat Cotto before he got beat down by Margarito and then Cottley I would give him more credit. Or if he fought Margarito before he got his head knocked off by Mosley i would give him more credit. Why Am I going to give credit to someone that fights all his big fights at catch weights and only beats up name fighters after they get brutally beating before they fight him.
Okay, let's take a look at this "Manny only fights fighters coming off losses" theory:
I'm just going to use Manny's notable fights as examples, starting with this:
Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (IBF Superbantamweight title) - 22 fight win streak
Marco Antonio Barrera - 8 fight win streak, including wins over Prince Naseem, Erik Morales, and Kevin Kelley
Juan Manuel Marquez (1st fight) - 13 fight win streak, with the last loss being a very questionable loss to Freddie Norwood. Another Joe Cortez classic fuckup.
Erik Morales (1st fight) - Fought Manny coming off a loss, though he did win the fight
Juan Manuel Marquez (2nd fight) - 4 fight win streak
Oscar de la Hoya - I don't put much into this fight, as it was more of a freakshow turned bad, but even then...Oscar was coming off a close win over Stevie Forbes
Ricky Hatton - 2 fight win streak, that included the most impressive performance of his career against Paulie Malignaggi
Miguel Cotto - 2 fight win streak, one close victory over top 5 welterweight Joshua Clottey
Joshua Clottey - Coming off a close loss to Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito - coming off loss to Shane Mosley, but I honestly don't see how you could hold that fight against him, he knew he was in deep shit, and his head clearly wasn't in this fight
I could see how you could point to his more recent welter/super welterweight fights, but the fact of the matter is that all of these top welterweights (Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley) were all doing what they were supposed to be doing which is fighting each other, so obviously someone's gotta lose.
I'm just going to use Manny's notable fights as examples, starting with this:
Lehlohonolo Ledwaba (IBF Superbantamweight title) - 22 fight win streak
Marco Antonio Barrera - 8 fight win streak, including wins over Prince Naseem, Erik Morales, and Kevin Kelley
Juan Manuel Marquez (1st fight) - 13 fight win streak, with the last loss being a very questionable loss to Freddie Norwood. Another Joe Cortez classic fuckup.
Erik Morales (1st fight) - Fought Manny coming off a loss, though he did win the fight
Juan Manuel Marquez (2nd fight) - 4 fight win streak
Oscar de la Hoya - I don't put much into this fight, as it was more of a freakshow turned bad, but even then...Oscar was coming off a close win over Stevie Forbes
Ricky Hatton - 2 fight win streak, that included the most impressive performance of his career against Paulie Malignaggi
Miguel Cotto - 2 fight win streak, one close victory over top 5 welterweight Joshua Clottey
Joshua Clottey - Coming off a close loss to Miguel Cotto
Antonio Margarito - coming off loss to Shane Mosley, but I honestly don't see how you could hold that fight against him, he knew he was in deep shit, and his head clearly wasn't in this fight
I could see how you could point to his more recent welter/super welterweight fights, but the fact of the matter is that all of these top welterweights (Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley) were all doing what they were supposed to be doing which is fighting each other, so obviously someone's gotta lose.
Bob Arum met with shane mosley three days after the margarito fight and that was a made public. So again, don't feel too smart.
My thing is, and I said this before, without floyd (whether he wants to fight or has legal problems or is on vacation or whatever), pacquiao is left with three disappointing fights:
1). Shane Mosley. 39 years old, hasn't looked good in two fights.
2). Marquez. Is a 135 pound fighter. Would have to go up two weight classes to fight Pacquiao.
3. Andre Berto who hasn't fought anyone good.
There was a huge ripple effect in pacquiao-mayweather not happening and that is pacquiao had to choose between three, guaranteed let down of fights. Any which way he'd go, and he'd get criticized. He was in a lose-lose situation (besides making a lot of money).
Here is what he should have done, imo.
Fought THREE times in 2011. He could have:
All the while, Berto could have got another win or two under his belt on HBO and been built up and Marquez could have fought Morales and got another win.
The biggest mistake pacquiao is making is wasting time by fighting mosley all the way in may which means he only will fight one more time in 2011. I know he's a congressman now and that's probably the reason, but it's a waste of half a year of his prime.
My thing is, and I said this before, without floyd (whether he wants to fight or has legal problems or is on vacation or whatever), pacquiao is left with three disappointing fights:
1). Shane Mosley. 39 years old, hasn't looked good in two fights.
2). Marquez. Is a 135 pound fighter. Would have to go up two weight classes to fight Pacquiao.
3. Andre Berto who hasn't fought anyone good.
There was a huge ripple effect in pacquiao-mayweather not happening and that is pacquiao had to choose between three, guaranteed let down of fights. Any which way he'd go, and he'd get criticized. He was in a lose-lose situation (besides making a lot of money).
Here is what he should have done, imo.
Fought THREE times in 2011. He could have:
-Fought Shane Mosley in Feb/March
-Fought Marquez in May/June
-Fought Berto end of the year.
-Fought Marquez in May/June
-Fought Berto end of the year.
All the while, Berto could have got another win or two under his belt on HBO and been built up and Marquez could have fought Morales and got another win.
The biggest mistake pacquiao is making is wasting time by fighting mosley all the way in may which means he only will fight one more time in 2011. I know he's a congressman now and that's probably the reason, but it's a waste of half a year of his prime.
MoreBass- Cotto won the Cottley fight but he got beat up in that fight eye cut open and bleeding everywhere. He fought Manny 5 months later. Cotto was never the same after the Margarito fight. Mosley beat the brakes off Margarito before Manny got to him. Since Marquez 2 Manny has fought nothing but damaged fighters. My question is why didn't he fight any of these guys after they won the fight. Why didn't Manny fight the winner out of Mosley vs Margarito or Cotto vs Margarito? He waited until they brutally beat up each other then he fought the loser of the fight not the winner. He has the name on his resume but he didn't beat the prime Cotto or Margarito but he's getting credit like he did.
Again 2-0-Sixx I posted that Mosley was going to fight Manny next after the Margarito fight, don't try to discredit me because I've been calling you out on your double standards.. I told you Mosley fits the Manny pattern and he will get the fight. So stop acting like I didn't tell you long before Marquez or Berto was in the mix that Manny was fighting Mosley..
Manny gets no pass for ducking Berto and Marquez..
Again 2-0-Sixx I posted that Mosley was going to fight Manny next after the Margarito fight, don't try to discredit me because I've been calling you out on your double standards.. I told you Mosley fits the Manny pattern and he will get the fight. So stop acting like I didn't tell you long before Marquez or Berto was in the mix that Manny was fighting Mosley..
Manny gets no pass for ducking Berto and Marquez..
^^so you're calling pacquiao a ducker for not fighting marquez even though he fought him twice already? lol. honestly, be real. marquez would get killed at 147 pounds by pacquiao. it's not fair anymore for JMM. Watch, I'll be super cool like you and go out on a limb and predict right here and now that pacquiao's next opponent after shane will be marquez, who will be coming off a win. Bookmark this page so when the fight is announced I can remind you of how I can see the future.
Ya'll acting like Berto is some force in boxing. Shit, even Miguel Cotto turned him down and looks like he'll be fighting Ricardo Mayorga on March 13th. That goes to show what kind of name Andre Berto has if Cotto-Mayorga is bigger than Cotto-Berto.
Ya'll acting like Berto is some force in boxing. Shit, even Miguel Cotto turned him down and looks like he'll be fighting Ricardo Mayorga on March 13th. That goes to show what kind of name Andre Berto has if Cotto-Mayorga is bigger than Cotto-Berto.