I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH OSAMA OR SADDAM.
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Al Qaeda + Iraq = Nil. The links were found after we went into Iraq and took stock of any and all terrorist groups operating in Iraq. Before 9/11, was Iraq referred to as a "terrorist hotbed"? Fuck no. Ansar Al-Islam and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi are and were both post-war findings, and in and of themselves a small, small part of international terrorism.
Under the "Ansar + Zarqawi = Al Qaeda connection" mentality, all we need to find is one small to medium sized cell to declare a country a terrorist haven. I'm sure if we invaded England or Germany and got full access to those countries, we could probably find as many or more terrorist groups. The administration stopped >just< short of declaring an Al-Qaeda/Iraq connection, so that if and when their little hypothesis failed, they had a justification.
Under the "Ansar + Zarqawi = Al Qaeda connection" mentality, all we need to find is one small to medium sized cell to declare a country a terrorist haven. I'm sure if we invaded England or Germany and got full access to those countries, we could probably find as many or more terrorist groups. The administration stopped >just< short of declaring an Al-Qaeda/Iraq connection, so that if and when their little hypothesis failed, they had a justification.
IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST YOU AND ME GUY. IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKIN' AT IT FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE THEN YOU COULD SAY THEY POSE NO THREAT. BUT A TERRORIST IS A THREAT TO ANYONE IN THIS WORLD. I'M TALKIN' ABOUT OSAMA WHEN I MAKE THIS STATEMENT, NOT NECESSARILY HUSSEIN BECAUSE HE'S A DICTATOR. NOT A TERRORIST.
The 9/11 commission concluded there was no definitive Saddam, Al-Qaeda link besides a collaboration attempt that failed. And when it comes to who to believe, I would trust a concensus of opinion among the international community much more than Bill "Support our Idiot of State" O'Reilly, Rush "The Abu Ghraib guards were just blowing off some steam" Limbaugh, or Ann "Take over the middle east and convert them to Christianity" Coulter. The fact is, tadou, you rarely post news or sources out here because the way you get "informed" is a simplistic, fox news "Weekly Standard, Bill O'Reilly"avenue that you know will agree with you before they even start talking.
I read in newsweek that the 9/11 commision found "no credible links between Iraq and Al-queda". Also in the latest newsweek was a look at the abu-ghraib scandal and just exactly who the prisoners were. Most of the "terrorists" abused in the scandal were actually petty criminals from Iraq. One prisoner was jailed for minor assault (yelling and threatening soldiers), 5 others were car thieves. Not that those criminals should not have been punished, but these men were TORTURED and SEXUALLY ASSAULTED without knowing any credible information that could help us stop al-zaqarwi.
lol...freedom of speach....aint that a bitch....u exercise it to the fullest and your judgmental minds shows its weakness yet again....
2 questions
are u attention hungry? or a fucking idiot?
wait....
ok i lied 3 questions...
are u maybe both?
answer yourself on that one....and soak it real deep playboy.
2 questions
are u attention hungry? or a fucking idiot?
wait....
ok i lied 3 questions...
are u maybe both?
answer yourself on that one....and soak it real deep playboy.
THEY DON'T HATE AMERICANS BECAUSE OF AMERICA....
@ CMOKE WHO ARE YOU DIRECTING YOUR POST TO? ME?
@ DAYTON FAMILY I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH TYPO'S BUT SUGGEST YOU PROPERLY SPELL INSULTS BEFORE YOU LAUNCH THEM.
. YOU SUGGEST I LIVE IN A CAVE WITH THEM (BECAUSE OF MY VIEWS) YET YOU TYPE STUFF LIKE THIS:
"cause were the root of all evil. Basically cause we own the world. Its natural for the opressed to hate the oppressers"
I KNOW YOUR ATTENTION SPAN IS SHORT (LIKE A NANO SECOND OR SOMETHING) BUT LOOK AT YOUR WORDS AND READ THE START OF THIS THREAD AGAIN. THANKS FOR PLAYING.
@WHITE DEVIL I DON'T ESPOUSE CHRISTIANITY AND I'M GLAD ANOTHER MEMBER POINTED THAT OUT. HOW IS IT THAT BUSH CAN ENDORSE GOD YET KILL THOUSANDS OF IRAQI CHILDREN ON HIS QUEST FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND LIBERATION?
@SYDAL YOU SAID YOU "KNOW FOR A FACT" THAT I WOULD BE KILLED. HOW DO YOU THIS? WAS THE AMERICAN TALIBAN KILLED? WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A COMMON DISLIKE OR SHARE THE SAME VIEWS (WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN THINGS) THE B.S. GETS PUT ASIDE.
@MINDTHERAPYREC YOUR POST IS OBSOLETE AND A WASTE OF BANDWIDTH.
@TADOU I WOULD *NOT* JOIN THE TALIBAN OR ANY "TERRORIST" GROUP. I WOULD HOWEVER TAKE UP ARMS AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS AND GOVERNMENT IF I WAS *****FORCED***** TO.
@NITRO YOU'RE JUST MADE BECAUSE YOU AREN'T A FREE THINKER. IF YOU WANT DUMBEST THREADS CHECK OUT EVERY THREAD STARTED BY MCLEANHATCH, CARLOS, AND IDIOT LOGIC. WHY DO YOU EQUATE MAKING A THREAD BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCES WITH SEEKING ATTENTION? WHY SHOULD I HATE A MAN WHO HAS DONE NOTHING TO ME? HAS HIS SYSTEM HARMED ME IN ANYWAY? NO. HAS HIS SYSTEM PLACED MY LIFE IN JEOPARDY? NO. HAS HIS LOGIC AND WAY OF THINKING HURT ME? NO. HAS THE AMERICAN SYSTEM HURT ME? YES. HAS IT PLACED MY LIFE IN JEOPARDY? YES. HAS THE AMERICAN LOGIC HURT ME? YES.
IF I EQUATE THE POLICE AND AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WITH TERRORISM HOW, AM I SEEKING ATTENTION? DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE COMMERCIALS A YEAR AGO? THE ONES THAT SAID DRUG MONEY FUNDS TERRORISM? WHY DIDN'T THEY SHOW CROOKED COPS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO ALLOW THE DRUGS TO COME IN? YOUR VERSION OF TERRORISM COMES FROM WHAT YOU ARE FORCE FED. MY VERSION OF TERRORIST STEMS FROM MY EXPERIENCE. QUICK QUESTION. WHY IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SLAIN FAMILY MEMBERS (9-11 AND THE WARS) BLAME AND QUESTION AMERICA INSTEAD OF BIN LADEN OR SADDAM?
@CONATGIOUS LOCC WHAT MAKES YOU THINK SADDAM WOULD WANT TO KILL ME? WHO TOLD YOU HE WOULD KILL ME? YOUR VIEWS ON OSAMA AND SADDAM COME FROM WHO? THE BIASED AMERICAN MEDIA? EXACTLY. DAYTON FAMILY, YOURSELF AND THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE SHEEP. YOU'RE THE LIVING DEAD WHO'VE BEEN CONDITIONED AND TRAINED TO VIEW "RAG HEADS" AS A THREAT TO YOUR LIBERTIES AND LIVELIHOOD.
@JAZZFAN REAL ESTATE SCHOOL AND RUNNING IN AND OUT OF STUDIOS HAVE BEEN KEEPING ME BUSY AS HELL. THAT POST WENT DOWN WHEN THE SICCNESS CRASHED BUT I DIDN'T SAY MUSLIMS TOLD ME. I SAID GOD HIMSELF TOLD ME.
BACK@DAYTON FAMILY. I'M SHAKING MY HEAD IN DISBELIEF. AFTER READING YOUR POSTS I WOULD NOMINATE SYDAL OR YOURSELF AS DUMBEST SICCNESS MEMBER.
@MIGGIDY IT'S GOOD TO SEE FREE THINKERS SUCH AS YOURSELF MAKING POSTS.
@RAGINHOMO ***LOL***!
HAVE YOU PEOPLED ASKED WHY BIN LADEN DOESN'T LIKE AMERICA? WHY DO YOU CALL THESE PEOPLE TERRORIST WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN KILLED, RAPED AND BEATEN BY AMERICANS? WHY DO YOU CALL THEM TERRORIST WHEN THEY ARE SIMPLY FIGHTING WITH THE TOOLS THEY HAVE? YOU CAN'T PUNCH SOMEONE IN THE GRILL AND NOT EXPECT THEM TO HIT YOU BACK. YOU CAN'T THROW ROCKS AND CRY WHEN YOU GET HIT WITH BOULDERS. SOAK ON THAT.
SIMPLE AMERICANS.....BLIND AND FOOLISH TO THE BITTER END.
:HGK:
@ CMOKE WHO ARE YOU DIRECTING YOUR POST TO? ME?
@ DAYTON FAMILY I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH TYPO'S BUT SUGGEST YOU PROPERLY SPELL INSULTS BEFORE YOU LAUNCH THEM.
. YOU SUGGEST I LIVE IN A CAVE WITH THEM (BECAUSE OF MY VIEWS) YET YOU TYPE STUFF LIKE THIS:"cause were the root of all evil. Basically cause we own the world. Its natural for the opressed to hate the oppressers"
I KNOW YOUR ATTENTION SPAN IS SHORT (LIKE A NANO SECOND OR SOMETHING) BUT LOOK AT YOUR WORDS AND READ THE START OF THIS THREAD AGAIN. THANKS FOR PLAYING.
@WHITE DEVIL I DON'T ESPOUSE CHRISTIANITY AND I'M GLAD ANOTHER MEMBER POINTED THAT OUT. HOW IS IT THAT BUSH CAN ENDORSE GOD YET KILL THOUSANDS OF IRAQI CHILDREN ON HIS QUEST FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND LIBERATION?
@SYDAL YOU SAID YOU "KNOW FOR A FACT" THAT I WOULD BE KILLED. HOW DO YOU THIS? WAS THE AMERICAN TALIBAN KILLED? WHEN PEOPLE HAVE A COMMON DISLIKE OR SHARE THE SAME VIEWS (WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN THINGS) THE B.S. GETS PUT ASIDE.
@MINDTHERAPYREC YOUR POST IS OBSOLETE AND A WASTE OF BANDWIDTH.
@TADOU I WOULD *NOT* JOIN THE TALIBAN OR ANY "TERRORIST" GROUP. I WOULD HOWEVER TAKE UP ARMS AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS AND GOVERNMENT IF I WAS *****FORCED***** TO.
@NITRO YOU'RE JUST MADE BECAUSE YOU AREN'T A FREE THINKER. IF YOU WANT DUMBEST THREADS CHECK OUT EVERY THREAD STARTED BY MCLEANHATCH, CARLOS, AND IDIOT LOGIC. WHY DO YOU EQUATE MAKING A THREAD BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCES WITH SEEKING ATTENTION? WHY SHOULD I HATE A MAN WHO HAS DONE NOTHING TO ME? HAS HIS SYSTEM HARMED ME IN ANYWAY? NO. HAS HIS SYSTEM PLACED MY LIFE IN JEOPARDY? NO. HAS HIS LOGIC AND WAY OF THINKING HURT ME? NO. HAS THE AMERICAN SYSTEM HURT ME? YES. HAS IT PLACED MY LIFE IN JEOPARDY? YES. HAS THE AMERICAN LOGIC HURT ME? YES.
IF I EQUATE THE POLICE AND AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WITH TERRORISM HOW, AM I SEEKING ATTENTION? DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE COMMERCIALS A YEAR AGO? THE ONES THAT SAID DRUG MONEY FUNDS TERRORISM? WHY DIDN'T THEY SHOW CROOKED COPS AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO ALLOW THE DRUGS TO COME IN? YOUR VERSION OF TERRORISM COMES FROM WHAT YOU ARE FORCE FED. MY VERSION OF TERRORIST STEMS FROM MY EXPERIENCE. QUICK QUESTION. WHY IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SLAIN FAMILY MEMBERS (9-11 AND THE WARS) BLAME AND QUESTION AMERICA INSTEAD OF BIN LADEN OR SADDAM?
@CONATGIOUS LOCC WHAT MAKES YOU THINK SADDAM WOULD WANT TO KILL ME? WHO TOLD YOU HE WOULD KILL ME? YOUR VIEWS ON OSAMA AND SADDAM COME FROM WHO? THE BIASED AMERICAN MEDIA? EXACTLY. DAYTON FAMILY, YOURSELF AND THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE SHEEP. YOU'RE THE LIVING DEAD WHO'VE BEEN CONDITIONED AND TRAINED TO VIEW "RAG HEADS" AS A THREAT TO YOUR LIBERTIES AND LIVELIHOOD.
@JAZZFAN REAL ESTATE SCHOOL AND RUNNING IN AND OUT OF STUDIOS HAVE BEEN KEEPING ME BUSY AS HELL. THAT POST WENT DOWN WHEN THE SICCNESS CRASHED BUT I DIDN'T SAY MUSLIMS TOLD ME. I SAID GOD HIMSELF TOLD ME.
BACK@DAYTON FAMILY. I'M SHAKING MY HEAD IN DISBELIEF. AFTER READING YOUR POSTS I WOULD NOMINATE SYDAL OR YOURSELF AS DUMBEST SICCNESS MEMBER.
@MIGGIDY IT'S GOOD TO SEE FREE THINKERS SUCH AS YOURSELF MAKING POSTS.
@RAGINHOMO ***LOL***!
HAVE YOU PEOPLED ASKED WHY BIN LADEN DOESN'T LIKE AMERICA? WHY DO YOU CALL THESE PEOPLE TERRORIST WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN KILLED, RAPED AND BEATEN BY AMERICANS? WHY DO YOU CALL THEM TERRORIST WHEN THEY ARE SIMPLY FIGHTING WITH THE TOOLS THEY HAVE? YOU CAN'T PUNCH SOMEONE IN THE GRILL AND NOT EXPECT THEM TO HIT YOU BACK. YOU CAN'T THROW ROCKS AND CRY WHEN YOU GET HIT WITH BOULDERS. SOAK ON THAT.
SIMPLE AMERICANS.....BLIND AND FOOLISH TO THE BITTER END.
:HGK:
This is crap tadou.
The commission's report says bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to [Saddam] Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.
"The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded bin Laden to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda."
A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994.
Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.
"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, (before 9/11) but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.
"Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied" any relationship, the report said.
The panel also dismissed reports that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in the Czech Republic on April 9, 2000. "We do not believe that such a meeting occurred."
The report said that Atta was in Virginia on April 4 -- evidenced by video that shows him withdrawing $8,000 from an ATM -- and he was in Florida by April 11 if not before.
The report also found that there was no "convincing evidence that any government financially supported al Qaeda before 9/11" other than the limited support provided by the Taliban when bin Laden arrived in Afghanistan.
The commission's report says bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to [Saddam] Hussein's secular regime. Bin Laden had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan.
"The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded bin Laden to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda."
A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting bin Laden in 1994.
Bin Laden is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded.
"There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan, (before 9/11) but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship," the report said.
"Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied" any relationship, the report said.
The panel also dismissed reports that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in the Czech Republic on April 9, 2000. "We do not believe that such a meeting occurred."
The report said that Atta was in Virginia on April 4 -- evidenced by video that shows him withdrawing $8,000 from an ATM -- and he was in Florida by April 11 if not before.
The report also found that there was no "convincing evidence that any government financially supported al Qaeda before 9/11" other than the limited support provided by the Taliban when bin Laden arrived in Afghanistan.