how many of y'all actually care if we go to war with iraq?

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its good to see people on here are up on the worlds issues. theres nothin i cant stand more than ignorant people
 

eMDe

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most people in the U.S. are ignorant.

That's why bush has the average joe's support. They belive what they see on news and what bush says.

How you gonna continue cutting education and taking money away from the U.S. to fix other countries (KOREA would be LUCKY to have us win a war and then give them structure, funding, and resources.)

CA cuttin 2 BILLION dollars from EDUCATION.

We in the U.S. have more people locked up than any other country in the world!! Something aint right and picking wars and loosing our american men WONT FIX THAT!!
 
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NorteLado said:

this picture the UFW logo with XIV is straight bullshit

do u even konw what the fuck UFW stands for!?!?
what Chavez fought all his life for, and u'r posting his flag with
norte xiv....fuck i'm a damn ashamed, someone would do some
bullshit like this.

 
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Belly_408 said:
cause I heard some congressman wants to do that Draft shit....but if we don't go to war then Sadamm is gonna start some Nuclear Holocaust and shit.....so i don't know man....
That congressman can eat a dick.

Sadamm starting a Nuclear Holocaust if the U.S. doesn't go to war with them? Can you prove that?



925 mow fucka said:
FUCK YEA i care if we go to war with iraq. Situations such as this just show how corrupt american politics really is.


Yes, indeed.

Iraq has never attacked the US, nor were any of the sept 11 terrorists from iraq. We are basing this war entirely on suspicion of them having weapons, which they dont.
If we go to war with iraq, we will go further into debt, and all the expenses will create a deficit. Then the government will not be able to pay for shit else like job creation. the result will be large unemployment and shit like that.
War creates jobs. Remember WWII? What happened to cities such as Oakland? What attracted Blacks from the South to the West?

Getting rid of saddam WILL NOT in any way prevent terrorism from happening in the future. in fact, it will actually make it more likely.
I agree.



CHRISDOGG14 said:
to clear things up a bit, we are pissed at iraq because they harbor terrorists!!!! bush said that from the jump after sept. 11th. there are other coutries that still harbor terrorists. he said this would be a long expensive war, and it will be. it doesn't matter too much if we go in debt, the nations defecit is already in the trillions, we ain't ever getting that money back
***bush said***

CHRISDOGG14 said:
but maybe it needed to happen cause communism may have actually started to catch on everywhere. we will never know.
What's wrong with Communism? Why do people make it seem like Communism is evil?



DCL ENT said:
I'M 15 ALMOST 16 BUT IF A DRAFT COMES, I'M GOIN TO MICHOACAN.
You're not even old enough to be worrying about the draft.



eMDe said:
BUSH IS A BITCH.
a puppet for his pops and those who REALLY are in power.


Yup Yup

He is a dumbfuck. And the reasons we are going to war have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with TERROSISM and 9-11.
Yup Yup

KOREA HAS NUKES... and HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST US....
but we dont care about them...
I don't know about that. I see no proof of them having Nukes just the funny syle media raising suspicion (as always).



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most people in the U.S. are ignorant.
Yes They Are...

That's why bush has the average joe's support. They belive what they see on news and what bush says.
Fuck them all (well not everybody).

We in the U.S. have more people locked up than any other country in the world!! Something aint right and picking wars and loosing our american men WONT FIX THAT!! [/B]
Yes Yes Yes. Real Talk.



CHRISDOGG14 said:
like the suicide bombers, they believe that they will see glory by doing these acts of terror in the name of Allah. if we don't go to war, we die or never live comfortably in this country again.


Too much news. How do you live comfortably in this country again? With corrupt politician's and cops out there this country will never be safe and/or free. Is there some kind of Safe House your staying at in the U.S.?

i don't like war, but things do need to happen, am i wrong in saying that? do you believe just the opposite?
Question #1: Yes
Question #2: Yes
 
May 13, 2002
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#66
Originally posted by CHRISDOGG14
to clear things up a bit, we are pissed at iraq because they harbor terrorists!!!! bush said that from the jump after sept. 11th. there are other coutries that still harbor terrorists
Dont believe what bush says. Hmm, last time I checked Bin Ladin and Suddam were enemies!

but maybe it needed to happen cause communism may have actually started to catch on everywhere. we will never know.
Care to elaborate for us?

the problem homie is this^^^^ if we don't go to war, the countries that harbor terrorists do not care about the fate of this planet. like the suicide bombers, they believe that they will see glory by doing these acts of terror in the name of Allah.


Your telling me that these people dont care about the fate of this planet? You must be joking.

if we don't go to war, we die or never live comfortably in this country again. i don't like war, but things do need to happen, am i wrong in saying that
If we go to war with Iraq the only thing it will do is piss off millions of people. If you cherish living comfortably in this country, then war is what you do not want.

if that is what God wants for this planet, i stand behind that decision.
If thats the way you think then how do you know god doesnt want america to collapse? Would you stand behind that? If you leave everything up to "god" then how do you make decisions?
 
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nefar559 said:



this picture the UFW logo with XIV is straight bullshit

do u even konw what the fuck UFW stands for!?!?
what Chavez fought all his life for, and u'r posting his flag with
norte xiv....fuck i'm a damn ashamed, someone would do some
bullshit like this.

YOU ARE STR8 IGNORANT BULLSHIT. DO SOME RESEARCH WIT YOUR COMPUTER AND EDUCATE YOURSELF ON NORTENOS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR IGNPRANT MOUTH. SOMEONE LIKE YOU WIT CHE CUEVARRA IN THEIR SIG OUGHT TO BE ON NORTE'S SIDE, BUT YOU A LOST CAUSE. RATHER THAN LISTENING TO ANY BULLSHIT FRESNO MUTT WHO CAN'T REMEMBER THE PAST OR FIGHT FOR JUSTICE
EDUCATE YOURSELF FOR REAL, CUZ YOU REALLY LOOK STUPID.

(Quoted from an on-line essay by Eric Cummings about the prison system and the political civil
rights beginnings of Norteno & Sueno gangs)
When the Norteno tip originated on September 16, 1968, plotting its own debut to coincide with
the celebration of Mexican
Independence Day, it did so very deliberately. Today, for Norteno members, the tip occupies the
place in the group life of its
membership where the state has erased nationhood. There it remakes itself into a parallel
micro-state complete with a patriotic
birthday which replicates the national birthday of Mexico. In the Norteno tip, in other words, it is
as if civil death has claimed its
own parallel statehood.7 The Norteno tip emerged from one of San Quentin's treatment-era
"inmate self-improvement groups" and
initially took its place as one of the in-prison warrior arms of La Raza, a policing faction, in other
words, of the California Chicano
wing of the civil rights movement. In these earliest days, the tip to some extent saw itself as a
Chicano proletarian revolutionary
prisoner movement. It was very conscious of its links to the northern Californian urban Chicano
working class. It agitated fiercely
for equal treatment of Latino prisoners in the system. And according to some members, the
Norteno tip even provided security at
early marches of Cesar Chavez and his United Farm Workers.


NOW GO AND DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH WITH YOUR OWN COMPUTER ANPUT CEZAR CHAVEZ, NORTENOS, CIVIL RIGHTS. PRISONERS' RIGHTS, AND THE CAUSE, AND QUIT LISTENING TO MUTTS WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN SPEAKING THE TRUTH TO YOU BUT WHO ARE AFRAID OF GETTING THEIR ASSES BEAT BY THE SURENO MEXICAN MAFIA INSTEAD OF STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES AND FOR RITEOUS USA NUESTRA FAMILIA NORTENOS.


Now let's get back on topic and keep talking about issues for THIS thread's Iraq war topic so we don't derail the discussion. If you care to respond to this post, please start a whle new thread here or go read East Co Co forum's thread
"The Norteno Equivalent to.." cuz we already been through all that & Iam bored wit teaching ignorant lazy people history they should have known before they spoke. Use your google seach and educate yourself, cuz if you don't, you gonna keep fucking up the things you claim to support like human rights, Che. You spreading disinformation about those loyal Norteno fighters and you should be on their side on rights issues even if you don't support banging.
 

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ITS ALMOST OVER!!!

Fuck war and fuck peace! I dont care what way it goes......This world was created by God! This is now mans earth! Concrete Structures, natural things that the earth produces having a price tag on it, Animals to eat, fruits, all that salt, even gold. We are all catching on to what goes on here! The system as it stands now wont last with our generation much longer..........I have about 8 friends in the service all branches!!! Ive heard alot of different things but ???????? who the fuck really knows! We are all seeing things for what they really are! BUSH is not doing something right, he is not to be trusted. American flags are the biggest gang sighn out there...........! We are going to war, these people are fighting a battle that man created! And know gods children everyone on this earth, IRAQI or AMERICAN ect will fight a war put forth by what man created. Those are not bushes children on the planes getting shipped everywhere they are gods we are gods. And to people that dont belive in god and religion, your subconcience knows whats wrong and right.......You know that feeling you get when your about to do something bad, Thats it. Its in all of us, some ignore it!!!! Is killing wrong? is lien wrong? is stealing wrong, yes it all is wrong. Almost all high people in contries from america to afganistan do these things, and they lead our country. They might not do it first hand, but its carried out. War is Killing, propoganda is lien, just a cooler words though......We the people have been being decived and are catching on to it.....................! Try to only buy things you need dont spend your money, spend it wisely....Oh yeah those credit card scandal we are hearing about, Its all just a slow plot to get rid of papper money, Watch,..;.....Try not to support big companies fuck em!!!! they will reap what they sew, the ones who have cheated lied to the people and stole from us!!!! Dont support the war tell everyone its fucked like you all have been doing. The feeling we have are right, go with what feels right, because it is...........

They watch this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They Watch you!!!!! Homeland security, watch your emails to its all tapped.............
 
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SMOKEIT420 said:
FUCK THIS WHOLE POLITICAL BULLSHIT. IT'S ALL A FUCKING CYNICAL SKIT. ONLY A FUCKING IDIOT CAN'T SEE THE WAY THE RICH REPUBLICANS ARE FUCKING US AND HAVE US ASKING FOR MORE.
you mean the democrats, because they are the ones offering things but never delivering thing. they are the ones that want to keep alive the differences between black, hispanic and white americans.

republicans just want americans period.

SMOKEIT420 said:
HE'S CUTTING TAXES FOR THE RICH, FUCKING OVER THE POOR AND MINORITIES.
look in case you havent been keeping up 92,000,000 Americans will get tax cuts!

how is a tax cut fucking over the minorities. how can the poor really expect a tax cut if THEY DONT PAY TAXES to begin with.

SMOKEIT420 said:
GOERGE BUSH IS SUDDENLY SUCH A POPULAR PRESIDENT, FUNNY HOW THE RICH REPUBLICANS WERE TURNING INTO SHIT UNTILL SUDDENLY 3 PLANES WERE MISSING.
??????? do your history Republicans have been getting more and more popular amoungst American since Newt Gingrich and his "Contract with America" in 1994.

SMOKEIT420 said:
FUNNY HOW AL GORE WON THE POPULAR VOTE YET HE WAS SO UNPOPULAR.
its not all that funny because if you knew politics you would know popular vote dont mean shit, it all depends on the ELECTORAL VOTE

SMOKEIT420 said:
EVERY FUCKING REPUBLICAN DESERVES TO DIE A PAINFUL DEATH AND BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY.
Ignorance!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SMOKEIT420 said:
ONLY A FUCKING IDIOT CAN'T SEE THE WAY THE EVERY FUCKING SHOW IN FOX NEWS IS REPUBLICAN BIASED. THEY CONTROL THE MEDIA BECAUSE THEY ARE THE RICH.
1. Geraldo Rivera-----> Known LIBERAL
2. Greta Van Sustren ---> Known LIBERAL
3. Alan Colmes -------> Known LIBERAL
4. Sheppard Smith ----> Known LIBERAL
5. Neal Gabler--> Known LIBERAL

And those are major shows on Fox

heres the Conservatives

1. Sean Hannity
2. Cal Thomas
3. Brit Hume
4. Jim Pinkerton
5. and i am sure that there are more on both sides only i cant think of them right now
 
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CHRISDOGG14 said:
we just shipped like 62000 or so more troops to the middle east. do y'all give a shit or not whether we go to war with them?
i dont think any1 wants to go to war (i know i dont) but there is no more choices this man has been breaking UN resolutions for over 10 years and if we let him keep going one day with all the hatred he has for us and for all who oppose him ( hes killed nearly 1 million of his own people) he will hurt us. it is time for hussein to expire and it looks like it will be us who ends up doing it.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:


Dont believe what bush says. Hmm, last time I checked Bin Ladin and Suddam were enemies!

Care to elaborate for us?

Your telling me that these people dont care about the fate of this planet? You must be joking.

If we go to war with Iraq the only thing it will do is piss off millions of people. If you cherish living comfortably in this country, then war is what you do not want.

If thats the way you think then how do you know god doesnt want america to collapse? Would you stand behind that? If you leave everything up to "god" then how do you make decisions?
yeah, don't believe what bush says, he is ultimately my boss. i follow his orders from the top, so i believe that whatever i am doing for the welfare of the nation is true. his motives may be different than they look on the surface, but all in all, we are taking down countries that harbor terrorists. there are enemies, but both afghanistan and iraq harbor terrorists, so do yemen, and the palestinians. do you even know what harboring terrorists means?


yes i will elaborate on the vietnam war. communism is an idea that doesn't work well for the people. why the fuck you think so many people try and float here from cuba?? it doesn't seem that bad in the essence of it, but ask the people who have lived in a country that uses communism as a form of government, they will let your ass know in a second. we lost the vietnam war, but in turn communism didn't spread across the world which would have been a disaster in my eyes.

i must be joking????? have you not heard a terrorist talk??? it is fukking sickening. they truly believe that by killing americans will be one of the best ways they can guarantee their way into heaven. they do not give one fuck about this planet, i am not saying muslim people, TERRORISTS. if they are willing to commit suicide, why the fuck do you think they care about the planet. easy question if you ask me.

the statement you quoted me on about living comfortably is like this.....you may not like your life. you may get shot at once a week, you may be on welfare, but that ain't shit compared to what third world countries have to deal with. at least you can turn on a faucet and drink water here. they have diarreha (sp?) most of their lives because of malnutrition and bad drinking water, not to mention civil war, and dictatorship and all kinda other shit. i dont' know about you, i don't know how smart you are, judging by your questions and replies, not very smart at all, but you really think saddam hussein isn't plotting something on america, along with other countries that hate us. i bet on my life, the people of iraq would love us for liberating them from saddam, he is an evil mothafukka man. how do you not see that????? he needs to be taken down. did you see how happy the people of afghanistan were to see the taliban regime taken out of that country???? you must not have, well saddam is alot worse. trust that.

and you must not have read correctly what i said about God. i said that if the world is blown up by a bomb, then it must be because God wanted it to happen. if he wants america destucted, then so be it. i make my own decisions as i am a man, but if something extremely drastic like that happend, that is not my choice, but obviously the apparent choice of God, whom i support fully and love with my entire heart. if God wanted me dead today to be with him in heaven, i'd be gone just like that. i pray each night, that His will be done in my life, and if things happen that i am not totally happy with, i don't argue or complain to God, because it ends up benefiting me in the long run. what doesn't kill me makes me stronger. whatever plans God has for me, i follow, whatever choices i make on my own, i stand behind. so what is your question exactly, cause that shit doesn't make sense to me the way you asked it.
 
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Re: Re: how many of y'all actually care if we go to war with iraq?

Mcleanhatch said:


i dont think any1 wants to go to war (i know i dont) but there is no more choices this man has been breaking UN resolutions for over 10 years and if we let him keep going one day with all the hatred he has for us and for all who oppose him ( hes killed nearly 1 million of his own people) he will hurt us. it is time for hussein to expire and it looks like it will be us who ends up doing it.
he will hurt us, but remember we lost less than 100 people in the last war with him. he is crazy, but we are pretty overwhelming and very elite in the ways of war. he does need to go down. the problem though too is, he has hired look alikes, it has been said that the real saddam hasn't been on tv or in public in at least three years. also, his sons are even more crazy than he is, the want world destruction and domination. there was a good article in Maxim magazine believe it or not about them
 
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Re: Re: Re: how many of y'all actually care if we go to war with iraq?

CHRISDOGG14 said:
he will hurt us, but remember we lost less than 100 people in the last war with him. he is crazy, but we are pretty overwhelming and very elite in the ways of war. he does need to go down. the problem though too is, he has hired look alikes, it has been said that the real saddam hasn't been on tv or in public in at least three years. also, his sons are even more crazy than he is, the want world destruction and domination. there was a good article in Maxim magazine believe it or not about them
yes, i agree with just about everything you said and stand behind you and the rest of the majority of the country in that this EVIL man has to go by force if necessary (and it's looking like it is going to be necessary).
 
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here, I'll make a conservative arguement against the war.... Do I think Sadam is a threat to our nation? No. Do I think he's a threat to his own people? Yes. Its the people of Iraq's problem to revolt against their ruler, not ours.
 
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Snubnoze said:
here, I'll make a conservative arguement against the war.... Do I think Sadam is a threat to our nation? No. Do I think he's a threat to his own people? Yes. Its the people of Iraq's problem to revolt against their ruler, not ours.
How can you not see Saddam as a threat to our nation after he has outright collected an arsenal of nuclear weapons and threatened repeatedly to destroy America? This has nothing whatsoever to do with us helping Iraquis revolt, it has to do with kicking ass on someone threatening us with destruction. Unchecked, he and his minions will do just that, while the traitors that sold him the technology will be chillaxin on the other side of the world on a remote island paradise. I don't support a lot of what our fucked up government does to it's own people, but aside from all that we do have a very real enemy. Whether America is morally right or morally wrong, Saddam and his breed come from a long line of ruthless war mongerers who habitually get their position of power by terrorizing, murdering, extorting, pillaging, and raping poorer defenseless uneducated countries. Some of you think England and Europe is fucked up for all their colonialism, but look at the record of thousand of years of violence in the Middle East, even before our abusive Crusades. For centuries empires there have been built on the bloodshed of the weak, and Saddam is trying to spout his religious terrorist rhetoric to encite his people to fight his battles with nothing but pie in the sky heavenly promises, cuz he can't take care of these people who fanatically want to see all America dead now that he made us their scapegoat for problems he caused. These people are not looking to fight a war to get rich and come home to live comfortably. They don't even hope for survival. They pray for a glorious kamikazee death by making sure your children and moms and dads bleed in a gory nuclear fireball as they meet their own heavenly reward. They are lucky we don't just take the fuckers out with more than thermobaric sandblasters turning their shitsoaked diaper heads into shit-stained fiberglass.

Iam speaking on "terrorists" specifically and in no way mean for any of my comments to be taken as racist. Tons of Afghanis and Persians here are glad to see the US helping and feeding their kin in a land where they would have had no help whatsoever under their existing ruthless dictators made up of former bloodthirsty psychotic royalty and rebels. Once these countries get some stability and structure, we can recoup our investment in them just like we did in Japan by creating a whole new market of happy, educated, stable, productive, non-waring consumers and investors. A lot of you may hate the idea of us turing the Middle East into another capitalist market to exploit, but isn't it nicer to sell them comfy products in a spirit of friendship than weapons of mass destruction while we watch them suffer needlessly? There's no reason to not give them the same economic opportunities we enjoy. Don't you think they'd appreciate a lil air conditioning? What's anti-cultural about relieving suffering and providing new technologies and medicines most commoners want? Where are the people here that should be fighting for human rights against oppressors worldwide? War isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes you have to stand up and fight against those who say their dream and mission is to kill you and your family. Saddam is one of those assholes better off dead, and most of his own suffering people would rather see him dead than have to come kill us. We have a real situation here. If we don't handle it, they will be HERE killing your children.

I know I tried to say I didn't care one way or the other about going to war beacuse of all the mixed messages in the media, but for real there's just too much evidence for too many years that if we do nothing we will suffer greatly. We don't have exclusive access to nuclear weapons anymore, and these desperate terrorists have been raised since they were babies to be Saddam's secret weapon to infiltrate here and sacrifice their lives for what they believe will bring them glory for eternity in the afterlife. These guys have got to die, cuz they aren't changing their minds. Let em loose here, and you'll see all hell breaking out for real. You won't have time to negotiate or retaliate, cuz these foos are serious and they've learned to move secretly, shadowing regular citizens.

Stop most of them now in their country before they stop us in ours, and convince the rest already here that they've been seriously brainwashed by madmen out to profit from their religious sacrifices. Teach them that a real God does not create people to ever kill themselves for lost causes. Suicide for no reason is never holy, and if we do nothing to stop these monsters who treat their own females worse than animals, we will be causing our own suicide eventually. TELL EM TO EAT OUR SHIT WHILE WE TWIST THEIR ENTRAILS IN THE WIND!! -*ugh*
 
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Nobody's Biz said:


YOU ARE STR8 IGNORANT BULLSHIT. DO SOME RESEARCH WIT YOUR COMPUTER AND EDUCATE YOURSELF ON NORTENOS BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR IGNPRANT MOUTH. SOMEONE LIKE YOU WIT CHE CUEVARRA IN THEIR SIG OUGHT TO BE ON NORTE'S SIDE, BUT YOU A LOST CAUSE. RATHER THAN LISTENING TO ANY BULLSHIT FRESNO MUTT WHO CAN'T REMEMBER THE PAST OR FIGHT FOR JUSTICE
EDUCATE YOURSELF FOR REAL, CUZ YOU REALLY LOOK STUPID.

(Quoted from an on-line essay by Eric Cummings about the prison system and the political civil
rights beginnings of Norteno & Sueno gangs)
When the Norteno tip originated on September 16, 1968, plotting its own debut to coincide with
the celebration of Mexican
Independence Day, it did so very deliberately. Today, for Norteno members, the tip occupies the
place in the group life of its
membership where the state has erased nationhood. There it remakes itself into a parallel
micro-state complete with a patriotic
birthday which replicates the national birthday of Mexico. In the Norteno tip, in other words, it is
as if civil death has claimed its
own parallel statehood.7 The Norteno tip emerged from one of San Quentin's treatment-era
"inmate self-improvement groups" and
initially took its place as one of the in-prison warrior arms of La Raza, a policing faction, in other
words, of the California Chicano
wing of the civil rights movement. In these earliest days, the tip to some extent saw itself as a
Chicano proletarian revolutionary
prisoner movement. It was very conscious of its links to the northern Californian urban Chicano
working class. It agitated fiercely
for equal treatment of Latino prisoners in the system. And according to some members, the
Norteno tip even provided security at
early marches of Cesar Chavez and his United Farm Workers.


NOW GO AND DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH WITH YOUR OWN COMPUTER ANPUT CEZAR CHAVEZ, NORTENOS, CIVIL RIGHTS. PRISONERS' RIGHTS, AND THE CAUSE, AND QUIT LISTENING TO MUTTS WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN SPEAKING THE TRUTH TO YOU BUT WHO ARE AFRAID OF GETTING THEIR ASSES BEAT BY THE SURENO MEXICAN MAFIA INSTEAD OF STANDING UP FOR THEMSELVES AND FOR RITEOUS USA NUESTRA FAMILIA NORTENOS.


Now let's get back on topic and keep talking about issues for THIS thread's Iraq war topic so we don't derail the discussion. If you care to respond to this post, please start a whle new thread here or go read East Co Co forum's thread
"The Norteno Equivalent to.." cuz we already been through all that & Iam bored wit teaching ignorant lazy people history they should have known before they spoke. Use your google seach and educate yourself, cuz if you don't, you gonna keep fucking up the things you claim to support like human rights, Che. You spreading disinformation about those loyal Norteno fighters and you should be on their side on rights issues even if you don't support banging.

never recieived a reply.


i'm laughing at your responce....are we even talking about the
same nortenos?

UFW has nothing to do with the bullshit u'r saying....so don't mix
them together as they are the same.....human rights, Guevara,
no norteno has ever brought up those issues....
nothing positive comes from being a sureno or norteno. its plain
degrades mexicans/chicanos.
 
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Nobody's Biz said:


How can you not see Saddam as a threat to our nation after he has outright collected an arsenal of nuclear weapons and threatened repeatedly to destroy America? This has nothing whatsoever to do with us helping Iraquis revolt, it has to do with kicking ass on someone threatening us with destruction. Unchecked, he and his minions will do just that, while the traitors that sold him the technology will be chillaxin on the other side of the world on a remote island paradise. I don't support a lot of what our fucked up government does to it's own people, but aside from all that we do have a very real enemy. Whether America is morally right or morally wrong, Saddam and his breed come from a long line of ruthless war mongerers who habitually get their position of power by terrorizing, murdering, extorting, pillaging, and raping poorer defenseless uneducated countries. Some of you think England and Europe is fucked up for all their colonialism, but look at the record of thousand of years of violence in the Middle East, even before our abusive Crusades. For centuries empires there have been built on the bloodshed of the weak, and Saddam is trying to spout his religious terrorist rhetoric to encite his people to fight his battles with nothing but pie in the sky heavenly promises, cuz he can't take care of these people who fanatically want to see all America dead now that he made us their scapegoat for problems he caused. These people are not looking to fight a war to get rich and come home to live comfortably. They don't even hope for survival. They pray for a glorious kamikazee death by making sure your children and moms and dads bleed in a gory nuclear fireball as they meet their own heavenly reward. They are lucky we don't just take the fuckers out with more than thermobaric sandblasters turning their shitsoaked diaper heads into shit-stained fiberglass.

Iam speaking on "terrorists" specifically and in no way mean for any of my comments to be taken as racist. Tons of Afghanis and Persians here are glad to see the US helping and feeding their kin in a land where they would have had no help whatsoever under their existing ruthless dictators made up of former bloodthirsty psychotic royalty and rebels. Once these countries get some stability and structure, we can recoup our investment in them just like we did in Japan by creating a whole new market of happy, educated, stable, productive, non-waring consumers and investors. A lot of you may hate the idea of us turing the Middle East into another capitalist market to exploit, but isn't it nicer to sell them comfy products in a spirit of friendship than weapons of mass destruction while we watch them suffer needlessly? There's no reason to not give them the same economic opportunities we enjoy. Don't you think they'd appreciate a lil air conditioning? What's anti-cultural about relieving suffering and providing new technologies and medicines most commoners want? Where are the people here that should be fighting for human rights against oppressors worldwide? War isn't always a bad thing. Sometimes you have to stand up and fight against those who say their dream and mission is to kill you and your family. Saddam is one of those assholes better off dead, and most of his own suffering people would rather see him dead than have to come kill us. We have a real situation here. If we don't handle it, they will be HERE killing your children.

I know I tried to say I didn't care one way or the other about going to war beacuse of all the mixed messages in the media, but for real there's just too much evidence for too many years that if we do nothing we will suffer greatly. We don't have exclusive access to nuclear weapons anymore, and these desperate terrorists have been raised since they were babies to be Saddam's secret weapon to infiltrate here and sacrifice their lives for what they believe will bring them glory for eternity in the afterlife. These guys have got to die, cuz they aren't changing their minds. Let em loose here, and you'll see all hell breaking out for real. You won't have time to negotiate or retaliate, cuz these foos are serious and they've learned to move secretly, shadowing regular citizens.

Stop most of them now in their country before they stop us in ours, and convince the rest already here that they've been seriously brainwashed by madmen out to profit from their religious sacrifices. Teach them that a real God does not create people to ever kill themselves for lost causes. Suicide for no reason is never holy, and if we do nothing to stop these monsters who treat their own females worse than animals, we will be causing our own suicide eventually. TELL EM TO EAT OUR SHIT WHILE WE TWIST THEIR ENTRAILS IN THE WIND!! -*ugh*
Will the U.S. Attack Iraq? A Question and answer session with Noam Chomsky
http://zmag.org/ZMagSite/oct2002/feature/albert1002.shtml

Afghan Women: Enduring American “Freedom”
http://www.zmag.org/ZMagSite/Dec2002/kolhatkarprint1202.htm

btw its funnie how the CIA stated that iraq was a thread last october...a few months later, with pressure from the bush administrion, they changed there minds......lol
 
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How can you not see Saddam as a threat to our nation after he has outright collected an arsenal of nuclear weapons and threatened repeatedly to destroy America?......the traitors that sold him the technology will be chillaxin on the other side of the world on a remote island paradise.
Hate to break it to you, but the United States Of America were the ones who gave Sadam weapons of mass destruction. Maybe you should research things before you make opinions.