Floyd Mayweather vs Sugar Shane Mosley [May 1st]
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yeah man, I think it's foolish to fall into the trap into thinking mosley has a chance in this fight. The same guy who got out-boxed by cotto, the same guy who had a very close fight with mayorga. The margartio fight is a bit of an illusion, considering styles make fights. Add to all that he hasn't fought since Jan of 2009, he's 38 and floyd is still at the peak of his prime, it's a for sure Floyd victory.
As for the KO, Shane has never been knocked out in his professional career nor has he been ko'd in the amateurs. Floyd doesn't have a lot of power. At worst for mosley, he could suffer an embarrassing knock down if he's caught off balance by an accurate shot by floyd, but it wont hurt him, only his ego maybe. The same goes for floyd, he's never in his life been ko'd and he's undefeated as a pro. In other words both guys have too good of chins, too good of defense and too good of skills to get KO'd. This fight is going the distance.
As for the KO, Shane has never been knocked out in his professional career nor has he been ko'd in the amateurs. Floyd doesn't have a lot of power. At worst for mosley, he could suffer an embarrassing knock down if he's caught off balance by an accurate shot by floyd, but it wont hurt him, only his ego maybe. The same goes for floyd, he's never in his life been ko'd and he's undefeated as a pro. In other words both guys have too good of chins, too good of defense and too good of skills to get KO'd. This fight is going the distance.
Yeah, man...I think the Margarito win was great for Shane, but two things really stand out to me about that victory (not to take anything away from Shane's performance):
1) Margarito's style was taylor made for Shane. Shane is at his best when guys are coming straight at him
2) Margarito's head definitely was everywhere but the fight after the hand wrap situation before the fight
My heart says Shane, but my money would have to be on Mayweather. He's a lot fresher even though he's only a few years younger.
I'm rooting for Shane though all the way.
1) Margarito's style was taylor made for Shane. Shane is at his best when guys are coming straight at him
2) Margarito's head definitely was everywhere but the fight after the hand wrap situation before the fight
My heart says Shane, but my money would have to be on Mayweather. He's a lot fresher even though he's only a few years younger.
I'm rooting for Shane though all the way.
Mosley fans here is one guy (Doug Fisher) predicting a Mosley win. He makes some decent points:
Doug Fischer: "Floyd doesn't have the size and range as Winky or Forrest"
From Doug Fischer's latest mailbag (Apr 28, 2010)
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My “boxing acumen” is the reason I’m picking Mosley to win. My prediction has nothing to with any disdain for Mayweather. If that were the case I would have picked someone else to beat him by now. But I haven’t. And that’s because I respect Mayweather’s skills (if not his careful self-management). It’s also because I respect Mosley.
Yes, I remember well what Forrest and Wright did to Mosley (and I disagree that Shane didn't make adjustments in the rematches, which were more competitive than the first fights). I don't believe that Mayweather can do what they did. Not because I think Mayweather isn't as good as those two excellent boxers -- he's better in a pound-for-pound sense -- but because I don't think he's as big as they are and it's obvious that he has a different style.
Mayweather does not have the range that the late Forrest had with his jab and he does not commit to his right hand the way the Viper did (nor does his right hand have the power Forrest's did). I do not believe that Mayweather is as effective at 147 pounds as Forrest was. I know Mayweather isn’t as effective at 154 pounds as Wright was, and neither was Mosley. Shane just found that out the hard way -- by actually getting in the ring with Winky. It says here that if Mayweather fought Wright at junior middleweight the same thing that happened to Molsey would have happened to him. Wright was way too big, strong and technically proficient for Mayweather to cope with. Mosley was durable and game enough to make their first bout competitive for five rounds. I don't even think Floyd could have done that.
It's silly to compare Mayweather with these rangy 6-foot-tall technicians. It's even sillier to regurgitate Floyd's "There's-no-blueprint-to-beat-me" mantra. The blueprint is in his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo, a bout that he was lucky to win. It's in his victories over Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, and even his knockout of Ricky Hatton. Floyd’s a defensive marvel but he’s not untouchable.
If you don't have a sharp boxing mind, you won't see that fact, and if a fighter doesn't have a strong will and self belief he won't be able to take advantage of that fact.
Contrary to popular thought, Mosley does have a sharp boxing mind (and trainer Naazim Richardson only enhances it). Mosley's will and self belief is as strong as any fighter who has ever laced on a pair of gloves. That‘s why I‘m picking him to win on Saturday.
Doug Fischer: "Floyd doesn't have the size and range as Winky or Forrest"
From Doug Fischer's latest mailbag (Apr 28, 2010)
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My “boxing acumen” is the reason I’m picking Mosley to win. My prediction has nothing to with any disdain for Mayweather. If that were the case I would have picked someone else to beat him by now. But I haven’t. And that’s because I respect Mayweather’s skills (if not his careful self-management). It’s also because I respect Mosley.
Yes, I remember well what Forrest and Wright did to Mosley (and I disagree that Shane didn't make adjustments in the rematches, which were more competitive than the first fights). I don't believe that Mayweather can do what they did. Not because I think Mayweather isn't as good as those two excellent boxers -- he's better in a pound-for-pound sense -- but because I don't think he's as big as they are and it's obvious that he has a different style.
Mayweather does not have the range that the late Forrest had with his jab and he does not commit to his right hand the way the Viper did (nor does his right hand have the power Forrest's did). I do not believe that Mayweather is as effective at 147 pounds as Forrest was. I know Mayweather isn’t as effective at 154 pounds as Wright was, and neither was Mosley. Shane just found that out the hard way -- by actually getting in the ring with Winky. It says here that if Mayweather fought Wright at junior middleweight the same thing that happened to Molsey would have happened to him. Wright was way too big, strong and technically proficient for Mayweather to cope with. Mosley was durable and game enough to make their first bout competitive for five rounds. I don't even think Floyd could have done that.
It's silly to compare Mayweather with these rangy 6-foot-tall technicians. It's even sillier to regurgitate Floyd's "There's-no-blueprint-to-beat-me" mantra. The blueprint is in his first fight with Jose Luis Castillo, a bout that he was lucky to win. It's in his victories over Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, and even his knockout of Ricky Hatton. Floyd’s a defensive marvel but he’s not untouchable.
If you don't have a sharp boxing mind, you won't see that fact, and if a fighter doesn't have a strong will and self belief he won't be able to take advantage of that fact.
Contrary to popular thought, Mosley does have a sharp boxing mind (and trainer Naazim Richardson only enhances it). Mosley's will and self belief is as strong as any fighter who has ever laced on a pair of gloves. That‘s why I‘m picking him to win on Saturday.
all those fights you referenced with Mosley were all with his dad all in his ear too, you heard Mosley say this himself on 24/7. his father's mind wasn't 100% into the fight game like it should have been at the time. i've been watching mosley fight ever since he was battling it out on espn in the beginning of his career at LIGHTWEIGHT where i truly believe was the golden age of his career. smaller guys with quick hands and pretty damn good defense is really nothing new to him. you forget shane is a fast motherfucker himself nomatter how old he is and his long layoff from the ring. dude has just as fast hands as mayweather but mayweather's just look faster because of his fighting style...shane is more robotic and floyd is more fluid but the speed is about the same its just that they have different ways of showing it. thing is though, mosley has the power to go along with that speed, not even mentioning his superior combo skills. floyd's defense won't beable to hold off the "old" sugar the entire fight, he still has plenty of fight in him. he has been rejuvenated in his "old" age and me being the fan of his i am i have seen it with my own eyes...lol dude is a wiley veteran who knows what hes doing in there. now he has mr. naazim richardson in his corner to boot, he has done pretty well with hopkins in his old age too don't you think?
floyd better not try getting into a brawl with him or he will for surely get ko'd. shane is the strongest, fastest, smartest, aggressive fighter floyd has faced yet. i hope mayweather steps up and fights him toe to toe, i don't think he will though...shane will touch em a few good times and he will realize hes in the fight of his life and decide to pack it in and do what he does best hit n' run. he won't beable to do that all fight though, maybe with a slower and weaker puncher who isn't accurate. mr. mosley will be on em the entire fight, floyd will eventually be forced to go heads up i believe and this is exactly what i will be waiting for just like the rest of America...lol
Nobody likes a an egomaniac with a loud mouth. Come May 1st he shall be humbled in front of the masses!
floyd better not try getting into a brawl with him or he will for surely get ko'd. shane is the strongest, fastest, smartest, aggressive fighter floyd has faced yet. i hope mayweather steps up and fights him toe to toe, i don't think he will though...shane will touch em a few good times and he will realize hes in the fight of his life and decide to pack it in and do what he does best hit n' run. he won't beable to do that all fight though, maybe with a slower and weaker puncher who isn't accurate. mr. mosley will be on em the entire fight, floyd will eventually be forced to go heads up i believe and this is exactly what i will be waiting for just like the rest of America...lol
Nobody likes a an egomaniac with a loud mouth. Come May 1st he shall be humbled in front of the masses!
I agree shane was at his best at 135 and mosley is the best opponent floyd has fought in a while. And as much as I love Naazim (I've known about him forever being that I'm a huge Hopkins fan) I just think Floyd's defense, his ring IQ and the way he pot-shots and moves when it's too close for comfort will be too much for shane.
I also disagree when you say Floyd can't "run" all night because Floyd has some of the best stamina in the game. I've never seen him tired or fatigued late in a fight. Add to that Floyd is arguably the greatest counter puncher in the sport and if shane is going to be chasing him he's going to eat a whole lot of leather. Shane is going to have to take 3-4 shots in the face in order to get off one of his. That takes a toll on a fighter, even a machine like mosley.
Further, mayweather IS the most accurate puncher in the sport, no one even comes close to floyd in that category. His +/- ratio of his punches landed compared to his opponents punches landed on him is insane, and since compubox has been recording stats, floyd is ahead in that category by miles. His average connect is 47% while his opponents average connect is 15%. It's almost mind-boggling.
Also, Floyd has an underrated chin, he's never really been knocked down in his career and underrated power. He doesn't have 1 punch knockout power but when he wants to he has enough power on his punches to gain respect and I think shane is going to be eating a lot of leather and you'll see him very frustrated towards the end of the fight.
I hope I'm wrong because Mosley knocking out floyd would be great
I also disagree when you say Floyd can't "run" all night because Floyd has some of the best stamina in the game. I've never seen him tired or fatigued late in a fight. Add to that Floyd is arguably the greatest counter puncher in the sport and if shane is going to be chasing him he's going to eat a whole lot of leather. Shane is going to have to take 3-4 shots in the face in order to get off one of his. That takes a toll on a fighter, even a machine like mosley.
Further, mayweather IS the most accurate puncher in the sport, no one even comes close to floyd in that category. His +/- ratio of his punches landed compared to his opponents punches landed on him is insane, and since compubox has been recording stats, floyd is ahead in that category by miles. His average connect is 47% while his opponents average connect is 15%. It's almost mind-boggling.
Also, Floyd has an underrated chin, he's never really been knocked down in his career and underrated power. He doesn't have 1 punch knockout power but when he wants to he has enough power on his punches to gain respect and I think shane is going to be eating a lot of leather and you'll see him very frustrated towards the end of the fight.
I hope I'm wrong because Mosley knocking out floyd would be great
you bring some good points sixx, and you know your shit about his fight game. but what you don't see is this is the best fighter floyd has EVER faced not just in "awhile". you atleast gotta admit that. who was better? really though.
floyd's accuracy is overrated in my book, the competition he faced over his career compared to shane's is laughable. mayweather's hands and power do not intimidate mosley with the type of fighters he has faced in his career. shane will keep coming like a freight train at him all night until floyd gives him a reason to respect his offensive skills. which we all know will only come out when hes in trouble and it will be a mistake on his part because my boy mosley is pretty damn accurate himself who i might add can lay havoc on someones face and body with a bunch of punches in bunches baby! lol
i will be praying for a toe to toe slugfest though...hopefully the boxing gods will make this happen. i don't want to see mayweather go out there and squeak by without really doing anything to truly earn it. what makes it the worst is, he would continue to talk all loud and boastful like hes some kinda god that slays dragons or some shit when we all know thats a fuckin lie...lol
im very confident with mosley in this fight, he isnt in there fighting for just money. he wants to be the ONE to defeat the undefeated. and if there is any fighter out there with the fighting style to do it...its sugar.
floyd's accuracy is overrated in my book, the competition he faced over his career compared to shane's is laughable. mayweather's hands and power do not intimidate mosley with the type of fighters he has faced in his career. shane will keep coming like a freight train at him all night until floyd gives him a reason to respect his offensive skills. which we all know will only come out when hes in trouble and it will be a mistake on his part because my boy mosley is pretty damn accurate himself who i might add can lay havoc on someones face and body with a bunch of punches in bunches baby! lol
i will be praying for a toe to toe slugfest though...hopefully the boxing gods will make this happen. i don't want to see mayweather go out there and squeak by without really doing anything to truly earn it. what makes it the worst is, he would continue to talk all loud and boastful like hes some kinda god that slays dragons or some shit when we all know thats a fuckin lie...lol
im very confident with mosley in this fight, he isnt in there fighting for just money. he wants to be the ONE to defeat the undefeated. and if there is any fighter out there with the fighting style to do it...its sugar.
Since floyd's days at 135 pounds mosley is the best. We'll see if he turns out to be his toughest opponent ever.
Well, if shane is such a freight train how come he couldn't bulldoze Miguel Cotto? How come Cotto could out-box him during the stretch?
I've been wanting that to happen ever since I've been watching floyd and it's yet to happen, lol. Maybe, but it's unlikely!
Well, if shane is such a freight train how come he couldn't bulldoze Miguel Cotto? How come Cotto could out-box him during the stretch?
I've been wanting that to happen ever since I've been watching floyd and it's yet to happen, lol. Maybe, but it's unlikely!
they both landed the same amount of punches in that fight. we all know styles make fights and with cotto fighting in puerto rican heavy NY it gave him the home field advantage by a wide margin. it makes a difference a ton when a fighter has the support of the crowd. not that im trying to make excuses here or anything, i just believe it is a huge benefit for a fighter to fight where hes comfortable.
like i said in one of my previous posts, this is a changed Mosley. his persona lately just reminds me so much of back in his lightweight days when i became a fan of his....its like something has clicked in his head as of late and hes on a mission.
like i said in one of my previous posts, this is a changed Mosley. his persona lately just reminds me so much of back in his lightweight days when i became a fan of his....its like something has clicked in his head as of late and hes on a mission.