Fast-food workers strike nationwide in protest against wages

[Mr. Nice Guy]

If you raise minimum wage, you have to raise the dudes wage (accordingly) that was makin 5 bucks above min. Then you gotta raise the chicks wage whos makin 8 more than min. Up and up the ladder. Eventually, the minimum wage is higher but not any more valuable.

Fast food aint worth more than the minimum. You can get work at McDonalds at 16 years old.

It's actually much worse (and more complicated) than that.

It's called upward pressure, and even though it is artificially created (minimum wage) it has the same result as the supply/demand curve when the demand for jobs is greater than the supply.

However, if minimum wages were increased to say $15 an hour, the labor to produce, ship, distribute, sell, etc would increase as well. This would lead to an increase in the CPI.

When the CPI goes up, the relative value of savings goes down, which means raising the minimum wage has a very strong negative impact on retirees (their savings is now worth less).

So if you want to raise the minimum wage to 15hr, than you must hate old people.



And that's really just scratching the surface.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I do find it interesting that many on the Sicc showed support for servers at restaurants stating they work hard and deserve their tips(I remember that thread), but belittle the fast food employees by saying they dont work hard. Sorry, but neither job requires any critical thinking skills or education passed high school. A 16 year old can work at McD's, but they can also work at a restaurant as well.

Thats not true.

We are talking customer service vs. someone throwing a burger in a bag and saying "order up!"

Not even in the same realm.

And their is a reason you dont see 16 years old serving/waitressing at $75 a plate restaurants. Or any job outside bagging groceries/flipping burgers/ripping movie tickets for that matter.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I fully support this and I believe the national minimum wage should be no less than $17.50/hr. Australia does it, works for them.

But like Australia I would pay teenages less money (many fast food employees). 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 year olds would have different and lower pay depending on their age, so a 15 year old may make $7.50, with pay increases per age.

 

[HIM]

Thats not true.

We are talking customer service vs. someone throwing a burger in a bag and saying "order up!"

Not even in the same realm.

And their is a reason you dont see 16 years old serving/waitressing at $75 a plate restaurants. Or any job outside bagging groceries/flipping burgers/ripping movie tickets for that matter.

Someone has to cook the burger, put it together, wrap it, take the order, clean up the spills(not all the same person). In fact, Carl's Jr. still brings the food to your table if you're dining in. Its still customer service whether you want to admit it or not. Might not be the best, but its still CS.

$75 dollars a plate is NOT the majority of restaurants and those are NOT the places where majority of people dine on a regular. In fact, at those places I don't even see the "just turned 21" years old or people in college at those places. That is more so a maturity thing and less about their skill set because I am willing to bet my money that an 18 year old can be trained just as fast as a 30 year old working at a restaurant as a server.

My point still stands, it takes the same amount of education to work at McD's that it does to work as a server at a restaurant.

lol @ saying its not even in the same realm...Dont be dramatic and act like I compared working at McD's to being a Professor.

 

[Ry]

If you dont like your pay then do something about it, work hard, get an education, start a business etc. We need low paying minimum wage jobs to stimulate people to do better for themselves. I swear our society is moving towards the society in the movie Idiocracy...

 

[InfamousICON]

I fully support this and I believe the national minimum wage should be no less than $17.50/hr. Australia does it, works for them.

The United States has a population of 313 million, Australia has a population of 20 million.

We're overcrowded with less available jobs per capita.

You can't compare a country with over 10x the population to another country with that little of a population who doesn't have a problem with overcrowding.

 

[InfamousICON]

I do find it interesting that many on the Sicc showed support for servers at restaurants stating they work hard and deserve their tips(I remember that thread), but belittle the fast food employees by saying they dont work hard. Sorry, but neither job requires any critical thinking skills or education passed high school. A 16 year old can work at McD's, but they can also work at a restaurant as well.

Someone has to cook the burger, put it together, wrap it, take the order, clean up the spills(not all the same person). In fact, Carl's Jr. still brings the food to your table if you're dining in. Its still customer service whether you want to admit it or not. Might not be the best, but its still CS.

$75 dollars a plate is NOT the majority of restaurants and those are NOT the places where majority of people dine on a regular. In fact, at those places I don't even see the "just turned 21" years old or people in college at those places. That is more so a maturity thing and less about their skill set because I am willing to bet my money that an 18 year old can be trained just as fast as a 30 year old working at a restaurant as a server.

My point still stands, it takes the same amount of education to work at McD's that it does to work as a server at a restaurant.

lol @ saying its not even in the same realm...Dont be dramatic and act like I compared working at McD's to being a Professor.

As far as "hard work" you serious can't compare a McDonalds employee to even a server or a cook at an Applebees or a Chilis, I've done both jobs in my life, a worker at a restaurant busts their ass 10x harder than that kid pouring fries in the fryer at McDonalds. That shit ain't even comparable.

That's also why a cook at Applebees or Olive Garden is gonna start out at $10 an hour instead of minimum wage compared to a "cook" aka fry guy or burger flipper at a fast food place.

 

[InfamousICON]

As far as "hard work" you serious can't compare a McDonalds employee to even a server or a cook at an Applebees or a Chilis, I've done both jobs in my life, a worker at a restaurant busts their ass 10x harder than that kid pouring fries in the fryer at McDonalds. That shit ain't even comparable.

That's also why a cook at Applebees or Olive Garden is gonna start out at $10 an hour instead of minimum wage compared to a "cook" aka fry guy or burger flipper at a fast food place.

On that note you also never hear news stores about Applebees and Olive Garden employees crying about wages and going on strike...

 

[Sav_Clicc_21]

Pay Carolina's Mexican food workers 25.00$ cuz the bacon egg and potato burrito is a necessity in this life lol fuk McDonalds and inn and out

 

[2-0-Sixx]

How can places like Dick's and Taco Time pay considerably more and stay in business?

For several years Dick's has offered best-in-industry employee benefits such as a matched 401(k), 100% employer-paid medical insurance, and a $22,000 college tuition scholarship after six months of work.[5]

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Someone has to cook the burger, put it together, wrap it, take the order, clean up the spills(not all the same person). In fact, Carl's Jr. still brings the food to your table if you're dining in. Its still customer service whether you want to admit it or not. Might not be the best, but its still CS.

You mean, someone has to MICROWAVE the burger? Yes, newsflash, McD's MICROWAVES their food before they give it to you. Quite trying to make it harder to work their than it really is.

And we arent talking about Calr Jr...we are talking about McD's.

$75 dollars a plate is NOT the majority of restaurants and those are NOT the places where majority of people dine on a regular. In fact, at those places I don't even see the "just turned 21" years old or people in college at those places. That is more so a maturity thing and less about their skill set because I am willing to bet my money that an 18 year old can be trained just as fast as a 30 year old working at a restaurant as a server.

You just proved my point, breh.

My point still stands, it takes the same amount of education to work at McD's that it does to work as a server at a restaurant.

Ill give you that. However, they are not the same job by any stretch of the imagination like you are trying to pass it of as.

lol @ saying its not even in the same realm...Dont be dramatic and act like I compared working at McD's to being a Professor.

I never did. But again, there is a reason you dont see kids working at nice restaurants. Thats the point.

 

[Filthy_Rich]

It really is a slave mentality to put a corporation, such as McDonalds, Burger King, or Yum Brands, aka the plantation, whose profits are multi-billion annually yet cannot provide the simplest forms of employee appreciation such as profit sharing competitive wages and health insurance (to name a few), before your fellow (wo)man.

Your entitlement gets the best of you again. Nobody said McDonald's can't provide "the simplest forms of employee appreciation" (300% pay increase by your standards). We're saying that they don't have to. It's not McDonald's role to appreciate their employees and take care of them. It's their role to pay them as mutually agreed upon. If the employees don't like the agreement, they shouldn't enter into it. If they change their mind after the agreement starts, they can quit. It's the opposite of slavery. You're the slave if you think you need McDonald's to stay alive.

 

[HIM]

I say let them try and get more money. The worst that could happen is they get a NO and then they will either quit or go back to work. Also, why are some of you mad that these people are asking for a increase? Since when do we get mad at people for wanting a raise? Whether warranted or not. Athletes get millions and they still want raises. Let these people do what they feel they need to do. At least they are making an honest living and not on the street robbing your or your family. Let them try to get a few extra bucks.

If you're mad that a McD's employee might be making $15 an hour and that is more than your current job, then maybe you should find another job or go work at McD's... or maybe you're worried about your burger price going up? just saying..Dont give me that "oh its about the economy." I tell you this, it is NOT the people that work at McD's that are ruining the economy.

 

[HIM]

You mean, someone has to MICROWAVE the burger? Yes, newsflash, McD's MICROWAVES their food before they give it to you. Quite trying to make it harder to work their than it really is.

And we arent talking about Calr Jr...we are talking about McD's.



You just proved my point, breh.



Ill give you that. However, they are not the same job by any stretch of the imagination like you are trying to pass it of as.



I never did. But again, there is a reason you dont see kids working at nice restaurants. Thats the point.

Wait, so this discussion is ONLY about McD's and not fastfood in general? You do know McD's are NOT the only fastfood chain paying minimum wage and I am willing to bet that they are not the only fastfood chain that their employees want raises. See, now you're being petty.

 

[HIM]

As far as "hard work" you serious can't compare a McDonalds employee to even a server or a cook at an Applebees or a Chilis, I've done both jobs in my life, a worker at a restaurant busts their ass 10x harder than that kid pouring fries in the fryer at McDonalds. That shit ain't even comparable.

That's also why a cook at Applebees or Olive Garden is gonna start out at $10 an hour instead of minimum wage compared to a "cook" aka fry guy or burger flipper at a fast food place.

Neither is hard work, as in difficult or requires any type of critical thinking. Just because you're sweating trying to rush(not even all the time) food and drinks to a table, doesnt mean your job is HARD. It may be demanding, but it is not hard. In that case, In N Out employees work hard and they are basically doing the same s--t as the workers at McD's, but they are far more busier, therefore they work harder, but is it hard work?

P.S. I have love for servers and for anyone working an honest job in general, so I have nothing against servers or anyone who works in food services. I know the hardest part is dealing with the people.

 

[NAMO]

Yes you do

You can literally, no bullshit, be a crackhead and get a job at McDonalds. If you were to up and give McDonalds workers say a $5.00 an hour raise you would definately have to spread that across all industry.

Why would somebody bust their ass to go to school for a degree or a certification if crackhead high school drop out changes minimum wage jobs every 2 months Joe Blow gets paid the same?

The fuck would I want to put in effort to better myself with years of schooling or training and actually put in work and bust my ass every day to just look over and watch some loser pouring fries into a fryer and wiping down some tables twice a night make as much money as me.

There's a reason McDonalds employees don't make shit, because A: it takes zero training or experience to get their job, B: their job isn't hard and they barely do anything for work, and C: there's more people looking for these shitty jobs due to lack of education or being a complete fuck up than the actual jobs that exist, one minimum wage worker quits a job, 10 more are gonna swoop in and try to get it.



Handing these people who do easy, but shit work more money just establishes that you can be lazy and don't have to succeed in this world, but we'll just give you what everyone else has anyway because you can't live as good as the person that busted their ass and it makes you sad. lol






*in before the excuses about people's environment or upbringing is why they're stuck in these jobs, can't wait to here that one.

I think you place a too high importance on useless college degrees.

$15 might be too high currently but it atlest should keep up with inflation and it hasn't. I have seen how they work, while it is no job for a brain surgeon, it is still work. Even $10 is fine, I wouldn't complain, then it would atleast be an improvement.

Lastly how can you call $15 per hour, living it up..? lol

I fully support this and I believe the national minimum wage should be no less than $17.50/hr. Australia does it, works for them.

But like Australia I would pay teenages less money (many fast food employees). 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 year olds would have different and lower pay depending on their age, so a 15 year old may make $7.50, with pay increases per age.

That is exactly how it works here and everybody is happy. We also have workers rights in place to prevent companies from exploiting them.

The United States has a population of 313 million, Australia has a population of 20 million.

We're overcrowded with less available jobs per capita.

You can't compare a country with over 10x the population to another country with that little of a population who doesn't have a problem with overcrowding.

You can't speak on it unless you lived here, the infastructure we have in place is not good enough because we are all along the coastline. Don't let that big swab of land in the middle fool you, nobody lives there. We are all jam packed on the coastal areas.

 

[InfamousICON]

I say let them try and get more money. The worst that could happen is they get a NO and then they will either quit or go back to work. Also, why are some of you mad that these people are asking for a increase? Since when do we get mad at people for wanting a raise? Whether warranted or not. Athletes get millions and they still want raises. Let these people do what they feel they need to do. At least they are making an honest living and not on the street robbing your or your family. Let them try to get a few extra bucks.

If you're mad that a McD's employee might be making $15 an hour and that is more than your current job, then maybe you should find another job or go work at McD's... or maybe you're worried about your burger price going up? just saying..Dont give me that "oh its about the economy." I tell you this, it is NOT the people that work at McD's that are ruining the economy.

It's not about being "mad", it's about more selfish people acting like they're entitled. They walked into that store, filled out an application, agreed upon a wage when hired, do easy as fuck work for the wage they agreed upon, now all of a sudden they feel "entitled" for a massive wage increase more than doubling what they earn and on top of that possibly fucking over other employees who couldn't go to work because the restaurants had to shut down.

News flash to the McDonalds employee, there's a reason you work there, you ain't entitled to shit, you agreed upon a wage, if you want more then work hard for it and don't expect a massive wage increase.

If these people were striking for a national minimum wage increase, or striking for a little bit more money, cool go for it, but they ain't.

Neither is hard work, as in difficult or requires any type of critical thinking. Just because you're sweating trying to rush(not even all the time) food and drinks to a table, doesnt mean your job is HARD. It may be demanding, but it is not hard. In that case, In N Out employees work hard and they are basically doing the same s--t as the workers at McD's, but they are far more busier, therefore they work harder, but is it hard work?

You're still comparing apples and oranges for the sake of argument at this point.

"It may be demanding, but it is not hard." That statement is pretty fucking stupid. That's like saying being an accountant for a multi-million dollar company isn't "hard" but it's just demanding. LOL what the fuck is your definition of "hard" work? You gotta be out in the sun lifting heavy shit all day or something?

 

[InfamousICON]

Lastly how can you call $15 per hour, living it up..? lol

Quote me where I said that.

You can't speak on it unless you lived here, the infastructure we have in place is not good enough because we are all along the coastline. Don't let that big swab of land in the middle fool you, nobody lives there. We are all jam packed on the coastal areas.

America has multiple single metropolitan areas more populated than your entire country, so once again, you can't compare wages for overpopulated areas in our country compared to yours.

 

[HIM]

You're still comparing apples and oranges for the sake of argument at this point.

"It may be demanding, but it is not hard." That statement is pretty fucking stupid. That's like saying being an accountant for a multi-million dollar company isn't "hard" but it's just demanding. LOL what the fuck is your definition of "hard" work? You gotta be out in the sun lifting heavy shit all day or something?

Actually, I am not...demanding as in running around, standing your shift and dealing with rude people at times(Fastfood deals with rude people as well, most likely worse), but the work is not hard as in difficult or requires any type of special knowledge or education that a 17 year old couldnt just be trained up real quick to do. How hard is that to understand? What is the hard part about it? bringing the food that's prepared by a cook on a plate or pouring the drinks? Or is it the dealing with the customers? Feel free to add more..I'll wait.

You act like the mf's are rolling around on skates and doing splits or something. What's next, the Hooters girls job is hardwork? That's a restaurant as well.

 

[InfamousICON]

I'm a realist. I realize not everybody in our country of 313 million is going to be able to be middle class with a big house with the white picket fence and the fancy new car.

I realize if minimum wage got raised to $17.50 the following would occur:

Small business would die. Tell me what little locally owned deli, bar, clothing store etc. would be able to keep current work force while paying double?

Business that could afford to pay workers that would more than likely cut jobs leaving lesser amount of people to do more work.

Only billion dollar corporate business would be able to afford workers on a large scale.

Less jobs and even more people than there is now employed, competing for shit jobs at McDonalds.