Does anyone disbelieve in God but believe in the Spiritual Realm?

[n9newunsixx5150]

the consciousness of a former living being that no longer inhabits the physical body.

Ok... so then what are the defining characteristics of this "spiritual realm"? In order to analyze whether God goes hand in hand with the spiritual realm, we need to make sure our understanding of these concepts is not so vague. Most people have this idea that spiritual simply means intangible or incorporeal. That is a really bad definition. There is a theoretical substance that is thought of as infinitely elastic and the medium through which electromagnetic waves travel, but it is so subtle that it is basically intangible. This ethereal substance could then be considered "spiritual". But what the fuck kind of qualifier is the word "spiritual" for such a thing?? Why not just stick to the words intangible or incorporeal? Once again, we need better definitions.

 

[taetae]

1) If you are going to rely on a definition of "spiritual" with the word "spirit" in it, then please define "spirit".

2) Try to find a positive definition rather than one that defines what something isn't. Spirit is not material. Okay, great. And chopsticks aren't am/fm radios.

If you want to play semantics, there are many other synonyms:

airy, asomatous, devotional, discarnate, disembodied, divine, ethereal, extramundane, ghostly, holy, immaterial, incorporeal, intangible, metaphysical, nonmaterial, nonphysical, otherworldly, platonic, pure, rarefied, refined, sacred, supernal, unfleshly, unphysical, mystical

916, What are your beliefs concerning this matter? I get the impression you do believe in God and therefore I'm sure you believe in this "spiritual realm" that I speak of. If I'm off, let me know.

 

[taetae]

sorrry, didn't see your above [post

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

If you want to play semantics, there are many other synonyms:

airy, asomatous, devotional, discarnate, disembodied, divine, ethereal, extramundane, ghostly, holy, immaterial, incorporeal, intangible, metaphysical, nonmaterial, nonphysical, otherworldly, platonic, pure, rarefied, refined, sacred, supernal, unfleshly, unphysical, mystical

916, What are your beliefs concerning this matter? I get the impression you do believe in God and therefore I'm sure you believe in this "spiritual realm" that I speak of. If I'm off, let me know.

Yes. I believe in God and the spiritual realm. I just want to take this step by step. The definitions seem too vague. Refer to my previous post concerning "spiritual" as meaning "ethereal", "incorporeal" or "intangible". Is the ethereal substance theorized by science, "spiritual" simply because it is intangible?? And if that is really your definition of spiritual, then the obvious answer is that one need not also believe in God. Though when I say I believe in the spiritual realm, I am not talking about the same thing.

 

[taetae]

I would say that my definition does not require the belief in god, but rather of lesser energies, forces, entities outside of ourself. I do believe in God, but for this argument, belief in God is not necessary. In my experience, everything that is spiritual is intangible, but not everything that is intangible is spiritual. It has to do more with a spirit or group of spirits/entities purposefully driving the force behind whatever phenomenon, rather than some random occurence. God can also be that force, and I think it is more likely for us to notice the force from God then another lesser being.

 

[TROLL]

Ok... so then what are the defining characteristics of this "spiritual realm"?

A vast ethereal ocean littered with transcending souls/spirits/consciousness' (pick your label)

In order to analyze whether God goes hand in hand with the spiritual realm, we need to make sure our understanding of these concepts is not so vague.

u must remember, i said earlier that i dont believe god is a deity or a free thinking being but more of a cosmic self perpetuating cycle..

Most people have this idea that spiritual simply means intangible or incorporeal. That is a really bad definition.

well, u DO know that intangible can also imply the non-material presence of an embodied existence right?...

There is a theoretical substance that is thought of as infinitely elastic and the medium through which electromagnetic waves travel, but it is so subtle that it is basically intangible.

yea its just like we all understood the concept of static having electrical properties and how ur body can store it, but if u can agree that its there and that we give it off and that our brain gives it off what happens to the collective memorys stored into the final charge we give off in our brain??, IT DISSIPATES.. into an energy spurt.. on an electromagnetic-like form of existence.. the earth gives off such energies but i believe it recycles itself (GOD)

This ethereal substance could then be considered "spiritual". But what the fuck kind of qualifier is the word "spiritual" for such a thing??
Why not just stick to the words intangible or incorporeal? Once again, we need better definitions.

because to some the word spirit has religious implications but thats the beautiful thing about language... the flexibility of adding and/or not recognizing definitions pertatining to that word, language creates words that act as receptors and a transmitters for such such things as emotions ((i.e hate speech))

 

[PreachOnBrotha]

And for those of you who do believe in God, do you believe in God because of experiences in the Spiritual Realm, or was your belief in God reinforced based on your experiences? Have you ever entered the Spiritual Realm? How?

I've always believed in God since I can remember.

One thing that confirmed His existence to me was a near death experience and a brush with the law that I wasn't guilty of, yet they had alot of evidence and still the case was dismissed. I prayed alot during that time, and my prayers were answered because I was innocent.

 

[ThaG]

I've always believed in God since I can remember.

One thing that confirmed His existence to me was a near death experience and a brush with the law that I wasn't guilty of, yet they had alot of evidence and still the case was dismissed. I prayed alot during that time, and my prayers were answered because I was innocent.

and that proves God exists, right?

 

[PreachOnBrotha]

Brother,

I have BEEN THERE. I don't need someone else's findings to substantiate my beliefs. The difference between you and I is that I HAVE experimentally verified evidence, you don't.

I want you to drink ayahuasca and go talk to God about this one.

Are you talking to me?

 

[PreachOnBrotha]

and that proves God exists, right?

I sense hostility so I see no point in replying to this other than to say if you want me to explain in more detail, please don't disrespect me, as I have not you.

I notice there are alot of punks on here that bash people with certain beliefs, why don't they try dialogue instead of outright hate?

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Once again, we need better definitions.

Which I'm sure would be found in the Vedic, Upanishad and Puranic scriptures ?

Are you not ending this the same place it would have started and ended had we just asked a JW, Mormon, Christian, or any other religious person?

"Look in the Bible"

 

[Dhadnot]

I sense hostility so I see no point in replying to this other than to say if you want me to explain in more detail, please don't disrespect me, as I have not you.

I notice there are alot of punks on here that bash people with certain beliefs, why don't they try dialogue instead of outright hate?

You'll encounter a lot of that nonsense on here.

 

[PreachOnBrotha]

You'll encounter a lot of that nonsense on here.

Yeah, I've noticed, homes.

I honestly don't know why people have to be that way on the internet. Here you have the perfect chance to ask something of someone with differing views honest questions, and they waste it insulting them.

Straight up, I think that most that do that stuff are chicken shit cowards who wouldn't even attempt to say the things they say to those with different views outside of the comfort of anonymity.

 

[taetae]

Are you talking to me?

No that was for thaG.

Anyways I appreciate your comment about have a near death experience. Care to elaborate on natt?

 

[PreachOnBrotha]

No that was for thaG.

Anyways I appreciate your comment about have a near death experience. Care to elaborate on natt?

I was shot during a retaliation hit due to mistaken identity.
I heard a honk outside my home and was expecting some homies to swoop me for a party. I pulled open the curtain, and they just started shooting. I was hit in my chest, I remember the feeling I had when the first bullet hit.
Shit felt like it would feel if a gorilla punched me in the chest!

 

[ThaG]

I sense hostility so I see no point in replying to this other than to say if you want me to explain in more detail, please don't disrespect me, as I have not you.

I notice there are alot of punks on here that bash people with certain beliefs, why don't they try dialogue instead of outright hate?

I've tried dialogue and it doesn't work

The typical situation involves me presenting a lot of factual and experimental evidence supporting certain position and people like ParkBoyz refusing to understand and/or believe it

Dialogue doesn't work because logic and reason are incompatible with something like religion that requires you to blindly and without questioning believe whatever you're told is true

again, how does the fact that you were almost sent to prison but you prayed hard and the case was dismissed proves God exists?

Isn't the explanation that it was a mere coincidence much more plausible?

Especially when you consider the hundreds of people who also prayed hard but their prayers were not "answered"

A lot of amputees pray hard but nobody ever in human history has recorded a limb growing again. While this happens all the time with neuts. Why is that? Oh, probably these people didn't pray hard enough... Or it's God's plan we can not understand... Or something else people like you are always quick to make up.

 

[PreachOnBrotha]

I've tried dialogue and it doesn't work

The typical situation involves me presenting a lot of factual and experimental evidence supporting certain position and people like ParkBoyz refusing to understand and/or believe it

Dialogue doesn't work because logic and reason are incompatible with something like religion that requires you to blindly and without questioning believe whatever you're told is true

again, how does the fact that you were almost sent to prison but you prayed hard and the case was dismissed proves God exists?

Isn't the explanation that it was a mere coincidence much more plausible?

Especially when you consider the hundreds of people who also prayed hard but their prayers were not "answered"

A lot of amputees pray hard but nobody ever in human history has recorded a limb growing again. While this happens all the time with neuts. Why is that? Oh, probably these people didn't pray hard enough... Or it's God's plan we can not understand... Or something else people like you are always quick to make up.

I am getting the feeling you had a family tragedy or something like that that caused you to be hostile towards "religion".
I understand, but think you ought to think twice before you dismiss GOD as a fairytale character.
Either way, you're too hostile to have a serious discussion about this topic. It would be like banging my head into a brick wall to go any further.

 

[JLMACN]

^^^im sure he has


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[2-0-NINE]

I only speak on things I know

Ok then ThaG, don't speak.

 

[ThaG]

I am getting the feeling you had a family tragedy or something like that that caused you to be hostile towards "religion".

no, I haven't

my hostility is based entirely on the realization of how false, useless and dangerous religion is and I have come to that realization on my own and at an early age

I understand, but think you ought to think twice before you dismiss GOD as a fairytale character.

I am ready to bet that at the age of 2 when the concept of God was abusively fed on your little brain you didn't think at all before you accepted it

Either way, you're too hostile to have a serious discussion about this topic. It would be like banging my head into a brick wall to go any further.

I am open to a serious discussion but I have the feeling that my definition of serious discussion and yours differ

If you're ready to bring scientific arguments in support of your position, then we can have a serious conversation