Does anyone disbelieve in God but believe in the Spiritual Realm?
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You have to realize how vague this is. Certainly everyone knows that there are energies, forces and entities outside of oneself. This doesn't necessarily constitute anything "spiritual," or beyond the material universe.
So what if you went to "Heaven" and saw God in form? Would you then say God is no longer spiritual? Or do you expect the spiritual to always be intangible? Perhaps you should consider why spiritual may be intangible due to your current circumstances, and not jump to the conclusion that being intangible is an absolute quality of spirit.
How do these spirits/entities pertain to a "spiritual realm"? If they are the driving force behind certain phenomenon, then are they not dwelling right here in the material realm? Let us say for a moment that all living entities are spirits, in that some may have physical bodies and some may not. What qualifies these "spirits" as being beyond the material nature? Couldn't it be that just as the subtle, ethereal substance theorized by science is a constituent of this material nature, so are us spirits? And in that case, wouldn't the question in this thread just boil down to asking if anyone disbelieves in God but believes in material nature? Upon inspection, this so-called "spiritual realm" doesn't seem to hold any value. There has to be a better definition.
But then God can be a constituent of the material nature. What is the distinguishing characteristic of this God? If God is spiritual, then what does that constitute? Find out what makes God "spiritual" and then we will understand what makes other things spiritual.
So what if you went to "Heaven" and saw God in form? Would you then say God is no longer spiritual? Or do you expect the spiritual to always be intangible? Perhaps you should consider why spiritual may be intangible due to your current circumstances, and not jump to the conclusion that being intangible is an absolute quality of spirit.
How do these spirits/entities pertain to a "spiritual realm"? If they are the driving force behind certain phenomenon, then are they not dwelling right here in the material realm? Let us say for a moment that all living entities are spirits, in that some may have physical bodies and some may not. What qualifies these "spirits" as being beyond the material nature? Couldn't it be that just as the subtle, ethereal substance theorized by science is a constituent of this material nature, so are us spirits? And in that case, wouldn't the question in this thread just boil down to asking if anyone disbelieves in God but believes in material nature? Upon inspection, this so-called "spiritual realm" doesn't seem to hold any value. There has to be a better definition.
But then God can be a constituent of the material nature. What is the distinguishing characteristic of this God? If God is spiritual, then what does that constitute? Find out what makes God "spiritual" and then we will understand what makes other things spiritual.
You had it, so what?
You are 100% certain it was "real" because you had it and there's no way you can be wrong
I want proof that you really had an NDE (because I've seen statistics claiming that 8 millions americans had an NDE; there must be a lot of tragic accidents in this country or most of these people just lie) and it was not caused by physiological processes
There's no way you can provide it
You are 100% certain it was "real" because you had it and there's no way you can be wrong
I want proof that you really had an NDE (because I've seen statistics claiming that 8 millions americans had an NDE; there must be a lot of tragic accidents in this country or most of these people just lie) and it was not caused by physiological processes
There's no way you can provide it
n9newunsixx5150: are you being repetitive on purpose? you can only zero in on so many diffrent words to define and re-define.. like i said earlier, language is universal and so can the definitions be..
you dont know what trancsending means?
tran·scend (trān-sěnd') Pronunciation Key
v. tran·scend·ed, tran·scend·ing, tran·scends
1. To pass beyond the limits of: emotions that transcend understanding.
2. To be greater than, as in intensity or power; surpass: love that transcends infatuation. See Synonyms at excel.
3. To exist above and independent of (material experience or the universe)
with emphasis on number three.. your 'spirit'/'consciousness' will move freely throughout this plane of ethereal existance..
the frequency of energy the 'ethereal ocean' resides.. being anchored down by the impressions someone made in their physical life on their surroundings and the people they have come in contact with. once these things begin to fade, (places/memories) they (spirit) 'transcend' above that realm and onto another frequency..
on the waves of particles that are unseen to us by the naked eye..
you dont know what trancsending means?
tran·scend (trān-sěnd') Pronunciation Key
v. tran·scend·ed, tran·scend·ing, tran·scends
1. To pass beyond the limits of: emotions that transcend understanding.
2. To be greater than, as in intensity or power; surpass: love that transcends infatuation. See Synonyms at excel.
3. To exist above and independent of (material experience or the universe)
with emphasis on number three.. your 'spirit'/'consciousness' will move freely throughout this plane of ethereal existance..
the frequency of energy the 'ethereal ocean' resides.. being anchored down by the impressions someone made in their physical life on their surroundings and the people they have come in contact with. once these things begin to fade, (places/memories) they (spirit) 'transcend' above that realm and onto another frequency..
on the waves of particles that are unseen to us by the naked eye..
I know what the word transcending means. I was asking what it meant in how you were using it. That is why I followed with 'what' and 'how' questions.
At least we are getting somewhere now. So you say that spirits transcend the material universe. What is beyond this universe? What is the nature of that existence in comparison to this material realm?
Wait... the ethereal ocean/spiritual realm resides amid an inferior frequency? Please explain.
I should have been a bit more clear on that last question. I wasn't looking so much for the process of travel. I was looking for what makes the conscious being/spirit transcendental in comparison to whatever reference point you were implying. Since then you have explained the reference point as the material universe. So basically I am asking what makes the spirit transcendental to the material realm.
At least we are getting somewhere now. So you say that spirits transcend the material universe. What is beyond this universe? What is the nature of that existence in comparison to this material realm?
Wait... the ethereal ocean/spiritual realm resides amid an inferior frequency? Please explain.
I should have been a bit more clear on that last question. I wasn't looking so much for the process of travel. I was looking for what makes the conscious being/spirit transcendental in comparison to whatever reference point you were implying. Since then you have explained the reference point as the material universe. So basically I am asking what makes the spirit transcendental to the material realm.