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JoMoDo

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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424929296&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle/ShowFull

A Fatah official in Ramallah on Sunday launched a scathing attack on Hamas and described its leaders as "criminals."

Speaking to The Jerusalem Post on condition of anonymity, the Fatah official denounced Hamas as a "black and bloody militia" that was responsible for the "catastrophe" in the Gaza Strip.

The official warned that failure to crush Hamas completely would undermine Fatah and pave the way for the collapse of moderate Arab regimes.

He said that Hamas was fighting on behalf of Iran and Syria - the only two countries that have been supplying the movement with weapons and money.

"The Iranians and Syrians are using Hamas to undermine the Palestinian Authority and other moderate Arab governments," the Fatah official told the Post. "Victory for Hamas in this war would mean victory for Iran, Syria and Hizbullah. This is something we need to prevent."

The official expressed hope that the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip would revolt against Hamas when the IDF operation ended. He also expressed hope that Hamas leaders Mahmoud Zahar and Ismail Haniyeh would be tried before a Palestinian court as "war criminals." The Hamas leaders, he charged, were responsible for the death of hundreds of innocent Palestinians. "Ever since they came to power, they brought death and destruction to our people."

The official would neither confirm nor deny a report according to which Egypt was training Fatah activists to regain control over the Gaza Strip. According to the report, some 300 Fatah militiamen who had fled to Egypt during the violent Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip in the summer of 2007 were being trained by Egyptian security experts.

Ahmed Abdel Rahman, the official Fatah spokesman in the West Bank, mocked statements made by Syrian-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal to the effect that Israel's military operation in the Gaza Strip had failed.

He said that Mashaal's remarks did not reflect the reality on the ground. "Khaled Mashaal was talking [on Al-Jazeera] as if the Hamas tanks were surrounding Tel Aviv," he said. "It's obvious that Mashaal has never been to the Gaza Strip and doesn't know what he's talking about."

Abdel Rahman, who is also a senior adviser to PA President Mahmoud Abbas, said that Mashaal and the Hamas leadership were mistaken to think that the Gaza Strip belonged to their movement. "The Gaza Strip belongs to the Palestinian people," he said. "The Gaza Strip is part of Palestine and not a Hamas-owned estate."

In a separate development, a leaflet distributed by Fatah in Ramallah accused Hamas of targeting dozens of Fatah members in the Gaza Strip. It said many Fatah activists and supporters have been executed by Hamas militiamen in the past two weeks.

The leaflet said that the Hamas government had placed hundreds of Fatah members under house arrest out of fear that they would exploit the IDF operation to stage a coup against Hamas.

In addition, the leaflet said, Hamas militiamen have shot many Fatah members in the knees to make sure that they won't be able to participate in any anti-Hamas activities. The leaflet called on Abbas to fire the Fatah leadership in the Gaza Strip for allegedly failing to defend its members against Hamas.
 
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Rights group: Israel uses incendiary bombs in Gaza

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090111/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_white_phosphorus

Rights group: Israel uses incendiary bombs in Gaza

JERUSALEM – Human Rights Watch said Sunday that Israel's military has fired artillery shells with the incendiary agent white phosphorus into Gaza and a doctor there said the chemical was suspected in the case of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies.

Researchers in Israel from the rights group witnessed hours of artillery bombardments that sent trails of burning smoke indicating white phosphorus over the Jebaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza. But they could not confirm injuries on the ground because they have been barred from entering the territory.

The chief doctor at Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza said he treated several victims there with serious burns that might have been caused by phosphorus. He said, however, that he did not have the resources or expertise to say with certainty what caused the injuries.

The substance can cause serious burns if it touches the skin and can spark fires on the ground, the rights group said in a written statement calling on Israel not to use it in crowded areas of Gaza.

Military spokeswoman Maj. Avital Leibovich refused to comment directly on whether Israel was using phosphorus, but said the army was "using its munitions in accordance with international law."

Israel used white phosphorus in its 34-day war with Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006. The U.S. military in Iraq used the incendiary during a November 2004 operation against insurgents in the city of Fallujah.

An AP photographer and a TV crew based in Gaza visited Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis on Sunday and recorded images of several burn patients.

One of them, Haitham Tahseen, recalled sitting outside his home with his family in the morning when something exploded above them.

"Suddenly, I saw bombs coming with white smoke," said the man, whose burned face was covered with medical cream. "It looked very red and it had white smoke. That's the first time I've seen such a thing."

His cousin, in another hospital bed, was more severely burned, with patches of skin peeling off his face and body, and had to be wrapped with thick white bandages.

The hospital's chief doctor, Youssef Abu Rish, said the burns were not from contact with fire, but he couldn't say what sort of substance caused them. He said information he collected on the Internet indicated it could have been white phosphorus.

White phosphorus is not considered a chemical weapon, and militaries are permitted under laws of warfare to use it in artillery shells, bombs and rockets to create smoke screens to hide troop movements as well as bright bursts in the air to illuminate battlefields at night.

Israel is not party to a convention regulating its use. Under customary laws of war, however, Israel would be expected to take all feasible precautions to minimize the impact of white phosphorus on civilians, Human Rights Watch said.

"What we're saying is the use of white phosphorus in densely populated areas like a refugee camp is showing that the Israelis are not taking all feasible precautions," said Marc Garlasco, a senior military analyst for the rights group. "It's just an unnecessary risk to the civilian population, not only in the potential for wounds but also for burning homes and infrastructure."

Garlasco was among researchers on a ridge about a mile (1.5 kilometers) from the Gaza border who observed the shelling from a 155mm artillery unit on Friday and Saturday.

Some of the burning trails of smoke caused fires on the ground that appeared to go out after a few minutes, said Garlasco, who formerly worked at the Pentagon where he was in charge of recommending high-value targets for airstrikes during the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Each 155mm shell contains 116 of what Garlasco described as wafers doused in phosphorus that can be spread over an area as large as a sports field, depending on the height at which it detonates. The phosphorus ignites when it comes in contact with oxygen.

Human Rights Watch has not been able to confirm whether there have been any civilian casualties from phosphorus. The group has a consultant working for it inside Gaza but he has been unable to move around due to the danger. Foreign journalists have also been barred from entering Gaza.

Garlasco said photos published Thursday in British newspaper The Times showed Israeli units handling American-manufactured white phosphorus shells with fuses on them.
 
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JUST REMEMBER MOST OF WHAT YOU ARE HEARING HERE INTHE WESTERN WORLD AND ON WESTERN NEWS IS NOT EVEN HALF OF THE STORY. ITS ALL JUST BIASED BULLSHIT. NO MATTER WHAT NEWS STATION YOU WATCH THEY ARE ALL BIASED AND TAKING ISRAELS SIDE. GO TO AL JAZEERA ENGLISH AND SEE WHATS UP.

ALSO ONE WAY WE CAN SUPPORT PALESTINIANS WOULD BE NOT TO SUPPORT ISRAEL BY BUYING PRODUCTS THAT SEND MONEY AND SUPPORT TO ISRAEL SUCH AS COCA COLA, MCDONALDS, ETC, MOST OF THOSE ARE ISREALI SUPPORTING COMPANYS.

FUCK ISRAEL AND BUSH IN THE 09
 
JoMoDo

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shermhead, check out www.memritv.org

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are these the same 'doctors' that are really Hamas leaders hiding out in the hospitals? maybe not, I'll be curious to see the reports***

2-0, Europe has always hated the Jews/Israel, so no surprise there.

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The International Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest it is being used improperly or illegally.
IAF strikes in Gaza last week.

IAF strikes in Gaza last week.
Photo: AP
Slideshow: Gaza op, Day 18

The comments came after a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using the incendiary agent, which ignites when it strikes the skin and burns straight through or until it is cut off from oxygen. It can cause horrific injuries.

The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise "extreme caution" in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization's mines-arms unit.

"In some of the strikes in Gaza it's pretty clear that phosphorus was used," Herby told The Associated Press. "But it's not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it's being used in any other way."
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In response, the IDF said Tuesday that it "wishes to reiterate that it uses weapons in compliance with international law, while strictly observing that they be used in accordance with the type of combat and its characteristics."

Herby said that using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or knowingly putting civilians at risk.

However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza, where Palestinian health officials say more than 900 people have been killed and 4,250 wounded since Israel launched its offensive late last month. The operation aims to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks over the border.

Human Rights Watch accused Israel of firing phosphorous shells and warned of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries. The chemical was suspected in the cases of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies.

White phosphorus is not considered a chemical weapon.
 
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JoMoDo said:
2-0, Europe has always hated the Jews/Israel, so no surprise there.
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It's not just Europe where rallies are being held in protest against Israel/in support of the Palestinians, it's all over the world JoMoDo, including all over the U.S.

I don't know how the hell you can sit here and pretend Israel is in the right for their murderous actions. Sometimes I suspect you get paid to troll message boards with the lone purpose of defending israel and spreading propaganda.
 
JoMoDo

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2-0-Sixx said:
I don't know how the hell you can sit here and pretend Israel is in the right for their murderous actions. Sometimes I suspect you get paid to troll message boards with the lone purpose of defending israel and spreading propaganda.
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lol, that'd be a tight job, but I'm sure there are other organizations that handle that. Off topic, but for the record, this is the only message board I post, it's just on this subject I'm clearly a minority (especially being how many people hate Jewish people or Israel on this sight)**

I have many friends and family in and from there, so I guess I see and understand things differently.

I can just as easily ask you how the hell can you sit here and say that Hamas is right? quite the double standard
What's funny, is I used to be way more critical, but to be honest this site has been a huge part in swaying and strengthening my Zionism.

**It's as if people think that Israel were gone, all the problems in the mid-east would be some much easier resolved. If Israel were wiped off the map, you think someone is going to waive a magic wand and say, 'ahhh Palastine' yeah right, that shit would be cut up and partitioned by Egypt, Jordan, & Syria with the quickness, prolly resulting in more war, death, and destruction.

The sad reality is no one gives a shit about the Palestinians. Why do you think Egypt didn't want them when the wanted the Sinai back? Why won't Jordan, Lebanon, or Egypt absorb any of them into their countries, rather than keeping them in refugee camps. These are the same gov't that back in '48 told them to leave, or if they are found remaining they will be killed. Why doesn't Egypt open it's boarders for supplies?

I've said it before, and I mean it and feel it, it is sad an entire group of people is used as political pawns. There is no denying it, they were fucked, we were fucked, life goes on, deal with it. I firmly believe deep down they're our brothers (but how many brothers do you know that have real deal beef, I can name more than a few, anyway, I digress). Violence will breed violence, and neither side will know peace until all sides realize this and figure out how to move forward. Until then, this cycle will continue. Palestinians should have peace and basic rights, but so should Israel.
 
Syko Sniper

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^^ah yes Egypt and co should take in the Palestinians so there is more room for jews to settle, no thanks.

jews have been riding the pity train for far too long now, but alot the world can see through the bullshit (this is what you call anti-semite). I hope Obama stops supporting Israel (highly doubtfull) and its murderous actions.
 
Mr. Nice Guy

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Syko Sniper said:
^^ah yes Egypt and co should take in the Palestinians so there is more room for jews to settle, no thanks.

jews have been riding the pity train for far too long now, but alot the world can see through the bullshit (this is what you call anti-semite). I hope Obama stops supporting Israel (highly doubtfull) and its murderous actions.
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You are clearly being blinded by your belief that this is a black and white issue and it shows your inability to comprehend the situation when you categorize people so readily. Most of the people in both Palestine and Israel are innocent yet you don't seem to think any different of them then you do of the aggressors and perpetrators of the murderous actions.
 
Syko Sniper

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You are clearly being blinded by your belief that this is a black and white issue and it shows your inability to comprehend the situation when you categorize people so readily. Most of the people in both Palestine and Israel are innocent yet you don't seem to think any different of them then you do of the aggressors and perpetrators of the murderous actions.
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no, the majority support hamas and the majority support isreal.

I go by facts too, not emotions, if anything I have said isnot true, pease point it out.
 
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AS AN AMERICAN, I SAY FUCK THE REST OF THE WORLD, LET THEM TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, NO ONE EVER DOES ANYTHING BUT LEACH OF OF THE USA, AFRICA AS A CONTINENT HAS ALL THE RESOURCES TO BE A SUPER POWER AND FEED HALF THE WORLD BUT GREED AND STUPIDITY HAS ALLOWED IT TO CONSTANTLY EXPLOITED BY MANY FOURGN COUNTRIES FOR 100S OF YEARS WHILE THEY STARVE SOMEONE ELSE IS LIVING LARGE, FUCKEM , ISREAL HAS BEEN RECEIVING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR FOR YEARS, THEY HAVE PROVED THAT THEY CAN HOLD THERE OWN IN A WAR, FUCKEM SAME GOES FOR ANY OTHER COUNTRY AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED, EVERY OTHER COUNTRY TAKES CARE OF THERE SELVES BUT THE USA, JUST LOOK AT WHOS BROKE HAHA LET THE OTHER COUNTRIES DEVELOP AND GROW NOT GET HANDOUTS
 
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