Do you condemn Israel's actions in Gaza?

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Jan 31, 2008
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i agree, they are both wrong.
One is more capable of acting in an appropriate manner. WTF do they think is going to happen when they decided to not allow palestinian kids necessities to live and for their parents to provide? Adding fuel to the fire will burn the whole state down, and this goes for the both of them. Id just expect a world power to act more accordingly with its capabilities.
 
Mar 28, 2006
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#23
Since many of us now live on land that was previously in the "possession" of someone else, should all of us then start firing rockets at one another to solve the dispute?
You are way off here, now.

I do support the Palestinians, because of humanitarian reasons.
They live in a big fucking jail-house. The jews treat them like
fucking adolf treated the jews.

If this was 1935. Id support the jews of Germany.
 
Jul 10, 2002
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As the IDF offensive concluded its fourth day on Tuesday, Hamas accused the Palestinian Authority of planning to return to the Gaza Strip with the help of Israel.
PA President Mahmoud Abbas...

PA President Mahmoud Abbas looks on during a press conference in Cairo, Sunday.
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According to a report published by the Hamas-affiliated Palestine Information Center Web site, PA President Mahmoud Abbas has ordered his officials in Ramallah to set up an "emergency room" to prepare for reassuming control over the Gaza Strip after the Hamas government is toppled by Israel.

It said the emergency room consisted of commanders of the PA security forces and the interior minister.

The report claimed that Abbas was coordinating his moves with the Egyptians and the Saudis.

It also quoted sources in Ramallah as saying that Abbas's top adviser, Nimmer Hammad, phoned Defense Ministry official Amos Gilad last week and told him that the PA "believes in Israel's right to liquidate Hamas."

Earlier this week, two senior PA officials told The Jerusalem Post that the PA was "ready" to return to the Gaza Strip when and if the Hamas government was overthrown.

The Hamas allegation, which has been strongly denied by the PA, is an indication of the growing tensions between the Islamist movement and Abbas's Fatah faction in the wake of the IDF offensive.

Tensions between the two parties peaked earlier this week when Abbas and other PA leaders held Hamas responsible for the current violence because of its refusal to extend the cease-fire with Israel.

Hamas officials are convinced that one of the main goals of the IDF operation is to remove the Hamas government from power so as to pave the way for the return of Abbas's men to the Gaza Strip.

Hamas legislator and spokesman Mushir al-Masri claimed that Abbas had known in advance about the exact timing of the "surprise" IDF attack.

"It's no secret that Abbas knew in advance about the attack," he said. "This is not our analysis; rather, it's based on information we received recently."

A Hamas official in Gaza City also claimed that former Fatah security commanders who fled the Strip during the Hamas takeover in the summer of 2007 were holding meetings in Cairo and Ramallah to discuss returning home.

"These Fatah members are working with the Egyptians, Israelis and Americans," he said. "They include [former Fatah security chiefs] Muhammad Dahlan and Rashid Abu Shabak."

The Hamas official accused the Fatah representatives of providing Israel with "vital information" about the location of Hamas security installations.

A leaflet distributed by a Fatah group in Gaza urged supporters of the faction to prepare for the possibility of taking control over the Gaza Strip.

The leaflet said that the Palestinians in the Strip were being held "hostage" by Hamas, which has humiliated and starved them.

It called on all Hamas members in Gaza who were not involved in crimes against Fatah and the Palestinian people to seek refuge with the heads of major clans to avoid being punished.

Fatah also called on all its members and supporters to be prepared to assume full control over the Gaza Strip "to impose law and order and defend the Palestinian people."

However, a Fatah official in Ramallah denied that his faction was behind the leaflet, saying he did not rule out the possibility that it was part of Hamas's "fabrications."

The official said he was unaware of any plans by the PA to return to the Gaza Strip.

"We want to see an end to the brutal Hamas regime, but that should be done by the Palestinians and not Israel," he said. "Hamas is so desperate that they have begun spreading lies and inciting against the PA and Egypt."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230456537100&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle/ShowFull
 
Dec 25, 2003
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The simple issue is: How many Israeli civilians have been killed due to Qassam rockets and gunfire from the occupied territories? I think it's been something like 7 in the past 3 years.

Does this justify Israel's actions?
 
Jul 10, 2002
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There are no occupied territories. Israel pulled out of Gaza & West Bank in '05, from which Gaza has constantly been firing rockets. Thus, the act of firing rockets is an act of war, IMO

300,000 in S. Israel have been under constant bombardment. Israeli casualties have been minimal b/c they are better equipped/prepared to be under attack and are under constant instruction to be within one minute of a bomb shelter in towns like Sderot or Ashkelon, ect.

Since Dec. 19th, when Hamas ended the ceasefire, they stepped up their attacks 20fold. Israel waited 8 days appealing to stop the rockets. Hamas didn't, Israel responded hard, Hamas fired more rockets, Israel responded harder, hence the cycle of violence continues.
 
Jul 10, 2002
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from AJC

1. Co-Existence vs. Destruction - Israel is in favor of a two state solution that will enable Palestinians and Israelis to co-exist in peace. Hamas rejects such an outcome and calls for Israel's destruction.

2. Restraint Rejected - For more than a week before Israel finally responded, Hamas launched hundreds of missiles at Israel in an effort to kill and terrorize civilians. During this period Israel and many other countries urged Hamas to stop its reign of terror and resume the lapsed ceasefire. Hamas refused.

3. No Country Could Do Less - No country can allow its citizens to be so jeopardized and not respond. Few, if any, would have exercised the restraint that Israel did for as long as it did.

4. Human Shields and Human Rights - Hamas not only has placed the lives of innocent Israelis at risk, but also, in violation of international law and the most basic standards of human rights, has jeopardized the lives of its own citizens by placing military and strategic sites in densely populated residential zones - in effect turning the occupants into human shields.

5. Hamas' Readiness to Sacrifice Innocent Civilians - All evidence points to the fact that the Israelis are using the utmost care to minimize civilian casualties. Still it remains inevitable tragedy, given the circumstances, that there will be casualties. Even as Israel is launching its attacks it is allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza from Israel.

6. What The Future Holds - None of us knows what the future holds, but common-sense dictates that no country and no people can be asked to sit around and wait till those who intend harm are in a position to deliver it. Israel is taking measures to secure the safety of its people. This is the obligation of any nation.

7. Where We Stand - We mourn the loss of innocent lives, but it is important to understand that these tragic loses flow directly from Hamas' reckless drive to undermine and destroy Israel - whatever the cost. We also hope and pray that Hamas and its supporters soon come to their senses and choose the path of peace.
 
Dec 25, 2003
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The Israeli stranglehold of the Palestinian people, demolition of homes, control of water, highways, emergency services, and appropriation and settlement of land is the backdrop to this and every Israeli-Palestinian conflict there is.

Against this backdrop any action against Israel is justified.

This framework of So and So attacks, Israel retaliates is a categorically false characterization. There is a wide-scale military occupation that amounts to essentially ethnic cleansing; social, economic, and political suffocation. There is only a military force aggressively attacking and invading, and a Palestinian response.

Edit: I think I read somewhere that from 1967 until now, around 500 towns and villages that existed have essentially vanished, been settled and overtaken, or destroyed.
 
Jul 24, 2008
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ur dumb snowblower.

Let the antismetic/jew hating/anti zion/anti israel thread begin again. Most of the world condemns these attacks b/c of a deep hatred toward jews. (there is no global outcry to the situation in Iraq, Sudan, the Congo, ect. why?)
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Playing the religion card? That's like saying putting an immigrant behind bars for murder is racist.
why do jews/israelies call anyone who disagrees with them anti-semetic?
Haha
 
Jul 10, 2002
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^^^
I say War is terrible and ugly.

I also say Shame on Hamas for using civilians as and human shields, and jeopardizing their own people by using their own people's living quarters for weapons stockpiles/meeting facilities/ect. with the purpose to put targets on their own civilians well being in harms way to build support for their hateful stated goals.

When Hamas stops the rocket attacks, IDF will stop their destruction.

On another note, I do firmly believe that once the violence stops Israel/US/UN/Arab League should put heavy investment into the infrastructure into new hospitals, schools, & roads once this war is over. (not only in Gaza, but in W. Bank and Arab/Israeli towns within Israel as well)

If the standard of living is elevated, and the Palastinians and Arab-Israeli's can see that they have the same facilities and opportunities as their Israeli counterparts, so they can no longer say look what they have and we don't. It will be the first step in the right direction.

This is a new school of thought for me, but after talking to an Orthodox colleague of mine (who is very pro-zionest), Israel should have been investing as much money in their infrastructure as it's own.
 
Mar 26, 2006
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that's fuckin terrible.

JoMoDo how can you lie to yourself after seeing shit like this. Do you just cover your eyes and pretend you don't see?

thats the kind of footage that needs to be shown on CNN and the major networks around the globe

if that happened to israel, it would be everywhere on the news