Dawn of the Dead for white people aka the new dp'z video

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May 13, 2002
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The song is about fighting the system. They are against Capitalism, they are against the Government. They have socialist views.

Who cares if they robbed a white family? What difference does it make if the family was white, asian, mexican or black? The simple fact is their message is to fight the system...take from the system. They are revolutionaries. Their views are not much different then the Black Panthers or Malcom X.

Remember EDJ's revolution thread? I'm sure we both agree that a revolution will not occur unless the people unite and fight. That's what they are about. Whether or not you agree with them is beside the point. They're message is a lot deeper then "robbing that innocent white family."

Now you can go ahead and reply with your gay comments and call me the biggest dp fan or whatever. Just remember, I have not purchased one of their albums. I thought their last album sucked. I disagree with a bunch of shit that they have said in the past, but at the same time I agree with a lot of their shit. They have songs about eating healthy, getting to know a woman before sex, physical training, mental training and a lot of other positive shit. Yes, this particular song is violent, but this is a violent world, and a lot of people agree that violence is necessary for change.
 
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*throws up hands in shock and awe*

But they robbed a white family!

This is going to cause black kids everywhere to hate white people! And make white people racist! The whole social dynamic of America will be altered by this video by a small, independent artist!
 
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559_Soldado said:
@ NITRO

your taking this shit way to seriously pal, cause you know what type of people are gonna buy this record? Middle american White kids.
Yes, and now they're all going to rob themselves, causing a huge drop in the stock market. You know what gregarious spendors kids these days are.
 
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559_Soldado said:
your taking this shit way to seriously pal, cause you know what type of people are gonna buy this record? Middle american White kids.
He asked people to respond to the integrity of the video itself, not how "tight" that shit was. So I gave my two cents. I'm not saying this will make people racist like WHITE ARYAN is saying (to get respect back from those who pulled his aryan card), I'm saying that, if you look into the mind of a white supremacist, you will probably find that he/she is reinforcing his beliefs based on images like this. Can you tell me why they portrayed a white family like this? Why did they make the family look as *happy* and *innocent* as possible.. Why didn't they used some skinheads or rednecks (who are more involved with the system) to make the video? What are they trying to say with this? I have seen so many occasions where whites are criticized not only on this message board, but in real life for *PETTY* shit, and they make this video and people are laughing, justifying it, and saying it's "hella tight", and you're asking me why I see something wrong with it? Think about that for a minute.

2-0-Sixx said:
The song is about fighting the system. They are against Capitalism, they are against the Government. They have socialist views.

Who cares if they robbed a white family? What difference does it make if the family was white, asian, mexican or black? The simple fact is their message is to fight the system...take from the system. They are revolutionaries. Their views are not much different then the Black Panthers or Malcom X.

Remember EDJ's revolution thread? I'm sure we both agree that a revolution will not occur unless the people unite and fight. That's what they are about. Whether or not you agree with them is beside the point. They're message is a lot deeper then "robbing that innocent white family."

Now you can go ahead and reply with your gay comments and call me the biggest dp fan or whatever. Just remember, I have not purchased one of their albums. I thought their last album sucked. I disagree with a bunch of shit that they have said in the past, but at the same time I agree with a lot of their shit. They have songs about eating healthy, getting to know a woman before sex, physical training, mental training and a lot of other positive shit. Yes, this particular song is violent, but this is a violent world, and a lot of people agree that violence is necessary for change.
In accordance with your paragraphs:

1. What does a white family taking pictures in a park eating hotdogs have to do with the system they are fighting? These are civilians that live under this capitalist ruling without any say in how it is controled. You may say that they represent the "white devil" that created the very system they rebel against, and if you were to say that, then I feel confident that I did not over-react. If you will look back and read through SOLO's posts (look up "never white" in the search engine) and you will find (this is something that is *REAL* and I strongly agree with) that there is a seperation between WHITE people (the global elite, racist, white supremacist, prejudice, the *SYSTEM*) and those who are innocent and bear the same color skin. What I'm trying to tell you is that, although they may be representing a fight against the system, it is without a doubt targeted at the wrong people. If a bunch of rednecks made a video robbing an innocent black family, and I told you they were doing it to represent a hatred for black murderers and racists, wouldn't you be scratching you're head? This all may sound confusing and rather pointless to you, but that is only because no other "white" person you have ever met has brought up these kind of issues. It is all new to you and this board and that is why it is being questioned.

2. It doesn't matter that the family is white. I only talked about "whiteness" because they are all under that stereotype. I understand they are representing a fight against the system, read above for more info on that. It is simply targeted at the wrong people. Because it is so blatantly targeted at the wrong people, I made a comment about them trying to gain attention.

3. I understand they have a message. I'm asking you what is the relevance of *THIS* white family inparticular, and the system they are rebelling against.

4. What did you burn all of their shit? LOL. I'm not bashing you because you're a fan. I have honestly heard songs from this group, and I really thought it was a person with others featured on different songs. I have even read through the lyrics of some of their material that I haven't even heard, long before this thread was even made. I did this because I know *of* them and what they represent, so I read what they had to say. That is what I based my statements on.

I understand what they might be "trying" to say, but they are using the wrong language. Who cares that they robbed a white family? You know what, I don't know who cares. I'm talking about the way they portrayed this family. They didn't just take a white man and women, throw in a couple of kids and rob them in a video. They took this "family", put them in a park taking pictures, eating hotdogs, looking at shuttles, trying to find there way to the next amusement, and they get robbed by a group of black folks. This played out for over a minute-twenty. That family has absolutely nothing to do with what they are against and that is the bottom line.

WHITE DEVIL said:
Yes, and now they're all going to rob themselves, causing a huge drop in the stock market. You know what gregarious spendors kids these days are.
Man hasn't you're card been pulled already.. so shut the fuck up Adolf.

@EVERYONE: If he would have asked me to comment on this song, I would have gave it props and left the thread alone. But he asked for peoples comments on the video, and I gave my opnion. There is nothing "tight" or "right" about the intro to that video, and if you think there is, then you need to keep your mouth shut about your position in life. Peace.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
Maybe, but I just don't think the beginning of that video has any place in hip-hop.
what you talking about? other than the fact that the intro is waaaay to fucken long, it's tight :D

Nitro the Guru said:
1. Can you tell me why that white kid is ignorant? (I'm going to ask this until I get an answer.)

2. You don't think being surrounded by racism that a video of black people robbing a white family will have any effect? Are you that shallow man?
1. if you're assuming that the kid is going to have his father's racist views...then he's ignorant. OR if he's going to judge people of another race by watching a an extreme video that doesnt seem to have any morals, then in my book he's fucken ignorant fuck, wether he agree or disagrees with the video.

2. no effect, only those that are already racist will highlight that video. again, you gotta be ignorant to judge a whole race by a video.
 
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nefar559 said:
1. if you're assuming that the kid is going to have his father's racist views...then he's ignorant. OR if he's going to judge people of another race by watching a an extreme video that doesnt seem to have any morals, then in my book he's fucken ignorant fuck, wether he agree or disagrees with the video.
How is *my* assuming going to make him ignorant? How is the fact that his father will only expose him to these realities make him ignorant? Nefar559, what are the factsors that you believe will make a person racist?

Lazee Demonic said:
What the fuck do you know about "ARYAN". To tell you the truth, I don't think you know a thing about it.
What the do I know about the "Aryan"? I bet through your satanic research you stumbled across the word with a different meaning, and now you think everything else is wrong. Have you researched the history of Germany? Have you ever been to or know *anything* about prison? The "ARYAN" race is the "MASTER RACE" of human beings, mostly decending from Europe. In prison it is the Aryan Brotherhood, made up of white supremacists. In Europe it is non-jewish whites (specifically Germans) who refer to themselves as the "MASTER RACE", a race of "white" humans who believe they are superior to every other nationality and color of humans. Fuck what you thought you knew -- no one wants to hear your made up satanic lies.
 

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i see where youre coming from nitro and youre right 100% but there needs to be a big deal made of this because this IS A REALITY for a lot of poor people who just happen to be disproportionately non whites. this is a problem in just about every impoverished corner of america. you think that shit was made up? it was for the video but every scenario pictured has been repeated numerous times in a ghetto near you. there is an attitude that is poisonous to the youth and bitching about the song is not going to get rid of it. there needs to be an educational revolution for america, i dont even think were in the top 5 in the world. it is fashionable to be an idiot or a convict and that is sad. just like people referring to clinton as the first black president. im sorry but i wouldnt think about having a guy who was known to be a liar, thief, traitor, carry that title if i were black. you can say it was because of the persecution he went through but he brought that all on himself. if i were black id be a lot more offended by that than what paul hornung said about lowering expectations at notre dame to get the black athlete in, i dont like a lot of dead prez lyrics but theyre sincere and i give them props for that. and they got some dope ass production. i dont think their intention is to incite blacks to do this although there are the ignorant ones out there who will imitate.


some of you do, but some of you might not know that the scene in the beginning was more than likely inspired by a movie called gang tapes(mentioned in earlier posts). it wasnt half bad of a movie for being low budget and all. (i hope it was low budget lol)

but i guess the moral is SOMEBODY needs to do something because this is going to continue to be a problem until things change on all sides of racial lines. the video does a good job of depicting how it hurts EVERYBODY regardless of what color you are.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
How is *my* assuming going to make him ignorant? How is the fact that his father will only expose him to these realities make him ignorant? Nefar559, what are the factsors that you believe will make a person racist?

reread the answer and your questions...not coming back till you understand, i laid it all out.
 
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Nitro the Guru said:
What the do I know about the "Aryan"? I bet through your satanic research you stumbled across the word with a different meaning, and now you think everything else is wrong. Have you researched the history of Germany? Have you ever been to or know *anything* about prison? The "ARYAN" race is the "MASTER RACE" of human beings, mostly decending from Europe. In prison it is the Aryan Brotherhood, made up of white supremacists. In Europe it is non-jewish whites (specifically Germans) who refer to themselves as the "MASTER RACE", a race of "white" humans who believe they are superior to every other nationality and color of humans. Fuck what you thought you knew -- no one wants to hear your made up satanic lies.

Look here bible-boy, if you knew anything about the true ARYAN race, you would’ve never specified that dumb fuck statement that you just presented. The TRUE Aryan race was long before the white supremacist, nazi’s and whatever the fuck supreme (master- race) non-jewish race that you just named. If you knew anything about the true “ARYAN”, you would know that the true “ARYAN” comes from Iran. And, if you don’t know, Iran means land of the ARYAN.

Do some research on it!!!

And you dare talk about my Satanic lies?
I set afire your lies; therefore your bible gets burned every time!!!



The Satanist!!!
 
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Sergeant Hustle said:
I thought the video was ridiculous until I saw the end. The last scene is the point of the whole story. He was having a bad dream and that bad dream is many people's reality.
I don't think the bad dream was about what took place in the video. I thought it was about African's being taken away from their homeland. From the beginning of African's arriving in America to the post civil rights era. He woke up and said something like "I had a bad dream, we were somewhere else" -- something along those lines, I only watched it once, but that was my interpretation of his bad dream. He was talking about being away from Africa, in the United States.
 
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Exactly. That's my point...the story is about the reality in the United States. It's not endorsing those acts, it's showing that those acts are a way of life--for some people they might be the only way to survive in their eyes. Not everyone is raised in cool situations where they are shown options. If the video had no message to it, I'd think it was idiotic and unneccessary to endorse all that violence toward anyone of any color. Since the message was a brotha in Africa having a dream about what life in a foreign land could be like and how desparate those circumstances could be, it's more like a wake-up call than anything else both for whites and blacks.