Cool Nutz Television Special 12-11-05 3PM Portland Cable Access

[Dirty Shoez]

^^ Friend, I am talking about dumping footage onto a bootleg-quality DVD-R to get it out quickly to the masses; and you are talking about paying people to make you a DVD so you can charge people and make a profit.

If anyone ought to watch their presentation, it would be you, for admitting you are trying to poke the people for a 10-spot or more, instead of letting them get their hands on this footage for next to nothing.

Why are you editing shit Tadou???

Cus you know im right?Sucks dont it....

Because you commented inbetween what I said to M.I.

I had originally said my comment to him without the @M.I. It looked extremely out of place, so i added:

"^^ Yawn.

@M.I."

And that was it. You can either believe that, or not believe that. I don't really care.

nah man i wasn't suggesting that it would be that hard to post the television show up however i was saying that it is obvious that they aren't looking just to put that single interview on the dvd and instead they are doing a full dvd.

Surely a "Full DVD" would be boring as shit with a one hour interview in there. They would need to majorly overhaul it if they hoped to create a retail-ready product (add more sound, video clips inbetween the talking, etc.)

Only the most hard-core fanatics would want to watch an interview for an hour straight. But an hour interview, chopped up with 2-3 minute performances/freestyles inbetween....very cool.

 

[Gutterson III]

I agree somewhat with the last comment except for this part.

and you are talking about paying people to make you a DVD so you can charge people and make a profit.

253-627-1211 Level One Media.. we recently edited for Meezilini out of Portland also.. make the call, Nutz, make the call! heh

 

[LISICKI]

Gutterson Where you the ones that edited Meezilinis craigs list personal ad's?

LOL

 

[Cool Nutz]

^^ Friend, I am talking about dumping footage onto a bootleg-quality DVD-R to get it out quickly to the masses; and you are talking about paying people to make you a DVD so you can charge people and make a profit.

If anyone ought to watch their presentation, it would be you, for admitting you are trying to poke the people for a 10-spot or more, instead of letting them get their hands on this footage for next to nothing.


Because you commented inbetween what I said to M.I.

I had originally said my comment to him without the @M.I. It looked extremely out of place, so i added:

"^^ Yawn.

@M.I."

And that was it. You can either believe that, or not believe that. I don't really care.



Surely a "Full DVD" would be boring as shit with a one hour interview in there. They would need to majorly overhaul it if they hoped to create a retail-ready product (add more sound, video clips inbetween the talking, etc.)

Only the most hard-core fanatics would want to watch an interview for an hour straight. But an hour interview, chopped up with 2-3 minute performances/freestyles inbetween....very cool.

Homie its called running a business. Everything costs, especially supplies. When your time is valuable, and you are constantly working on creating money making ventures, you can't do everything for free. It's easy for you to talk about shit when you aren't investing in your future. I have put my money where my mouth is, and I take financial risks on my craft. I believe in myself enough to invest in myself.

 

[Cool Nutz]

^^ Yawn.


@M.I.

Why? It was a TV show, a sit-down interview for fuck's sake. How much can you REALLY jazz that one up, other than adding some bonus performance footage, etc.?

He knew this was coming, probably, for a few weeks now...you mean to tell me it would have been that difficult to have menus set up already? Be real here. Drop the politics and speak that realness.

And in terms of me knowing about the show. I knew about the show right before we went to Denmark, returned from Denmark on a Friday, and did the show on Sunday. On that Saturday I editted extra show footage to be included in the TV show, so that there would be extra elements outside of an hour long interview. The same night as the TV show I left for Humboldt Co. to mix the I Hate Cool Nutz album. Life moves at an amazing speed, and things do happen in last minute situations. You can't talk about my business when you aren't involved in it.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Homie its called running a business. Everything costs, especially supplies. When your time is valuable, and you are constantly working on creating money making ventures, you can't do everything for free. It's easy for you to talk about shit when you aren't investing in your future. I have put my money where my mouth is, and I take financial risks on my craft. I believe in myself enough to invest in myself.

Blah blah blah. Whats next? Charging people 25 cents for flyers?

Put a price on anything you want. But don't sit here acting like its NORMAL PRACTICE to do so. For fuck's sake, do you think Bow Wow or Lil Flip run around selling copies of their "Making the Video" or "106 and Park" appearances? .....NO. If ANYTHING, they would make this footage available for FREE or VERY CHEAP.

But once again, bullying is about the only thing you are capable of here. You are not capable of rationally arguing this. Every single thing you say is wrapped in Anchor-man like "I'm better than you" quips, and indeed, foundation.

You cannot match wits with me. You cannot debate me. This much is impossible for you. You are not up to the task. You are not the measure. You do not understand the issues; you only react to the issues with a sort of `seasoned` yet unoriginal and nonprovocative presentation. You barely operate above the survival level. You're funny not because you're a funny person, but because its good for business. Indeed, if you want to play these games, then these games will be played by us.

And in terms of me knowing about the show. I knew about the show right before we went to Denmark, returned from Denmark on a Friday, and did the show on Sunday. On that Saturday I editted extra show footage to be included in the TV show, so that there would be extra elements outside of an hour long interview. The same night as the TV show I left for Humboldt Co. to mix the I Hate Cool Nutz album. Life moves at an amazing speed, and things do happen in last minute situations. You can't talk about my business when you aren't involved in it.

Friend....all i know is you have been posturing with and seeking distribution for and pushing back the release of I.H.C.N. for about the past 3 years, and that much is not open to argument.

First, its this project. Then its Goon Sqwad is coming next. Then, you actually release a Greatest Collaborations (i.e., a "Look at Who I'VE done songs with!") recycled album, followed by a Bosko album with multiple old and recycled tracks.

And you know what? The people are still loving it. Should you continue to take advantage of their love, releasing sub-par products (and charging them for free TV show footage) because you know they won't care?

I wouldn't....but hey, you're you. And I'm just a lowly observer that thinks you can and should do better.

 

[Cool Nutz]

Blah blah blah. Whats next? Charging people 25 cents for flyers?

Put a price on anything you want. But don't sit here acting like its NORMAL PRACTICE to do so. For fuck's sake, do you think Bow Wow or Lil Flip run around selling copies of their "Making the Video" or "106 and Park" appearances? .....NO. If ANYTHING, they would make this footage available for FREE or VERY CHEAP.

But once again, bullying is about the only thing you are capable of here. You are not capable of rationally arguing this. Every single thing you say is wrapped in Anchor-man like "I'm better than you" quips, and indeed, foundation.

You cannot match wits with me. You cannot debate me. This much is impossible for you. You are not up to the task. You are not the measure. You do not understand the issues; you only react to the issues with a sort of `seasoned` yet unoriginal and nonprovocative presentation. You barely operate above the survival level. You're funny not because you're a funny person, but because its good for business. Indeed, if you want to play these games, then these games will be played by us.

Friend....all i know is you have been posturing with and seeking distribution for and pushing back the release of I.H.C.N. for about the past 3 years, and that much is not open to argument.

First, its this project. Then its Goon Sqwad is coming next. Then, you actually release a Greatest Collaborations (i.e., a "Look at Who I'VE done songs with!") recycled album, followed by a Bosko album with multiple old and recycled tracks.

And you know what? The people are still loving it. Should you continue to take advantage of their love, releasing sub-par products (and charging them for free TV show footage) because you know they won't care?

I wouldn't....but hey, you're you. And I'm just a lowly observer that thinks you can and should do better.

The only thing that you are good at is internet debates from your computer work center in Aberdeen. We could go back and forth for the next year, and it still wouldn't make you qualified to talk about the industry. With all of your knowledge why haven't you moved to NY and intern for a major and tell them how to do things the right way.

And in terms of distribution, we have had distribution for the last year. I am seeking opportunities that will make the difference, or increase our reach. It's called progression, and not being complacent.

And in terms of sub-par product, you are entitled to your opinion. However, from song quality, production quality, and everything else associated with releasing a quality product I think that we keep all of that in mind. There is whole nation if not a world that isn't familiar with Jus Family Records, and that is our goal. The nation isn't familiar with Collabos or the Bosko project yet, so I guess until they are none of these projects are recycled.

But I encourage your debates, and it is very interesting chatting with you.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

It is interesting chatting with you as well. But the main thing I would like you to gain out of all of this, is to understand that you have people all over this forum that look TO YOU as a leader. And when YOU are shooting down ideas under the "you ain't done shit" principle...EVERYONE begins doing the same, and viewing the NW rap scene through those same Survival-of-the-Fittest glasses.

We are not animals any more. Back in the day, the woman animals would seek out the so-called Alpha Male, not because of what he could deliver in the future, but because of what he was capable of right now. Any time we invoke the right now argument, we are throwing ourselves back to the Stone Age. And that much is unacceptable.

(Haven't lived in Aberdeen since 2003, by the way)

 

[Mr. Samos]

This is great. Just great.

 

[Gutterson III]

Gutterson Where you the ones that edited Meezilinis craigs list personal ad's?

LOL

what's craigs list??

 

[MrFedEx503]

www.craigslist.org you can find anything on here, its where i found my mustang in my sig

 

[Cool Nutz]

It is interesting chatting with you as well. But the main thing I would like you to gain out of all of this, is to understand that you have people all over this forum that look TO YOU as a leader. And when YOU are shooting down ideas under the "you ain't done shit" principle...EVERYONE begins doing the same, and viewing the NW rap scene through those same Survival-of-the-Fittest glasses.

We are not animals any more. Back in the day, the woman animals would seek out the so-called Alpha Male, not because of what he could deliver in the future, but because of what he was capable of right now. Any time we invoke the right now argument, we are throwing ourselves back to the Stone Age. And that much is unacceptable.

(Haven't lived in Aberdeen since 2003, by the way)

You look to your professor at college to teach the lesson, as they were taught to educate people. Just as you said, people look to me. They look to me because they feel that I have demonstrated that I am capable of running a some what successful independent record label, not just talked about it.

Only the strong and educated will survive, and it just so happens that I have worked to become strong and educated in this field. I don't know it all, but I happen to know enough to make a living doing music professionally.

I'm not qualified to tell Jay Z how to run Def Jam. I might be able to give him some ideas, but I would be disrespecting his business acumen even attempting to do so. This is what you constantly do. You aren't trying to infuse your ideas into someone else's plan, you are trying to tell them what they need to do, when you haven't gained any experience in the field.

Your opinions are respected, but alot of the time they are from an uneducated and ignorant perspective. You could be a valuable asset to someone, but you never give yourself a chance. You seem very educated and informed to some point, but you need to use it the right way. Understand how things really work, and respect what people ahead of you have done. You don't have to always agree with what we are doing, and it might not be the same as what you would do. But we have to do things the way we feel comfortable doing them.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

OK, Let's try it this way. I want you to tell me and this forum what your response would be to Jay-Z, if he looked you straight in your eyes and said "You ain't done shit. You have never ran a record label. You have never sold an album. Everything you've ever done before doesn't even count." -- This is what you continue to do to me, after i have made it crystal clear that i have, in fact, done shows, pressed up and sold albums, and all the rest.

You do not show me any respect, and because of that, you do not deserve complete respect from me. You will get what respect i decide to give out, and you will accept it as that. This is not because I like disrespecting people who i am envious or jealous of, or because taking on superiors makes me feel somehow better about myself; this is because you as a person continually decide to downplay what I have done and accomplished in my short period doing music, and this is what results.


"But we have to do things the way we feel comfortable doing them."

If i might modify a line from the 40 Year Old Virgin: What you're comfortable doing, hasn't been working. You need to open your eyes and ears, and understand that people like me need to be listened to. Instead of doing like any other yahoo, why don't you drop me your phone number and challenge me to call you and elaborate further on these things? Why don't you challenge me to come to Starbucks or some other place, and lay out some of my plans on the table? Do you somehow believe that typed plans are intrinsically full of shit and not possible? That is the way you seem to think.


The reality is that, professionally, you are just like almost everyone else here: You do not strive to innovate or overhaul or revolutionize a damn thing; all you do is read your little books and get "game" from so-called "veterans", and then you keep on recycling the same shit over and over, each time around, still expecting different results. You hype and hype and hype an album, then when it does not deliver, you blame the fans or marketing or something else besides your lack of originality.

You may be eating, but you sure as fuck ain't feasting. Given your credentials and pioneer status, that much is inexcusable. Then again, given your poor attitude, you almost deserve it.


It is time for something new. And if you cannot think of anything new--and all signs point to this being the case, which by the way isn't something to be ashamed of--then you need to find people to do the next-level thinking for you. You need to stop thinking in terms of Respect or Stripes or all this other simple-minded shit, and start thinking in terms of practicality and potential.

 

[DJ Coma]

Tadou I don't think the reason that nobody takes your ideas seriously is because you are inexperienced or whatever. It's the way that you bring them up in such an arrogant know it all way that makes people scoff at you. If I was DJ Q-Bert and a newbie DJ was telling me that I scratch wrong I would get offended. On the other hand if this newbie was suggesting in a nice civilized manner how I could do things differently in my scratching, I might not believe in what he has to say, but I sure as hell will respect it more if he comes off that way. Just something I think you should consider, if not whatever. I do believe you have things to offer, you are just going about it wrong.

 

[Pig-Homo]

If i might modify a line from the 40 Year Old Virgin: What you're comfortable doing, hasn't been working. You need to open your eyes and ears, and understand that people like me need to be listened to. Instead of doing like any other yahoo, why don't you drop me your phone number and challenge me to call you and elaborate further on these things? Why don't you challenge me to come to Starbucks or some other place, and lay out some of my plans on the table? Do you somehow believe that typed plans are intrinsically full of shit and not possible? That is the way you seem to think.

Tadou you are the 40 year old virgin...all the debates nobody agrees on and hates on you for...you just need to slap yourself, do us all a favor and log off permenently and go cop one of these:

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Scratching and Business ideas are two radically different things. The one is subjective artwork and the other is a model and strategem.

I am not going to be "respectful", because "respectful" around these parts means being a tool and a yes-man, and I could give you examples of that all day. I am going to put out my ideas, and if you don't like the presentation, that is your own personal problem for having such low self esteem and confidence. Don't blame me because when YOU put forward an idea that hasn't been pre-approved, you lack backbone to reveal it with a confident, fool-proof demeanor.


For an example of one of my "arrogant, know-it-all" suggestions, was something to the effect of: 'Labels ought to forego the fifth keyboard or 3rd condenser mic, and buy a video camera instead. They will need to do this so that they might capture footage and send it in to TV shows, Websites and the like, all of which will soon be in place. They should do this so the fans will get a better look at them and what they are capable of, and be more motivated to meet them and go to their concerts."

I defy you to make a compelling argument as to, 1) why this isn't a good idea, and 2) why I should describe it in anything but the words I just did above. -- This idea is solid. The equipment situation fits MANY NW-area labels, and we all know this for a FACT. Ergo, it makes no sense to start it off with "Maybe, perhaps, in my humble opinion, labels should buy video cameras." No--they OUGHT TO go buy a video cameras. And it will continue to be OUGHT TO until someone makes a good argument--NOT until someone helpfully points out how many albums I've sold.

 

[Dirty Shoez]

Tadou you are the 40 year old virgin...all the debates nobody agrees on and hates on you for...you just need to slap yourself, do us all a favor and log off permenently and go cop one of these:

So now we want to play this game?

Tell me--how are your remixes going lately? Have you learned how to count beats yet, or are you still making HORRIBLE so-called "remixes" where the acappella don't match up, and you just copy/paste them onto the track as-is?

Silly man, I was remixing better than you at age 15. Thats 7 years ago. You still probably aint figured out how to do it right. You sit there with your smug grin on your face and diss FruityLoops, and if you would have USED FL you wouldn't have gotten so EMBARASSED trying to remix those tracks for Bullet.

 

[Pig-Homo]

So now we want to play this game?

Tell me--how are your remixes going lately? Have you learned how to count beats yet, or are you still making HORRIBLE so-called "remixes" where the acappella don't match up, and you just copy/paste them onto the track as-is?

Silly man, I was remixing better than you at age 15. Thats 7 years ago. You still probably aint figured out how to do it right. You sit there with your smug grin on your face and diss FruityLoops, and if you would have USED FL you wouldn't have gotten so EMBARASSED trying to remix those tracks for Bullet.

you don't make music, you dont do shit, you just hate...ur just a bitch critic that is all hype and type...there's cats networking on these boards makin moves and makin progress and you just sittin there like a bitch, debatin and criticizin, you ain't doin shit...im not going to get into one of your gay little rap debates that u get off on... so ill just leave it at that...patna

 

[DJ Coma]

Scratching and Business ideas are two radically different things. The one is subjective artwork and the other is a model and strategem.

I am not going to be "respectful", because "respectful" around these parts means being a tool and a yes-man, and I could give you examples of that all day. I am going to put out my ideas, and if you don't like the presentation, that is your own personal problem for having such low self esteem and confidence. Don't blame me because when YOU put forward an idea that hasn't been pre-approved, you lack backbone to reveal it with a confident, fool-proof demeanor.


For an example of one of my "arrogant, know-it-all" suggestions, was something to the effect of: 'Labels ought to forego the fifth keyboard or 3rd condenser mic, and buy a video camera instead. They will need to do this so that they might capture footage and send it in to TV shows, Websites and the like, all of which will soon be in place. They should do this so the fans will get a better look at them and what they are capable of, and be more motivated to meet them and go to their concerts."

I defy you to make a compelling argument as to, 1) why this isn't a good idea, and 2) why I should describe it in anything but the words I just did above. -- This idea is solid. The equipment situation fits MANY NW-area labels, and we all know this for a FACT. Ergo, it makes no sense to start it off with "Maybe, perhaps, in my humble opinion, labels should buy video cameras." No--they OUGHT TO go buy a video cameras. And it will continue to be OUGHT TO until someone makes a good argument--NOT until someone helpfully points out how many albums I've sold.

Deny it all you want but in this business presentation is EVERYTHING. I know little about the music industry compared to others but I can tell you that much is damn near a fact. Presentation is everything in the business world as a whole as well. As for my ideas, Im not saying I got better ones than you or that I am even thinking of ideas like you are. I'm saying if I were to put an idea out there I guarantee it would garner a bigger following just because I wouldn't find it necessary to be a dick when I put it out there. And BTW that analogy could be used just as easy for business or for an art. You can call scratching subjective art but business plans are also subjective. Not everybody runs their business the same way or agrees with how others run their businesses.

About your idea, nowhere did I say your ideas are bad, I even said I think you have things to offer, I just said that you come off like a piece of shit. Just because in one case you said some shit in a normal manner doesn't mean anything for the tons of other posts where you are negative. I will revert back to your first reply in this very topic for a great example of you acting like an arrogant know it all.

Yeah, someone has the tape, but who cares.

I mean....it'd be great and all if someone would offer to upload the tape to their computer, encode it to MPEG 2, make a DVD and then ship them out for cost plus shipping (roughly $2).....but naaaaaaaaah. We're too busy worrying about how to make Hot Songs and get Budgets to worry about all that.

Either you saw the show, or you missed it. If you missed it, tough shit. It isn't worth me, for one, spending my time putting in the work to help you all get it. I mean...I haven't even sold 1000 albums yet. So why should you get to watch this TV show?

There, that's you being a complete asshole for no reason. Don't even begin to tell me you couldn't have brought that exact same idea up like this instead:

"Cool Nutz, I think it would be a good idea if you were to upload this interview to the internet for us all to see or press it up on DVD-R's and sell them for cost plus shipping so that us outside of Portland that want to can get a chance to see this."

Being respectful here in no way makes you a tool or a yes-man. It makes you get respect back like it does in real life. And if you are respectful to somebody and they don't give it back then fuck them they don't deserve your time. Sometimes you need to be assertive but you can also do that in a respectful way. And because how this industry works, especially hip-hop, if you are continually disrespectful there is a great chance that you will do it to the wrong person and end up with your face kicked in. END OF STORY.

 

[MrFedEx503]

^^ real talk