EDJ said:
TADOU,
LET'S SEE WHO THE REAL HIPOCRITE IS:
OK!!!!!!!
TOO MANY TO NAME. BUT IF IT CALMS YOUR NERVES AND MAKES YOU BUST A NUT:
MONTEREY, NUEVO LEON;
DURANgO, DURANgO;
CHIHUAHUA, CHIHUAHUA;
MAZATLAN, SINALOA;
ENSENADA, BAJA CALIFORNIA;
ACAPULCO, gUERRERO;
MATAMORROS;
PENAS;
JUAREZ;
PARRAL;
SANTA MARIA DEL ORO;
XACATECAS;
gOMEZ PALACIO;
SAN FRANCISCO DEL ORO;
CULIACAN;
NOgALES;
AND MANY OTHA'S. I AIN'T gOT SHIT TO PROVE TO YOU.
So, almost exclusively in the North, just like I thought. That is real cool.
How'd you like Zacatecas? Did you get to check out La Mina? I went to that one club carved into the hill, can't remember the name.
CAUSE YOU WAS AN OUTSIDER TRYIN' TO LOOK IN.
You don't even know what you're talking about. We walked around on our own, at any hours of the day we damn well pleased, without guidance.
WHO IS YOU TO LABEL WHAT THE "REAL" MEXICO IS? MEXICO IS MEXICO AND IS DIVERSE LIKE I TOLD YOU IN SPANISH.
I have already explained that Tequila, Mariachi and the things we most associate with Mexico come from the ALTIPLANO, and places like Guanajuato, Morelia, Guadalajara, Tequila and places like these. Not in Juarez and other gringo-friendly places in the North, nor overcrowded places in the South.
YEAH, LIKE A SHEEP YOU WERE TOLD AND YOU BELIEVE IT WITHOUT QUESTIONIN' IT.
I believe it because people like you cannot say shit about it. Your best argument is this stupid fuck "You can't label anything Mexico! Mexico is Mexico! Rah rah rah!" nonsense. Far from true.
You might as well be sitting here arguing that L.A. and N.Y. represent all of America. Anyone with half of a brain knows that that is not anywhere close to true.
YOU MEAN, WHAT YOU STEREOTYPE MEXICO AS BEIN'. MEXICO IS MORE THAN YOUR STEREOTYPES.
That is where the things we most identify with Mexico come from. Stereotypes have nothing to do with reality.
THEN WHY DON'T YOU CHANgE THE gAME IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO YOU?
I will change the game. You however will not be deciding when. I am not sure why you are still having such a hard time understanding that Swahili is not being taught in Secondary Schools, and that that is where I wish to begin my teaching career.
IN OTHA WORDS, KISS THE WHITEMANS ASS FIRST, THEN DO YOUR THANg?
Again...you are clueless about the reality of the situation.
Majoring in Ancient Persian History is NOT going to land you a good job teaching High School. That is the way the game goes. You need to specialize in something BROADER, and then HOPE that you are able to fit your specialized knowledge in somewhere.
"You don't learn Czech, Nahuatl, Italian, Dutch, or languages like these to become a High School Teacher." -- That you cannot even argue this statement on its own, and instead have to resort to dumbass insults, is surely the sign that you don't know what you are talking about.
You don't just walk into school systems teaching whatever you want. You jump into THEIR framework, get settled, and THEN begin working in your expertise.
SO YOU SAYIN' LEARNIN AND TEACHIN' SWAHILI IS gONNA LEAVE YOU BROKE?
I'm saying what I've said about 100 times now that you are still not understanding:
There is no demand for Swahili teachers. Only an idiot would major in and be trained to teach something that is not in demand without first creating that demand. And I am not going to wait tables and do manual labor while that demand-making is in motion.
THEN YOU STRESSED, "If the Swahili movement is not being led by the time I have a MIT, Initial Teaching License, and a Full-Time job, then I will begin my work."
WHICH IS?
Uh.....Which is leading the Swahili movement. Are you even trying to have a conversation here, or are you just being simple and pestiferous?
I NEVA BEEN TO A COMMUNITY COLLEgE PLAYA. I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
Trust me: Most people here will back me up when they say, most College Professors, Community or otherwise, are not fresh out of college. TA's are about the only exception.
NO, MY POINT STANDS. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. AND HOW AM I TRYIN' TO "VEX YOU? AND WHAT DON'T I UNDA-STAND? I UNDASTAND THAT YOU PREACHIN' ABOUT SWAHILI BUT AIN'T LIVIN' IT.
I am laying the groundwork. That is the smart thing to do, whether you accept it or not. There is no "preaching" about it, as I am not ordering anyone to study it. I am saying it is a language to move towards, and I'm making a damn good case for that if I do say so myself.
So far, the only argument against is, "But I don't wanna learn another language!" -- And that is not good enough.
BUT YOU WANNA TEACH IT TO ALL OF BLAK FOLK?
Something along those lines.
Like I said, this is something that will start at the Community College level and spread out from there.
THAT'S YOU. I MADE MY POINT.
You are struggling to make any point. It's like i'm in AA, and you're bitching at me for not being in the Major Leagues yet. If it comes, it comes, and I am certainly in a better position to be in those Major Leagues than someone who is not in ANY A, AA or AAA system.
IN OTHA WORDS, APPEASE TO THE MASSES. KISS THE WHITE MANS ASS CAUSE HIS WAY WILL gET YOU PAID? FUK YOUR SWAHILI FOR NOW CAUSE IT'S NOT IN DEMAND, RIgHT?
It is not solvent and not something I can build a career around. Again...you have no clue what you are talking about. You still have yet to understand that Swahili is an EXOTIC language, and NOT one that is usually taught.
If i was RICH, i might be able to wait around and have Mom and Dad pay for all my bills until I can finally get that job. I am poor, so I am not able to do this. Deal with it.
YEAH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU AIN'T THAT SMART TO BEgIN WITH.
I am smarter and more capable than you, and I would put my life savings on that.
WHAT DOES MY PATIENCE gOT TO DO WITH N-E-THANg?
It has everything to do with it. Again, you act like I am sitting here learning Math and History, and that I am just plain being too lazy to learn Swahili. This is not the case. I am learning 2 other languages right now that are important to my career. I am not learning Swahili right now STRICTLY BECAUSE it would conflict with what I am already learning.
Again, if you don't like my pace, do something about it. Start preparing and memorizing your Anti-Swahili speeches and building Anti-Swahili support. Anything at all. Like I said before, regardless of Siccness.....this is coming.
I HAVE NO USE FOR IT. YOU THE ONE PREACHIN' IT'S USE AND HOW WE AS BLAK FOLK NEED IT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT AIN'T PRIORITIZIN' IN LEARNIN' IT YOUR DAMN SELF. THAT'S WHY YOU A HIPOCRITE.
No, thats why I'm not an idiot. I'm focused on learning the 2 languages that will build me a solid foundation to even be able to teach Swahili in the first place. I'm sorry you...again...have no clue how this whole Sociolinguistics, Language Planning, Diglossia thing works.
THEN WHY NOT PRIORITIZE ONE AT A TIME?
I am learning the 2 that are important for my career. I don't know how many more times I need to say that.
Once i have filled the prerequisites and requirements for French and Spanish, and have been certified to teach both (or at the least, have taken the certification tests), then I will start self-teaching myself Swahili. It is a real simple concept.
If you know someone who has successfully learned 3 languages at the same time, I would love for you to produce them and have them explain how they did it. $20 says they were not Born and Raised in the United States.
THEN DO IT. FUK TALKIN' ABOUT IT.
I am working towards it, the same way someone talks about the importance of learning about the Law, without being in Law school yet. If you are already on the path to do so, your opponents are the only ones that look stupid.
You act like I am majoring in Film Production, and yet, suddenly want to make the jump to teaching Swahili. I am someone that is planning to teach Spanish and French, both of which relate DIRECTLY to being able to teach Swahili. This is why your Hypocrite label will fail every time.
LOL. AND THIS COMIN' FROM THE gENIUS KINg OF DEBATE? YOU CAN TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU WANT. IT'S YOUR LIFE. BUT TIL YOU DO, SPARE ME THE PREACHIN', CAUSE WITHOUT ACTIONS, YOUR WORDS ARE EMPTY.
I'm sorry you feel that way. My talking will continue, and you will not be able to do a damn thing about it until you start coming up with some ideas on your own, and stop complaining and wasting time.
THEN DO THAT. KISS A FEW WHITE ASSES.
If thats how you want to think of it, then go ahead. I mean, it completely ignores the fact that French is spoken across the African continent, and Spanish is spoken in all of the Latino world (including the Caribbean, which has millions of Black Spanish speakers), but hey, you're the one with all the reason here.
If you want to act like I am learning Sweedish and Czech and Italian, languages that are spoken almost exclusively by White people, then go ahead. Its a losing argument, but I will have fun watching you make and fail to sustain it.
I AIN'T NOBODY "TRYIN'". YOU ARE. AND YOU gOT YOUR NERVE TO EVEN TYPE THE WORD "RANTIN'", AND HERE YOU ARE DOIN' ALL THE RANTIN' ABOUT SWAHILI, BUT AIN'T APPLIED IT TO YOURSELF.
See the above times that I have had to repeat the same things over and over again. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire situation. You are mad because I said you "are happy speaking White Man languages", when it is true. You are. You speak out against Swahili but offer no alternatives.
You also show a mis-understanding about how language learning works. That friends-teaching-me shit might work for the gutter Spanish you speak, but academic language learning does not work that way.
HOW YOU FIgURE? I'M TRILINgUAL. I USE WHAT I CAN TO gET WHAT I WANT AND NEED. JUST CAUSE THE LANgUAgES YOU APPRECIATE AND ATTEMPT TO SPEAK COME OUT SOUNDIN' "AMERIKKKAN".
Including about every single language you speak.
Again. This is not about what "IS"; this is about what "CAN BE". I am sorry you are too short-sighted to realize this. Just sit back and play your position, and I will gladly do all the work.
YOU SOUND LIKE YOUR TYPICAL WHITEBOY THAT SWEEPS SHIT UNDA THE RUg.
No, I just don't give a fuck about about racist comments like: "I'M STILL MAD CAUSE A LOT OF AFRICANS THINK THEY BETTER THAN ME AND THEY THE ONES THAT SOLD US OUT." -- As if you've spoken with Africans from all of Tanzania, Kenya, Somalia, Ghana, Gabon and all the rest.
You sound like those people who say, "So I met this Mexican the other day. I think he's from Guatemala." -- You need to learn to separate your personal biases from the reality of the situation. "A LOT OF AFRICANS" does not cut it. You need to start naming countries.
And then once you do that, we can discuss whether or not you know the languages that are spoken in their countries. My guess: you know none of them. No wonder they acted like they were better than you. They were trying to beat you to the punch.
IF THAT'S YOUR PREROgATIVE.
It is. There is no If about it.
THAT AIN'T NON OF MY CONCERN. YOU THE ONE INFATUATED WITH THE LANgUAgE. YOU THE ONE THAT HAS TO PROVE YOUR POINT.
No, 'that ain't none of my ability' is what you meant to say. And why? Because you do not understand language and how languages are planned and learned and spread.
You are Anti-Swahili, and that is where it ends. To you, it don't mean a fuck if you ever go research Swahili or even understand it. You have made up your mind and closed it off already. Worse than that, you will offer no alternative or substitute either. You just gonna sit around and not do shit but rain on my parade.
I CAN'T TELL. BUT WHATEVA FLOATS YOUR BOAT.
I am telling you how to tell. You would have to be simple to not understand the point I just made, after YOU prodded me into making it.
Not being a closed-minded bumblefuck. We'll start with that one.
THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN JUST MONEY. BUT THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLES MOTIVATION. AND YOU MY FRIEND, JUST STRESSED THAT IN YOUR LAST REPLY. SO QUIT ALL THAT FRONT LIKE YOU A SELFLESS KNOWLEDgABLE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S IN IT TO BETTER MANKIND.
Friend, what I explained was that I am trying to be on my feet. Not that i am trying to be rich or make lots of money.
You are mad that I am not just dropping everything to learn and master Swahili, whether it is too late to major in it or not (which it is), and then rushing head-first into teaching it when there is no demand. That is pure ignorance.
Again....you are about what "IS"; I am about what "COULD BE". That is what separates me and you, and that is what is being demonstrated here by your inability to name a replacement for Swahili and even PLAY BALL.
You are AFRAID to name another language because you KNOW you will be SHUT DOWN. You fear my knowledge of the subject. So instead, you will just type some more and waste my time, while offering no ideas or solutions for much of anything.
The difference is, at the end of the day, you'll walk away with nothing. You'll lose the E-Argument, like you are losing it now. -- Me, at the end of the day I walk away learning how closed-minded people operate and how they will receive the idea, and my movement gains even more steam vis-a-vis that newfound knowledge.
I DIDN'T gIVE UP ON SHIT. I'M ACCOMPLISHIN' WHAT I SET OUT TO DO.
We are sure you are.
NO, IF N-E-THANg BLAK FOLK SHOULD LEARN CASTANENEAN(SP?)SPANISH AND UNITE WITH MEXICANS. BUT THAT'S A FAR-FETCHED IDEA. BUT MORE REALISTIC THAN YOUR SWAHILI ONE.
It is not at all a Far-Fetched idea, and I am sorry for your lack of confidence in realizing that. Millions of Black people speak Spanish, and after one learns Spanish, it is not very difficult to learn Portuguese, which is spoken by tens of millions more blacks in Brazil.
Castilian Spanish is a great idea. Unfortunately, it does not address all the issues I am hoping to address first, mainly, cohesiveness in the Black community. That having been said, if this Swahili thing fails, that will be one of the back-up plans, 3rd place behind Arabic.
NOPE. THAT'S WHY I TALK AND TYPE WITH A SLANg.
Slang English is still English. You are not developing anything new, only adding definitions to and new ways to pronounce, words that already exist. Your H Register is still the same English language that we all speak.
NOPE. QUIT TRYIN' TO PERCEIVE ME. IF N-E-THANg, EVERYBODY SHOULD LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY SPEAK WITH A SLANg.
Slang is still English. I don't see why you are not understanding this.
IT DON'T AND THOSE ARE YOU ASSUMPTIONS.
That is my logical observation. You speak out often against the US Gov't.
ONCE AgAIN: NOPE, THOSE ARE YOUR ASSUMPTIONS.
Once again, it is my logical observation. One that you are unable to refute, because it is true. You would love for the whole world to come to you by learning English. You do not wish to put in the years and decades it would take to learn even TWO or THREE of the World's languages, and go to THEM.
IT SURE DON'T. YOU FUCCED UP WHEN YOU STARTED ASSUMIN'.
Not really. You are obviously someone that wants English to maintain a stangle-hold on power. You do not even aruge this--you just complain that I am "assuming" things without even addressing the issue.
NO, YOU AND YOUR ASSUMPTIVE BEHAVIOR ARE HIPOCRITES. HOW DARE YOU ASSUME THANgS ABOUT ME?
See above. You cannot even go to work on this issue, because you have no footing. This is what you call pulling someone's card.
Pulling someone's card is not when you bring something up, and then they successfully argue against it. Pulling a card is when you bring something up, and the other person is so frightened by it that they try to get it thrown out on procedural grounds ("STOP ASSUMING THINGS ABOUT ME!"), rather than taking it head-on.
You've been on the offensive for this whole exchange, and the one opportunity you have to be on the defensive....you ain't even trying to see it. That says A LOT about your character, or more specifically, your lack of it.