Christian and Proud

[HERESY]

interesting cause i start to see you now more as spiritual than religious, like you pick what makes sense to you and can identify with, but then i ask myself why do you believe in hell, what experiences have led you to that?

Yes, you can define me as "spiritual", and I am not a member of an organized religious body. I don't attend church services every sunday, no bible school/bible study, none of that stuff. However, I don't practice syncretism and take pieces from here and there and discard it. I do however believe God is capable of reaching each of us in his own way. For some people they may recieve insight when looking at nature. For some it may be while looking under a microscope, and for others it may be after they have sat down and tried to figure all of this MESS out because thats what it all is a MESS.

Concerning hell, I don't believe you can have a place of good like "heaven" without a place of punishment like hell. In some religions these concepts are implemented to guide the person into a more "moral" way of behavior out of fear and they don't actually believe in either or at least don't believe in hell. In other religions, these are literal places. So basically, what I believe in regards to hell comes from what I have read and what I myself have accepted as truth. This belief does not come from a preacher but from me studying the different concepts of hell, different origins of hell, how hell became implemented in canon etc. My belief does NOT come from the bible saying "believe in hell or go to hell" because the bible never says that.

 

[HERESY]

HERESY I am not arguing with you.

I am simple stating there is an explainable reason why they have the same Gods.

Slow your roll bucko, its Thursday.

time to slow down a little.

You and ThaG have molested "bucko" and "suck it up" so much that I will now refrain from using them.

 

[nhojsmith]

Yes, you can define me as "spiritual", and I am not a member of an organized religious body. I don't attend church services every sunday, no bible school/bible study, none of that stuff. However, I don't practice syncretism and take pieces from here and there and discard it. I do however believe God is capable of reaching each of us in his own way. For some people they may recieve insight when looking at nature. For some it may be while looking under a microscope, and for others it may be after they have sat down and tried to figure all of this MESS out because thats what it all is a MESS.

Concerning hell, I don't believe you can have a place of good like "heaven" without a place of punishment like hell. In some religions these concepts are implemented to guide the person into a more "moral" way of behavior out of fear and they don't actually believe in either or at least don't believe in hell. In other religions, these are literal places. So basically, what I believe in regards to hell comes from what I have read and what I myself have accepted as truth. This belief does not come from a preacher but from me studying the different concepts of hell, different origins of hell, how hell became implemented in canon etc. My belief does NOT come from the bible saying "believe in hell or go to hell" because the bible never says that.

so the soul is eternal? could ceasing to exist be hell? some eastern philosphies believe ceasing to exist is nirvana. anyway thanks for the answer.

 

[GTS]

so the soul is eternal? could ceasing to exist be hell? some eastern philosphies believe ceasing to exist is nirvana. anyway thanks for the answer.

Obviously if that was known don't you think this debate would of been settled by now. I mean that is what no one can answer, which is why this debate will never end. Care to disagree?

 

[HERESY]

so the soul is eternal?

IMHO, yes, but I also believe the soul can endure a state of everlasting destruction. Yes, that line sounds like something straight out of a sci fi novel but thats what I believe. In addition, you have people that believe the soul can be destroyed (like teh J.W.'s) and they don't believe in a hell.

could ceasing to exist be hell?

Ceasing to live? No. You are going to exist in some form or another. Whether it be energy, a spirit or whatever it is you become after you die.

anyway thanks for the answer.

np

 

[nhojsmith]

Obviously if that was known don't you think this debate would of been settled by now. I mean that is what no one can answer, which is why this debate will never end. Care to disagree?

yeah i disagreee. if all religious people were killed there would be no debate. (not advocating that). at one point most people were religious. the % of religious people IS falling. the trend is going one way. when all people believe the same thing there is no deabte. ive never seen two chrisitians arguing whether jesus was real. this goes back to the other thread; if everyone believed the same thing, perhaps the world would be "better" or at least have less conflict.

 

[GTS]

yeah i disagreee. if all religious people were killed there would be no debate. (not advocating that). at one point most people were religious. the % of religious people IS falling. the trend is going one way. when all people believe the same thing there is no deabte. ive never seen two chrisitians arguing whether jesus was real. this goes back to the other thread; if everyone believed the same thing, perhaps the world would be "better" or at least have less conflict.

Let me make it simple for you. Nobody can prove what happens after you die. Care to disagree?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I don't quite understand, Heresy. Destruction pertains to something that is finite in time, yet you refer to it as everlasting.

 

[nhojsmith]

Let me make it simple for you. Nobody can prove what happens after you die. Care to disagree?

lol. i play devils advocate not always because its what i think, but because if you happen to say something i believe, i like to see how someone would be attack it.

that being said....after you die you will probably shit yourself and your body will start to decompose unless other measures are taken. thats been proven. in respect to the mind, people have been clinically dead and have come back to life as well. with things like the internet and informaiton sharing, i think we will get a clearer view of what happens after clinical death. the experiences people have are pretty consistent.

 

[HERESY]

I don't quite understand, Heresy. Destruction pertains to something that is finite in time, yet you refer to it as everlasting.

Meaning it is a constant experience. You are in the "state" of destruction and being destroyed, yet there is no point where the destruction "ends".

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

probably just semantics, but I wouldn't use the word destruction if there is no end. To destroy something is to bring it to an end.

 

[ThaG]

Let me make it simple for you. Nobody can prove what happens after you die. Care to disagree?

I do

We know what happens - you enter the carbon and nitrogen cycle

 

[Hemp]

^ you mean your body.

 

[ThaG]

^ you mean your body.

what's the difference??

 

[JLMACN]

You and ThaG have molested "bucko" and "suck it up" so much that I will now refrain from using them.

ahhh damn it.

5000

 

[ThaG]

You and ThaG have molested "bucko" and "suck it up" so much that I will now refrain from using them.

:classic: :classic: :classic: :classic:

 

[HERESY]

probably just semantics, but I wouldn't use the word destruction if there is no end. To destroy something is to bring it to an end.

No, you can destroy something without brining it to an end. If you "destroy" a car. Crush it, run it off a bridge etc, it is still a car. Now if you recycle it, melt it down to and turn it into something else it is technically no longer a car, but it is still metal or whatever the hell it is in its simple form.

You can be in a state of destruction/anhillation if that is the process, and the process does not have to be one that comes to an end.

 

[HERESY]

:classic: :classic: :classic: :classic:

Thats funny to you huh? To take perfectly good catch phrases and run them in the mud? You're a sicko.

 

[JLMACN]

^^^LOL!

HERESY you are wild!

5000

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

No, you can destroy something without brining it to an end. If you "destroy" a car. Crush it, run it off a bridge etc, it is still a car. Now if you recycle it, melt it down to and turn it into something else it is technically no longer a car, but it is still metal or whatever the hell it is in its simple form.

You can be in a state of destruction/anhillation if that is the process, and the process does not have to be one that comes to an end.

So maybe like reincarnation. You suffer the decay/destruction of one material body and then you suffer another and another and another, etc.