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this forum is becoming a cesspool of religous bible thumping brain washed big headed ego dwelling morons.... what a shame.
 
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Hemp said:
the real shame is not being able to be open minded enough to understand that everybodys arguement is credible.
im not sure credible is the word you want to use. if these opinions were all creidble we wouldnt be debating.
 
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i hear this open minded business enough to make me puke....and credible to whom? maybe the person stating the claims but if it were true like you said then like nhojsmith said.....there wouldnt be a debate here.....
 

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exactly, thered only be a debate here when onethinks the others arguement is bs.
im sayin that if you were in the guys mind and believed what the guy already beleives then you would make the same decisions he would.
we are all conditioned the see reality a certain way by our own selves.
so really, everybody is right and everybody is wrong.
 
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Hemp said:
exactly, thered only be a debate here when onethinks the others arguement is bs.
im sayin that if you were in the guys mind and believed what the guy already beleives then you would make the same decisions he would.
we are all conditioned the see reality a certain way by our own selves.
so really, everybody is right and everybody is wrong.
i was conditioned to believe in christianity, and i rejected it once i was old enough to see it was no diffrerent than santa clause. ALMOST everyone else on this board i have asked bitches away from questions like these, and changed the subject, so i wll put you to the test hemp:

1) why do you no longer believe in santa clause, or the easter bunny, or the tooth fairy?
2) if someone came to you and said they were the messiah and to follow them without asking any questions as a test of your faith, what would you do?
3) why do you accept your single faith and reject the thousands of others that have existed? you should have a compelling argument why none of these others are correct (since you think the burden of proof is on the non-believer)
4) what percentage of practicing christians do you honestly think, think that they are going to hell?
5) if someone came up to you today and said they had met a man who spoke to god and transcribed his teachings in a book and performed miracles, would you believe him and follow all of the teachings and spread them as the truth?

edit: i look forward to you answers, and anyone else who wants to take the pepsi challenge is more than welcome.
 
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^^^those specific questions no. questions similar to those? no. lol. i really dont know, but i have asked people along these lines before. but feel free to answer.
 

HERESY

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I remember the hell one, and a question similar to why I believe what I believe.

1) why do you no longer believe in santa clause, or the easter bunny, or the tooth fairy?
Because I have never experienced anything that I can link to their existence and because I know the history of their existence. However, when it comes to God, I have experienced things that I attribute to God and these are not because they are unexplainable events. Now with "god" you can say "man made god" but then you have the problem explaining why/how millions of tribes/people who had no contact with each other came up with the concept of a god.

2) if someone came to you and said they were the messiah and to follow them without asking any questions as a test of your faith, what would you do?
Not follow them.

3) why do you accept your single faith and reject the thousands of others that have existed? you should have a compelling argument why none of these others are correct (since you think the burden of proof is on the non-believer)
I accept my faith because of what I experienced. I was raised in a baptist church, and I came to my belief system by brushing it to the side and researching every religion I could possibly come across at that time. I don't accept my single faith and reject thousands of others that exist. I believe in "heaven", and I believe God has children in many walks of life/religions/beliefs. However, I do not believe all roads lead to Rome.

4) what percentage of practicing christians do you honestly think, think that they are going to hell?
Very few probably less than 1%. But I honestly believe most "christians" in america are going to hell (80-96%).

5) if someone came up to you today and said they had met a man who spoke to god and transcribed his teachings in a book and performed miracles, would you believe him and follow all of the teachings and spread them as the truth?
I don't quite understand this one. Would I believe the man who came up to me? Is he also doing miracles or is the person he ran into teh one who did all of that?

Clarify and I'll answer.
 

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HERESY said:
I remember the hell one, and a question similar to why I believe what I believe.



Because I have never experienced anything that I can link to their existence and because I know the history of their existence. However, when it comes to God, I have experienced things that I attribute to God and these are not because they are unexplainable events. Now with "god" you can say "man made god" but then you have the problem explaining why/how millions of tribes/people who had no contact with each other came up with the concept of a god.
You know we're all descendants of a small group of people that lived in Africa ~70,000 years ago, right?

The claim that all tribes had no contact with each other before they developed religion is highly suspicious to say the least. Even then there are very good explanations why religion is bound to appear in any group of people who are so ignorant about the world around them that supernatural explanations seem natural to them



I accept my faith because of what I experienced. I was raised in a baptist church,
oooppsss....
 
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HERESY said:
I remember the hell one, and a question similar to why I believe what I believe.



Because I have never experienced anything that I can link to their existence and because I know the history of their existence. However, when it comes to God, I have experienced things that I attribute to God and these are not because they are unexplainable events. Now with "god" you can say "man made god" but then you have the problem explaining why/how millions of tribes/people who had no contact with each other came up with the concept of a god.



Not follow them.



I accept my faith because of what I experienced. I was raised in a baptist church, and I came to my belief system by brushing it to the side and researching every religion I could possibly come across at that time. I don't accept my single faith and reject thousands of others that exist. I believe in "heaven", and I believe God has children in many walks of life/religions/beliefs. However, I do not believe all roads lead to Rome.



Very few probably less than 1%. But I honestly believe most "christians" in america are going to hell (80-96%).



I don't quite understand this one. Would I believe the man who came up to me? Is he also doing miracles or is the person he ran into teh one who did all of that?

Clarify and I'll answer.
thoughtul answers.

on the last one, just the man. im trying to draw a parallel between this individual man, and the collective individuals who spread the "truth" when they have not met anyone in the bible or seen any of the miracles themselves, but are just going off of what they have been taught. (ie. say your parent sat you down and told you the bible was the word of god)
 

HERESY

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on the last one, just the man. im trying to draw a parallel between this individual man, and the collective individuals who spread the "truth" when they have not met anyone in the bible or seen any of the miracles themselves, but are just going off of what they have been taught. (ie. say your parent sat you down and told you the bible was the word of god)
I know what you were doing and questions 1,2, and 5 would be most applicable. In regards to question five, I would consider what he said, and I would research it myself. If it does not line up with my previous experiences or what I believe it will be rejected.
 

HERESY

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You know we're all descendants of a small group of people that lived in Africa ~70,000 years ago, right?
Some would say this is true, while others would argue against it. However, if you are implying religion or the concept of god started with these people, you have to explain how the concept changed for people in a SHORT amount of time.

The claim that all tribes had no contact with each other before they developed religion is highly suspicious to say the least.
Since when did the Aztecs have contact with Egyptians? They didn't, yet they each have similar gods and some of the customs are similar.

Even then there are very good explanations why religion is bound to appear in any group of people who are so ignorant about the world around them that supernatural explanations seem natural to them
What are these explanations? What causes MANY people to attribute natural events to a supernatural being or "god"? Why call it a "god" and why give it attributes?

oooppsss....
I see you have selective attention.

...and I came to my belief system by brushing it to the side and researching every religion I could possibly come across at that time
 
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HERESY said:
I know what you were doing and questions 1,2, and 5 would be most applicable. In regards to question five, I would consider what he said, and I would research it myself. If it does not line up with my previous experiences or what I believe it will be rejected.
interesting cause i start to see you now more as spiritual than religious, like you pick what makes sense to you and can identify with, but then i ask myself why do you believe in hell, what experiences have led you to that?