Chavez tells UN Bush is 'devil'; UN 'worthless'

Speedy · Sep 21, 2006

QUOTE=2-0-Sixx]Source please.

Sorry I missed worded that. What I meant to say is look at the cost of living compared to people’s income. I lot people make $150-300 per months “This is word of month” I understand if you don’t respect my source. I couldn’t find a average salary on line but this is what my family says. Some are very well educated and some are not as fortunate.

2-0-Sixx-Yes, Venezuela is still a poor country but the standard of living has risen dramatically since Hugo Chavez. There is no denying this.

http://india.indymedia.org/en/2002/12/2555.shtml

Today only 20% of Venezuelan oil money goes to the state. 80% disappears.
In 1974 it was the reverse. 80% went to the state. Why the coup-plotters are in such a hurry. Stop the coup-"strike"!

2-0-Sixx-Yes, a great period of time when rich white people owned the majority of wealth and the land and were getting richer while the poor got poorer. Oh the good old days!

Much hasn’t changed since

2-0-Sixx-Well, the people keep electing him so that must mean something.

Some will beg to differ. Anybody that voted tried to vote against him during the second election would tell you some crazy things. A lot of people didn’t get the chance to vote because they were arrested while they were waiting in line to vote my uncle included. The reason people were arrest was for wearing the color yellow. Which at the time people who wore red where “Chavezistas” people who were in support of him and those with yellow were against him. He also renamed the “Country Republica Bolivariana” de Venezuela” but the world still calls it Venezuela and rewrote the constitution.

2-0-Sixx-When a tiny percentage of people owned the majority of land while many are homeless, who is the thief? Who is the thief when mostly white-europeans own the majority of the land? Who is the thief when corporations own miles and miles of land and are not using it, while people are living in shack huts?

Taking from the rich and giving from the poor is not steeling, no it is the rich that stole the land in the first place the people are simply taking it back.

You would be surprised to see how many non European Venezuelans lands got stolen.

2-0-Sixx-Propaganda.

Some would beg to differ

2-0-Sixx-You are either down right leing or you're seriously misinformed. The majority of TV stations are PRIVATELY owned and oppose Chavez.

June 14 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said he may shut down television stations for criticizing the government and broadcasting ``messages of hate.''
Chavez said the government has begun to review all television concessions, which expire in 2007. Chavez did not specify which stations may be shut down.
``We can't keep giving concessions to a group of people who use television stations against us,'' Chavez said in a televised speech in Caracas. ``Every day they broadcast messages of hate, of disrespect toward institutions, of doubt among us, rumors, psychological war to divide the nation.''
Chavez, 51, said some television stations helped plot a two-day coup he survived in 2002. The former army lieutenant colonel, who led a failed coup in 1992, is seeking a second six- year term in office in the December elections.
``They hide behind a supposed freedom of speech,'' said Chavez, who was wearing a green army uniform and red beret. ``I don't care what the oligarchs of the world say. We've shown that we aren't authoritarian or arbitrary.''
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000086&sid=aVRjhcE4NT9s

Venezuela’s main TV stations were owned by powerful billionaire businessmen such as Gustavo Cisneros. The Cisneros Group includes Univisión Communications and Venevisión. Cisneros, whose net worth in 2003 was estimated at $4 billion, personally sits on the board of Univisión. The media magnate counts among his friends former U.S. President George H.W. Bush. What is more, according to Venezuelan human rights lawyer Eva Golinger, the links between the U.S. government and Venezuelan media go far beyond mere personal friendships. She explained that the U.S. government-funded National Endowment for Democracy and US AID have provided several millions of dollars to private media outlets in Venezuela to help finance their anti-Chávez campaign.

source

2-0-Sixx-The land of the free? lol, when were you born there?

1984

Like I said Chavez had done some good but he is very unpredictable and unorganized

EDJ · Sep 21, 2006

Stockton209SS said:

LIKE YOU? LOL:devious:

:dead:

Speedy · Sep 21, 2006

2-0-Sixx-Probably the rich venezuelans who have something to lose.[/quote]

I wisht that were true

2-0-NINE · Sep 21, 2006

EDJ said:

What am I mad about?

I'm just kicking back Holmes.

2-0-Sixx · Sep 21, 2006

speedy gonzalez said:

Wow, talk about taking something out of context!!!! You know you done fucked up right? I mean, did you think I wasn’t going to check the link or what? Wow.

The VERY NEXT LINE in the link you provide (which was from 2002) says the following:

"Chavez reforms will help reverse this in January 2003. This is why the coup-plotters, "strike"-promoters, and corporate media are in such a hurry to overthrow the fairly-ELECTED Chavez government. They want to prevent these reforms, and reverse other already-implemented reforms that help the poor and lower middle class. Please forward widely. Massive corporate-media disinformation, destabilization campaign occurring inside Venezuela. HELP VENEZUELA!"

YOU JUST POSTED A PRO-CHAVEZ ARTICLE SMART GUY. Un-fucking-believable! I’ve never seen such blatant spin on the siccness before! At least use FOX News or something!

Actually it has changed tremendously. Would you like to provide me with a source that says otherwise or do I have to show you myself?

Again, you’re going to have to back these claims up or is this “word of mouth” again? The international community was widely present during the 2nd elections and reported it to be fair and reported no instances of shady behavior.

Yes, a small percentage of rich non-European Venezuelans got their land taken and redistributed to the poor. Again, not stealing.

Yes the owners of the station. Comrade, go back to my last post. I proved information on who owns this station and who they receive funding from.

Next, the article you provided said that he might shut down some stations. Mainly for their role in the 2002 ILLEGAL coup attempt that briefly overthrew him. What those TV stations did was criminal.

You can watch a documentary about what these TV stations did, HERE

So, were the leaders prior to Chavez doing as much for the people or not?

Miro · Sep 21, 2006

Transcript of the whole speech given by Hugo Chavez, and just in case you didnt know, he had a book by Chomsky, Hegemony or Survival, read it if you're confused by his comments....

President Hugo Chavez Delivers Remarks at the U.N. General Assembly

CQ Transcripts Wire
Wednesday, September 20, 2006; 12:28 PM

SEPTEMBER 20, 2006

SPEAKER: HUGO CHAVEZ, PRESIDENT OF VENEZUELA
[*]

(JOINED IN PROGRESS)

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): ... over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but for the sake of time, I shall just leave it as a recommendation. It reads easily. It's a very good book. I'm sure, Madam, you are familiar with it.

(APPLAUSE)

The book is in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German.

I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is in their own house. The devil is right at home. The devil -- the devil, himself, is right in the house.

And the devil came here yesterday.

(APPLAUSE)

Yesterday, the devil came here. Right here. Right here. And it smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of.

Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.

I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.

An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: "The Devil's Recipe."

As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): The world parent's statement -- cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.

They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.

What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.

What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?

The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."

Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.

The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.

I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.

The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."

That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.

But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.

It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?

He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.

This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, "We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'

The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples -- to the peoples of the world. He came to say -- I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.

And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?

And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.

And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed -- fully, fully confirmed.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I don't think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let's accept -- let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It's worthless.

Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Abel's (ph) yesterday, or President Mullah's (ph). Yes, it's good for that.

And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.

But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.

Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.

The first is expansion, and Mullah (ph) talked about this yesterday right here. The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories, (inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent members. That's step one.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.

Point three, the immediate suppression -- and that is something everyone's calling for -- of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.

Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.

Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.

Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.

Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.

Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.

Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.

The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.

And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no need to announce things.

But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.

Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.

And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.

Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.

As Sylvia Rodriguez (ph) says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?

What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.

We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.

Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.

And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.

And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.

And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.

And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.

And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.

Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today.

But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.

And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it.

But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter -- more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.

And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.

And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.

Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.

So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.

With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.

CHAVEZ (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.

And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.

You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.

May God bless us all. Good day to you.

(APPLAUSE)

END

.ETX

Sep 20, 2006 12:18 ET .EOF

Source: CQ Transcriptions © 2006, Congressional Quarterly Inc., All Rights Reserved

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/20/AR2006092000893.html

2-0-Sixx · Sep 24, 2006

2-0-Sixx said:

Wow, talk about taking something out of context!!!! You know you done fucked up right? I mean, did you think I wasn’t going to check the link or what? Wow.

YOU JUST POSTED A PRO-CHAVEZ ARTICLE SMART GUY. Un-fucking-believable! I’ve never seen such blatant spin on the siccness before! At least use FOX News or something!

...

PGBD · Sep 24, 2006

Hugo Chavez checks The Siccness and he's right about the UN being worthless. But who really cares about Hugo Chavez or Venezuela. The country's only good for cocaine and coffee other than that they pretty much have no impact on world affairs.

scraper707 · Sep 24, 2006

yeah, for all you who think chavez is "the man" go to his country and see how it is, and then tell everyone he is the man. the us has it good, no matter what president we have. i personally am glad bush is our president, compared to how chavez treats his people. he is just another guy that wants the world spotlight when he does shit like this. i say support the country you live in, if another country's leader is sayin shit about our leader, thats fucked up because, we elected bush, so we shouldnt be pussys and not support him, he won the presdency, which means more people voted for him. it seems that no matter what presidnet we have, everyone seems to complain, we should step up and support our leaders. Long live the USA...

TROLL · Sep 25, 2006

scraper707 said:

2-0-sixx just exposed that weak argument.. u tell everyone to go see for thereself but im willing to bet u have yet to go yourself..

scraper707 said:

thats an arguable, ignorant blanket statement

scraper707 said:

who bush or chavez? i agree totally with what chavez had to say..

scraper707 said:

wtf?? bush never won an election.. they have all been stolen... if u want to argue that id be more then happy to oblige...and if u cant distiinguish yourself from your commander in thief then you got more problems then u realize...

scraper707 said:

yes, long live america... HOWEVER ill stay hollarin DEATH TO THE NAZI'S WHO INFILTRATED AND MANIPULATED OUR SYSTEM..

i suggest u go pop a thizz and go back into your own world and stay out of ours because u havent done your research

Deadpool · Sep 25, 2006

Fox News Takes Jabs at Venezuelan President, U.N.

Even Fox News Channel itself is not likely to boast that its coverage of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez speech to the U.N. last week was entirely "fair and balanced." The TVNewser website today (Friday) cited a number of questions posed by the cable news network on the lower-third of its screen following the address. They included: 7:16pm: "Pres Chavez: Narcissistic personality disorder?"; 10:54am: "How dare Hugo Chavez blast the United States?"; 11:02am: "Should we stop buying Chavez's gas from [Venezuela-owned] Citgo stations?"; 11:59am: "Chavez insults U.S.: Where is the outrage?"; 12:29pm: "Should U.S. continue to fund U.N. after applause for Chavez?"; 12:54pm: "Will leaders pay the price for supporting Chavez?"; 1:26pm: "Is President Chavez becoming a threat to U.S. national security?"; 4:06pm: "Taking cheap oil from Hugo Chavez: Act of treason?"; 5:34pm: "NY audience gives Chavez standing ovation... Why?" Also, the comment: "U.S. giving U.N. $5 mil a day to get insulted."

2-0-Sixx · Sep 25, 2006

PGBD said:

haha, yeah forget the fact that Venezuela is the 4th largest oil exporter of the world and supplies about 15% of daily oil imports to the US.

scraper707 · Sep 25, 2006

TROLL said:

^#1- I have yet to go? No thanks, im content with what i got here, that why im not going.

#2-Blanket statement huh? Well does the US have it good or not? And does the US have it better than Venezuela? I say yes, and lookin at the world today, and the many different countries, the US is top rankd on how good it is to live here.

#3-Chavez. He is only getting the spotlight, because he reduced himself to name calling. "Bush is the devil" and if you dont think that wouldnt get media coverage during this because of all the bush haters, your crazy. If Bush went up there, or anyone for that matter, went up in front of the UN and called someone else a name, it would be covered by the media, chavez knows that. It is just bad timing for Bush.

#4-"and if u cant distiinguish yourself from your commander in thief then you got more problems then u realize..." what the fuck does that mean, that made no sense with the other statement you made, or in general. I guess if you say so then Bush must have stole the elections. I guess Al Gore and John Kerry really won, but Bush covered that up. You are making no sense, and if you are ever so obliged to argue this more, then do enlighten me on how he stole the elections, and how i cannot "distinguish myself from the commander in theif"

#5-"HOWEVER ill stay hollarin DEATH TO THE NAZI'S WHO INFILTRATED AND MANIPULATED OUR SYSTEM.." Good For You. And when you see those nazis, kill one for me and everyone else, because that stament you made, made perfect sense.

#6-"i suggest u go pop a thizz and go back into your own world and stay out of ours because u havent done your research" Well if I havent done my research, im guessing that you are saying you have done yours, but none of the statements you made, make sense at all, they are really just your opinion. And yes, opinions are good, ill share mine. But Im not going to say that just because we have seperate opinions, that you havent done your research without showing ive done mine. Now. I suggest you pop several thizz and go do your research.

Fucky McFuckerson · Sep 25, 2006

2-0-Sixx said:

Damn PGBD got straighted owned right here....that musta hurt...:dead:

Fucky McFuckerson · Sep 25, 2006

scraper707 said:

^#1- I have yet to go? No thanks, im content with what i got here, that why im not going.

#2-Blanket statement huh? Well does the US have it good or not? And does the US have it better than Venezuela? I say yes, and lookin at the world today, and the many different countries, the US is top rankd on how good it is to live here.

#3-Chavez. He is only getting the spotlight, because he reduced himself to name calling. "Bush is the devil" and if you dont think that wouldnt get media coverage during this because of all the bush haters, your crazy. If Bush went up there, or anyone for that matter, went up in front of the UN and called someone else a name, it would be covered by the media, chavez knows that. It is just bad timing for Bush.

#4-"and if u cant distiinguish yourself from your commander in thief then you got more problems then u realize..." what the fuck does that mean, that made no sense with the other statement you made, or in general. I guess if you say so then Bush must have stole the elections. I guess Al Gore and John Kerry really won, but Bush covered that up. You are making no sense, and if you are ever so obliged to argue this more, then do enlighten me on how he stole the elections, and how i cannot "distinguish myself from the commander in theif"

#5-"HOWEVER ill stay hollarin DEATH TO THE NAZI'S WHO INFILTRATED AND MANIPULATED OUR SYSTEM.." Good For You. And when you see those nazis, kill one for me and everyone else, because that stament you made, made perfect sense.

#6-"i suggest u go pop a thizz and go back into your own world and stay out of ours because u havent done your research" Well if I havent done my research, im guessing that you are saying you have done yours, but none of the statements you made, make sense at all, they are really just your opinion. And yes, opinions are good, ill share mine. But Im not going to say that just because we have seperate opinions, that you havent done your research without showing ive done mine. Now. I suggest you pop several thizz and go do your research.

Someone throw this kid some knowledge....he seems to be blind to the truth....

2-0-NINE · Sep 25, 2006

Troll I don't think many of the GOM people know what thizz is LOL

scraper707 · Sep 25, 2006

Edward Thizzerhands said:

If I dont know whats goin on, then please let me know then. it seems your knowledge is telling me i dont know anything, so heres your chance, let me know what truth i am blind to.

PGBD · Sep 25, 2006

2-0-Sixx said:

This will be a thing of the past once we tap into some of that Iraqi and Alaskan oil.

Oh, and for everyone wondering, I use the word "WE" only in reference to the human species and US citizens.

TROLL · Sep 26, 2006

scraper707 said:

ok.. then im glad u can see how ignorant it is to tell someone to go see what its like for themself but havent gone either..

"aw dont go to costco, smart and final is better, just go see for yourself"
"oh u been there?"
"no"

scraper707 said:

no one has said the U.S is a bad place to live, the argument is that our leaders are destroying our foreign policy.. when clinton was president we had a suplus.. now with this nazi we have an ever growing deficet.. care to deny that?

scraper707 said:

1st, he got the spotlight because most of the UN agrees.
2nd, they focused on his "devil" comment to take the thunder off the fact he also claimed that 9/11 was an inside job
3rd, he got major backing from many people.. ur just too inside the american closet to see that..

scraper707 said:

ur confused often huh? i said that because if your offended by what chavez said then your basically saying that u support what this president has done have no qualms with his policy.. and if thats the case then your a lost cause..

scraper707 said:

yup.. i am saying that... care to debate it?

scraper707 said:

SURELY... ill shoot some links for u too peep because if i copy and pasted it u would claim i was lying...

Electronic Voting: The Stolen Election of 2004::
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html

Was the 2004 Election Stolen?::
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1742/

We at Voter March were protesting Bush from Day One when Bush stole the election in November 2000::
http://www.votermarch.org/

Powerful Government Accounting Office report confirms key 2004 stolen election findings::
http://www.iefd.org/articles/gao_report.php

scraper707 said:

last i checked it was illegal to assasinate an american president..

scraper707 said:

wow... u are obviously new to this forum.. i never ever make a claim that i cannot support.. i always do my research... even about the immigration.. i reserved my opinion till i could see some proof that its being misused.. i have and i agree... and i dont pop thizz.. i cherish my brain too much..

scraper707 · Sep 26, 2006

In reference to the people that were saying good things about chavez, i was telling them to go to his country, im sorry if you took it literally...dont really go to venezuela, sorry...lol...just check the facts on the net from your comfortable computer chair about how venezuela is...

No leader is going to have the perfect foreign policy, that is why we have to stand by our leaders, and elect someone into office we think will do a good job... we elected bush... sorry if you think it was rigged. And, i guess you didnt read your own source, but the article about the 2000 election, is just the author saying that that group opposed bush from day 1, not that he stole the 2000 election, but it does have some 2004 links on that page though

And, hahahahahahaa, did you even read this one?

Electronic Voting: The Stolen Election of 2004::
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHI411B.html

HAHAHAHA, how is that even credible?????? haha, i did get a couple laughs from it though, thank you.

And the second article you put up....

There is no evidence of vote theft or errors on a large scale. … There is also no way to be sure that the nightmare scenario of electronic voting critics did not occur: votes surreptitiously shifted from one candidate to another inside the machines, by secret software. It’s important to make it clear that there is no evidence such a thing happened, but there will be concern and conspiracy theories until all software used in elections is made public.

The New York Times seems to be very credible...agree?

Powerful Government Accounting Office report confirms key 2004 stolen election findings::
http://www.iefd.org/articles/gao_report.php

"The IED was first funded by a handful of left-wing intellectuals"- Wikipedia.com

Always a bias....

Now, onto the nazi comment... Just using a name that is synonymous with evil and bad, and placing it onto the president of the US, just to make him seem worse... well, you seem to be in the same department as Chavez... Chavez calls Bush "Devil" and you call Bush "Nazi", lets find out how many other names we can call him... Not to mention Chavez's credibility, but he is one to talk, check out his bio is you dont believe me... but since you do research, you probably know huh?

Chavez tells UN Bush is 'devil'; UN 'worthless'

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