Chavez tells UN Bush is 'devil'; UN 'worthless'

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2-0-sixx can u explain this...does he want war?
What you quoted has the explanation:

"The arms are intended to beef up security along the Colombian border where kidnappings and armed incursions by Colombian irregulars are common, Venezuela's information ministry said."

No, he doesn't want war, but he does want to be able to defend his country from a possible invasion.

Also, their current weapons (such as rifles, bullets, helicopters, etc.) are very outdated (most are over 20 years old).
 
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The cost of food of living in Venezuela is basically equal to ours. Do you know what the Average Citizen income is? “It's shit” The country was at its highest point in the 80s. It went down hill in the 90's due to corruption in the government and the huge floods. Chavez basically is slowly evolving from a president to a dictator we will never see him out of office. Don’t be fooled Venezuelans are broke as hell it’s hard for a person with a PHD to be employed. Stealing land is still stealing land I saw a tv special on Univision where they were interviewing farm owners that land was stole and they were not rich. He controls the media. He shut down “Venevision” a Venezuelan network for making fun of him on a popular show called “Beinvenidos”. That does not sound like the land of the free I was born in.
 
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Hugo only has rhetoric on his side. He reminds me of a big mouth boxer - always talking shit but when the time comes for blows, he always gets knocked the fuck out. When will Chavez bite the canvas, my guess is real soon.
 

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Some more articles:

Venezuelan President Chavez attacks Bush at UN to loud applause

UNITED NATIONS ( AP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez took President Bush to task in front of a global summit for waging war in Iraq without U.N. consent and won rousing applause for his critique.

The leftist leader told a U.N. summit on Thursday that fighting the war without U.N. authorization showed Washington did not respect the world body. He recommended moving U.N. headquarters to a country that has more regard for the organization.

``There were never weapons of mass destruction but Iraq was bombed, and over U.N. objections, (it was) occupied and continues being occupied,'' Chavez said. Bush alleged that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction but none have been found, shattering one of his main arguments for going to war.

``That's why we propose to this assembly that the United Nations leave this country, which is not respectful of the very resolutions of this assembly,'' Chavez said.

Chavez, a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro, suggested moving U.N. headquarters New York to an international city ``outside the sovereignty of any state'' and said some have mentioned Jerusalem as one possibility.

But the Venezuelan leader said the new headquarters has to be in the South, home to most developing countries.

Bush was not in the audience when Chavez spoke to the world representatives. But the U.S. president did address the summit's the opening session on Wednesday morning, then returned to Washington later that day.

World leaders at the summit had been asked to speak for five minutes but Chavez ran long and when the presiding diplomat passed him a note saying his time was up, he threw it on the floor. He said if Bush could speak for 20 minutes, so could he.

When he finally stopped, he got what observers said was the loudest applause of the summit.

Relations between Chavez and Washington have become increasingly strained, though the United States remains the top buyer of Venezuelan oil.

Chavez repeatedly has accused the U.S. government of backing plots against him, and recently alleged Washington was preparing to invade his country.

American religious broadcaster Pat Robertson recently suggested the United States assassinate Chavez because he poses a threat. Chavez responded that Robertson had clearly ``expressed the wish of the elite that govern the United States.'' Robertson has since apologized.

U.S. officials strongly deny the Venezuelan leader's claims but have expressed concerns about the health of the country's democracy under Chavez, who was first elected in 1998 pledging a social ``revolution'' for the poor majority.

The two leaders have clashed over a host of other issues as well.

Bush criticized Venezuela's government earlier Thursday, saying the South American nation had ``failed demonstrably'' to make a concerted effort to block shipments of illicit narcotics to the United States and Europe last year.

Venezuela could have been subjected to a cutoff of U.S. assistance, but Bush decided to waive the provision because of national security interests.

In early August, Chavez accused the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration of using its agents in Venezuela for espionage, and said Venezuela was suspending cooperation with the agency. The Bush administration denied the espionage charge.

Chavez, whose country is the world's fifth-largest oil exporter, also warned the world is facing an unprecedented energy crisis.

He told reporters later the crisis will keep growing, ``not because we the producers want it but because we are running out of oil.''

Chavez singled out the United States as the most wasteful country, saying he was shocked when a quarter of all the cars he counted Thursday morning on New York streets had one person in them.

``That's crazy, one person with a huge car ... that is using up gas and polluting the atmosphere,'' he said at a news conference. ``The world cannot tolerate this model of development called the American way of life.''

In a form of energy diplomacy, Chavez has extended a preferential oil trade deal called PetroCaribe to 13 Caribbean countries in what he says is part of a plan to challenge U.S. economic domination of the region.

Under the plan, Venezuela will soon sell up to 190,000 barrels of fuel a day to countries from Jamaica to St. Lucia, offering favorable financing while shipping fuel directly to reduce costs. It is expected to help those countries save millions of dollars.

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Chavez Launches Bush Broadside at U.N.

Thursday September 21, 2006 4:46 AM


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By IAN JAMES

Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called President Bush ``the devil'' in a speech to the United Nations on Wednesday, making the sign of the cross in a dramatic gesture and accusing him of ``talking as if he owned the world.''

The fiery speech by the leftist leader, one of the Bush's staunchest critics abroad, was harsher in tone than that of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who sparred with Bush the previous day over Tehran's disputed nuclear program but avoided any personal insults.

``Yesterday, the devil came here,'' Chavez said, referring to Bush's address before the U.N. General Assembly on Tuesday. ``Right here. Right here. And it smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of.''

He then made the sign of the cross, brought his hands together as if praying and looked up at the ceiling.

``Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world,'' Chavez said.

Chavez's words drew tentative giggles at times from the audience, but also applause at the end of the speech and when he called Bush the devil - a word he used no fewer than eight times.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Chavez's remarks were ``not becoming for a head of state.''

``I am not going to dignify a comment by the Venezuelan president to the president of the United States,'' Rice told reporters in New York. The main U.S. seat in the assembly hall was empty as Chavez spoke, though the U.S. Ambassador John Bolton told The Associated Press that a ``junior note-taker'' was present, as is customary ``when governments like that speak.''

The address appeared to be one of Chavez' boldest moves yet to lead an alliance of countries firmly opposed to the Bush administration. The speech came after the leftist leader crisscrossed the globe this summer visiting like-minded nations from Iran to Belarus.

The Venezuelan has become Latin America's leading voice against the U.S. government, and his speech was reminiscent of crusading addresses by his mentor Fidel Castro of Cuba and the late Argentine revolutionary Ernesto ``Che'' Guevara.

In his 23-minute address, Chavez also called Bush a ``spokesman of imperialism'' who was trying ``to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.''

``An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: `The Devil's Recipe,''' Chavez said.

He accused the U.S. of planning and financing a failed 2002 coup against him, a charge the U.S. denies. And he said the U.S. tries to impose its vision of democracy militarily in countries like Iran and Iraq.

``We appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our head,'' he said. ``The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up.''

At the start of his talk, Chavez held up a book by American writer Noam Chomsky, ``Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance,'' and recommended it to everyone in the General Assembly, as well as to the American people.

``The people of the United States should read this ... instead of the watching Superman movies,'' Chavez later told reporters.

He called U.S. consumerism ``madness,'' saying Americans have wasteful habits in using oil and energy. He held up a satellite photo showing the world at night, with bright light emanating from the U.S. and other wealthy countries.

Consuming less should be an environmental priority, he said, ``instead of looking for oil'' through the war in Iraq.

The United States continues to be the top buyer of Venezuelan oil, bringing the South American country billions of dollars in earnings that help fund Chavez's popular social programs.

Accusing Bush of neglecting the poor, Chavez started a program last winter for Venezuela's U.S.-based oil company Citgo to sell discounted heating oil to poor American families. It distributed more than 40 million gallons of oil last winter to low-income Americans, and Chavez announced a doubling of that this winter.

Chavez also lambasted the U.S. government for trying to block Venezuela's campaign for a seat in the U.N. Security Council. He said if chosen over U.S.-favorite Guatemala in a secret-ballot U.N. vote next month, Venezuela would be ``the voice of the Third World.''

The council currently consists of five permanent members with veto power - the United States, Britain, Russia, China and France - and 10 non-permanent members who serve two-year terms and have no power to veto resolutions.

The U.S. argues that Venezuela - closely allied with Iran, Syria and Cuba - would be a disruptive force. The campaign for a U.N. seat is shaping up to be a formidable diplomatic test for Chavez, gauging his ability to lobby head-to-head against the United States.

Chavez said the U.N. in its current system ``doesn't work'' and is ``antidemocratic.'' He called for the world body to be overhauled, saying the U.S. government's ``immoral veto'' had allowed recent Israeli bombings of Lebanon to continue unabated for more than a month.

The Mideast was in the spotlight, with ministers from the Quartet that drafted the stalled so-called ``road map'' peace plan - the U.S., the U.N., the European Union and Russia - planning to meet. The Security Council also was scheduled to hold a ministerial meeting Thursday that Arab leaders hope will help revive the peace process.

On Wednesday, Bush met with Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas and described him as ``a man of peace'' who can help move forward the stalled peace process.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai also addressed the General Assembly, warning that terrorism is rebounding in his country. He said efforts to build democracy there had suffered setbacks over the past year as violence increased, especially in the volatile south where NATO forces have been battling Taliban militants in some of the fiercest battles since the hard-line government was toppled in 2001.

``We have seen terrorism rebounding as terrorists have infiltrated our borders to step up their murderous campaign against our people,'' he told the General Assembly.

He also expressed concern about ``the increased incidents of Islamophobia in the West,'' saying it does not ``bode well for the cause of building understanding and cooperation across civilizations.''
 
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The cost of food of living in Venezuela is basically equal to ours. Do you know what the Average Citizen income is? “It's shit” The country was at its highest point in the 80s. It went down hill in the 90's due to corruption in the government and the huge floods. Chavez basically is slowly evolving from a president to a dictator we will never see him out of office. Don’t be fooled Venezuelans are broke as hell it’s hard for a person with a PHD to be employed. Stealing land is still stealing land I saw a tv special on Univision where they were interviewing farm owners that land was stole and they were not rich. He controls the media. He shut down “Venevision” a Venezuelan network for making fun of him on a popular show called “Beinvenidos”. That does not sound like the land of the free I was born in.
Interesting, He doesnt sound like a leader that promotes democracy, but at the same time he critisizes Bush. I guess the only thing he has over Bush is he stays in his own country and doest fuck up others.
 
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speedy gonzalez said:
The cost of food of living in Venezuela is basically equal to ours.
Source please.

Do you know what the Average Citizen income is? “It's shit”
Yes, Venezuela is still a poor country but the standard of living has risen dramatically since Hugo Chavez. There is no denying this.

The country was at its highest point in the 80s.
Yes, a great period of time when rich white people owned the majority of wealth and the land and were getting richer while the poor got poorer. Oh the good old days!

In the mid 80's and early 1990's as oil prices plummeted and thousands of working class Venezuelans fell into deep poverty, the corrupt ruling elite decided to go in debt with the IMF and stripped away most all of the social safety net of Venezuela. The country plunged into chaos.

What followed was a movement from the bottom, the poor and working class that rose up and demanded change (thousands were actually gunned down by the same ruling elite that was, apparently to you, so great.


Chavez basically is slowly evolving from a president to a dictator we will never see him out of office.
Well, the people keep electing him so that must mean something.

Stealing land is still stealing land
When a tiny percentage of people owned the majority of land while many are homeless, who is the thief? Who is the thief when mostly white-europeans own the majority of the land? Who is the thief when corporations own miles and miles of land and are not using it, while people are living in shack huts?

Taking from the rich and giving from the poor is not steeling, no it is the rich that stole the land in the first place the people are simply taking it back.

I saw a tv special on Univision where they were interviewing farm owners that land was stole and they were not rich.
Propaganda.

He controls the media.
You are either down right leing or you're seriously misinformed. The majority of TV stations are PRIVATELY owned and oppose Chavez.

Venezuela’s main TV stations were owned by powerful billionaire businessmen such as Gustavo Cisneros. The Cisneros Group includes Univisión Communications and Venevisión. Cisneros, whose net worth in 2003 was estimated at $4 billion, personally sits on the board of Univisión. The media magnate counts among his friends former U.S. President George H.W. Bush. What is more, according to Venezuelan human rights lawyer Eva Golinger, the links between the U.S. government and Venezuelan media go far beyond mere personal friendships. She explained that the U.S. government-funded National Endowment for Democracy and US AID have provided several millions of dollars to private media outlets in Venezuela to help finance their anti-Chávez campaign.

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That does not sound like the land of the free I was born in.
The land of the free? lol, when were you born there?

The last dictator stepped down in 1958 but in the 60s, 70s and 80s the country's top centrist parties entered into a power sharing agreement which effectively shut out voices considered extreme from participating in politics. While this arrangement, known as “Puntofijismo,” helped prevent authoritarian right-wing governments from taking power, it also created an insurmountable barrier for political leaders who spoke on behalf of Venezuela's impoverished majority.

Elections were run by the two dominant political parties and even the election results were calculated by party officers. The voice of the people was never heard. Never before have Venezuelans seen democracy like this before.
 
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how is he alll talk?? just because he takes more POSITIVE action to help countries in need before he bombs countries blindly doesnt mean he takes no action, it means he takes correct action.
 
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mrraskal666 said:
EVEN CHAVEZ SAYS HES ALLIES WIT THEM....(THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES)
He's just mad at the Current Situation, there are alot of people who talk alot, then will apologize. But seeing how he came out, I dunno?
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Why are you so fixated with this point? Yes, he's allies with some countries that are enemies of the US (Cuba & Iran to name a couple) but what does this mean? The US is the enemy to most of the world.
exactly.