Calling all Atheists

XianeX · Jun 14, 2003

addendum: science is a practice of discover and design. a principle may have existed before man found it but when a man finds or designs something that's when it exists in his mind.

This is more in line with what I mean by man created god. man discovered a "principle" in the universe and designed what that principle was shaped to be. in "that" god was created.

a principle or a notion of a god may have existed before mans discovery or design but it took man to perceive and/or conceive it then fashion it for it to become tangible in his mind.

the fashion of god is why there are so many in the world and so many interpretations. alluding to my conversation with vyasadeva about a sphere only having one facet but depending on your "perspective" it can have many

HERESY · Jun 14, 2003

i would say he FOUND it. or found out how to manipulate it to suit his needs.

interesting.

1.what do you know about THE DROPA STONES?

2.what do you know about Emperor Huang-ti?

since you laughed at canon i will steer clear away from that and give you something else.

the majority of PEOPLE dont know what they are reading or doing. i will leave it at that.

a preacher can weild his bible all he wants but if he knows NOTHING about the bible and he isnt hearing from GOD he simply is holding a bible. if he DOESNT know what different words mean and how they translate he is simply holding a bible. that brings me to THIS point.

MANY "PREACHERS" who are "PREACHING" were NOT called to PREACH. nowdays preaching and church is like a PYRAMID SCHEME. you go to church ,tithe 10% (not based on scripture),listen to music,get brainwashed and listen to a guy lie about his life for half an hour. the preacher will preach the PROSPERITY DOCTRINE and will tell you to "NAME IT AND CLAIM IT!!!" guess what most of the members will do in 1-6 years?

they WILL branch off and form another church (with similar views) or they will LEAVE that church, join another church and have them INCORPERATE the views that the PREVIOUS church has.

ITS BEEN GOING ON FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. THATS WHY YOU HAVE ***PAGANISM***(EASTER/ISHTAR AND CHRISTMAS/TAMMUZ) IN "CHRISTIANITY" .

1.I will tell ANYONE not to deal with MAGIK "if" they are asking about it. using "ELEMENTS" and standing inside "PERFECT CIRCLES" is something that you DONT just wake up and do.

2.as a "Follower of the Way" i will WARN anyone about the harms of chaos magik,black/white magik,incantations,etc etc etc. "HE" said they are ABOMINATIONS.

3.MAGIK is going the "THIEFS" route.

4.its a DIFFERENCE between ME telling someone to not deal with MAGIK compared to someone who knows NOTHING about magik.

thats NOT how magik works. doing it incorrectly will not result in black magik. black magik is its OWN type of magik. A ***DIFFERENCE*** exists between TRUE KNOWLEDGE and MAGIK. ask *ANY* PERSON WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT FOR YEARS.

PEOPLE DO IT EVERYDAY. ITS ON THE PERSON TO BREAK DOWN THE WALLS. STUDY THE MYTHS,LOOK AT HISTORICAL EVIDENCE,ASK QUESTIONS ETC ETC ETC.

SOMEONE CAN SAY TO ME "JESUS IS A MYTH,HIS CONCEPT IS BASED ON MITHRA,HIS BREAD AND WINE IS BASED IN MITHRAISM AND HE NEVER EXISTED".

TYPICALLY PEOPLE LIKE THIS HAVE *NEVER* READ THE BIBLE FROM FRONT TO BACK SO HOW CAN THEY LOGICALLY SAY WHAT IS AND WHAT ISNT?

A PERSON LIKE THIS MOST LIKELY KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT MITHRAISM BUT REPEATS WHAT HE OR SHE HAS READ FROM THE INTERNET. NO REAL RESEARCH INVOLVED,NO STUDIES ON THE ORIGINS OF THE RELIGION ETC ETC ETC.

A PERSON LIKE THIS IS *EASILY* SHUT DOWN BY A PERSON WHO KNOWS THE BIBLE *AND* MITHRAISM. PERSONALLY I LET PEOPLE LIE TO THEMSELVES. IT PAINS ME TO SEE PEOPLE HOLD A FIRM VIEW IN SOMETHING *WITHOUT* HAVING DONE RESEARCH.

NAMES HAVE MEANINGS. SOME OF THEM MORE RELEVENT TO LIFE THAN OTHERS.

WHEN THE MYTH IS ALLEGORICAL(SPLG?) OR A METAPHOR YES THEY CAN SEE. WHEN THE MYTH IS MADE UP...WELL...IT CAUSES BLINDNESS.

NOW HERE WE GO AGAIN. *WHERE* DID MAN GET THE KNOWLEDGE FROM? YOU HAVE TOO MANY CASES OF "BEINGS" COMING *DOWN* FROM THE HEAVENS TEACHING KNOWLEDGE,SCIENCE, ARACANE RITES ETC ETC ETC. THATS *NOT* SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD CAN COME UP WITH AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

1. LETS LOOK AT EZEKIEL 8:13-14.

13. He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do. 14. Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

NOW I ASK YOU A QUESTION. DO *YOU* KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS/IMPLIES?

2.I CANT FIND THE PASSAGE OF THE PRIESTS EATING SWINE AND RATS AND EZEKIEL REBUKING THEM (AND YES APOSTATE ISRAEL DID DO THESE THINGS) CAN YOU PROVIDE IT?

WHY DO YOU ASK THIS? HAVE YOU DISCOVERED THE DIFFERENCE IN EL,ELOHIM,ELOHAI,YHWH ELOHIM,YHWH,EL SIMCHAT GILI,EL YESHUATI,IMANU EL,YHWH-TSIDKENU,YHWH-M'KADDESH AND ELOHAY HARUCHOT LEKOL BASAR YET?

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE ORIGINS?

:h:

XianeX · Jun 14, 2003

@dropa stones, I am unfamiliar with this. VERY NEW to me. hmm. I'll look into it.
@huang ti, yeah? but I believe that his tomb and the other mysteries surrounding him are by human hands. but maybe I miss your point explain.
@black magic. when i was mentioning the incorrectly I didn't mean literally but figuratively wiht more emphasis on being damaging. but I feel you.

I find It VERY funny that we have the same views on church but very different views on Christ and God.

@here we go again, I don't disclaim that there may be higher beings, aliens, or whatever because anythings possible, BUT I think that the "higher beings" are just exceptional human beings in elite or enclosed circles/circumstances. I've yet to have concrete evidence otherwise. people with an imagination and a thirst for power are capable of ANYTHING

@do I know what this means/implies, yeah but I am VERY curious as to your interpretation. other than the fact that this was a babylonian ritual that has similarities to the myth about the crucifiction of Christ I don't no what you mean (alluding to adonai and many mesopotamian stele representing the event).

my question is why are they considered apostate other than the fact that they had turned against YHWH? or is that just it?

@the rat and swine, It's been years since I've even remotely glanced at a bible but if I can find "mine" i'm sure I can provide the reference. my bible has a ton of things ear marked. I'll look for it (a first).

@the names, some are familiar some aren't, but for those that are if you know the circumstances about them I wonder why we have so many discrepencies about personification of God to the ancient jews. and the irreconcilable incompatiblilty of christianity to judaism. as according to the book "who's who in the bible" (I'll have to find the edition and date of publishing) many jews consider christianity a bastard religion.

to be truthful I don't think we ever discussed any posistions on judaism or the like. Our "discussions" have debated christianity soley (if i'm not mistaken).

HERESY · Jun 14, 2003

please do.

he was ADVANCED. his "technology" was ADVANCED for its time.

thumbs up.

agreed.

well some people believe that humans LEFT earth THOUSANDS of years ago but are now returning. some people believe we are experiments and that we are actually the LOWER level of a "higher existence". i can go in depth about this but this thread isnt the right place. make sure you peep the dropa stones. you'll see how things tie together.

ponder this. if christianity or judaism has its ROOTS in tammuz(or the worship of tammuz) why does the god of the bible view tammuz and the act of woship as an abomination? you have CONFLICT. if the god of the bible (judaism/christianity) were the SAME god as TAMMUZ you wouldnt have one saying to NOT worship the other. was tammuz incorperated into the worship of YHWH? YES!!! THATS WHY HE CALLED IT AN ABOMINATION. WAS THE WORSHIP OF YHWH BASED ON TAMMUZ? NO.

SATURNALIA (SATERNALIA) IS THE BIRTH OF TAMMUZ. YESHUA WAS BORN DURING SUCCOT (THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES AND THIS SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON WHEN YESHUA WAS BORN). HEBREW CALANDER=LUNAR. MODERN CALANDER=SOLAR. **BIG** DIFFERENCE. YESHUA WAS EXECUTED. TAMMUZ WAS KILLED BY A BORE. BIG DIFFERENCE. YESHUA WAS 33 AT TIME OF DEATH BUT TAMMUZ WAS 40. THATS WHY YOU HAVE 40 DAYS FOR "LENT" (EACH DAY REPRESENTS A YEAR). NIMROD (THE FATHER OF TAMMUZ) BECAME THE SUN GOD AFTER HE WAS KILLED BY SHEM. YESHUAS FATHER WAS NEVER KILLED. SEMERAMIS THE MOTHER OF TAMMUZ DIED BUT WAS SENT BACK TO EARTH AS THE GODDESS (ISHTAR/ASHTARTE). THE RAYS OF THE SUN GOD GAVE BIRTH TO TAMMUZ. YESHUA EXISTED *BEFORE* THE SUN WAS EVEN CREATED. I CAN KEEP THIS UP BUT I WONT.

THIS IS WHY YHWH WARNED AGAINST PAGANISM AND ADOPTING OUTSIDE BELIEFS.

THEY ARE APOSTATE BECAUSE THEIR ACTIONS SHOW THEM TO BE APOSTATE. THEY WERE TOLD NOT WORSHIP OTHER GODS YET THEY DID. THEY WERE TOLD TO NOT PARTAKE IN STRANGE RITUALS AND CUSTOMS BUT THEY DID. THEY WERE TO KEEP THE LAWS GIVEN TO THEM BUT THEY DIDNT.

OK.

MANY JEWS DO FEEL THAT WAY. I FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT MODERN DAY CHRISTIANITY. I DONT THINK WE HAVE DISCREPENCIES. EXPLAIN YOUR TAKE ON IT.

JEWS ARE STILL WAITING. STILL LOOKING FOR A SIGN. THEY WILL GET WHAT THEY WANT ***VERY*** SOON. THEY MADE A COVENENT WITH DEATH.

I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT JUDAISM BUT ITS NOT THE TIME NOW.

XianeX · Jun 15, 2003

@ i'm booking up on more about huang ti and dropa we'll get back to that.
@ROOTS - THIS I DO agree with that the israelites were wrong. much of THIS is why I disagree with many of the foundations of christianity. for christianity to be what It is it had to abandon judaism. my take is christianity chose to conform with the gentile. and in that conformation adopted many of the "heathen" customs of the gentile. hence you have to be serious about understanding religion to even break the ceiling on what jesus name is, when was he NOT born, when did he NOT die, and what did the bible really say.

let me change directions for a sec. you know something? I think I may play by your rules for now on. As much as I dislike bothering with the bible (because it has been such a disappointment to me) I will start grabbing verses to assert my claims. I think this may be alot more fun.

My assertions:
Isaiah 7:14 jesus was not born of a virgin NOR was the "virgin" in Isaiah prophecying Jesus.
First "virgin" is a wrong interpretation of the word. the original word is alma which means young woman. the woman that was being spoke of was a prophetess and she conceived the child in Isaiah 8:3 and his name was Ma'her-shal'al-hash'-baz

read the context of the two chapters thoroughly they have nothing to do with Jesus they had everything to do with THAT time.

Jesus wan't the only begotten son; David was psalms 2.7
John 3:16 which has been used to perplex the masses is a verse that BLATANTLY shows that jesus isn't the only begotten

Jesus's words: For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

this is in third person. if he was speaking of himself he would have used first person launguage.

my proof starts at psalms 2:2
The Kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the lord and against his "annointed" [my quotations for emphasis will expound later] saying . . .

you can keep the context for yourself reading down to 2:7 which is my point

I will declare the decree the lord hath said unto me, Thou art my son [David is writting this] this day have I begotten thee.

you can follow the context down to the end of the psalm it remains in the same vein.

My emphasis on annointed is because David WAS annointed and David was king

in first samuel: 16:11-13
I won't quote all that it's too much but it backs my assertion of david being the annointed.

there is another verse where Jesus speaks to the apostles about how solomon couldn't have been the son of man. and basically PROVED that David IS "Christ" i.e. the annointed. (I love how translations transliterate definitions i.e. annointed and christ)

(read CAREFULLY)
here Mark 12:35-37

I could go ON and ON verse after verse with everything even jesus himself disclaiming to be equivalent with god. and god saying that Israel was not to worship anything that he hadn't shown them that day in exodus.

ultimately I am a Jewish sympathist when it comes to christianity because the religion has been raped and misused to promote a constantinian religio-political goverment

I don't believe the jews are still waiting. some have just forgot that they received there answer. I'm Sure you are familiar with Zionism. I stand firmly behind the position that they have it mostly correct (in philosophy).

pardon me the verse about the eating of rats and swine wasn't in ezekiel it was in Isaiah 66:17 my bad.

HERESY · Jun 15, 2003

1.everything you have posted i have already dealt with before. i will answer it when i return. im also going on record to say that you most likely got your info from a "jewish" web site.

2.are you familiar with the hebrew language and better translations of the scriptures?

3.do you know what BEGOTTEN means?

:H::devious: :devious: :devious:

XianeX · Jun 15, 2003

nope. this is from study from when I was in highschool 1997 It was part of my term paper

@2 yeah a little. I'm not a fluent speaker of hebrew.

@3 we've discussed begotten before (i think). yeah

Hit The Blunt · Jun 15, 2003

Oh man......Xianex bringing back things he has already talked about before which he ALREADY knows is b.S. this whole David thing....lol. Actually wasn't it even H that you talked with about this X? LOL. Do you really have such a distorted view that you think this is a good argument?

HERESY · Jun 15, 2003

I should have let YEHUDA handle this but I don’t see him online. Anyway let’s get down.

the CURRENT version of christianity is NOT based on the early church. Over time "the church" has become more and more apostate. What MANY Jews fail to realize is that JUDAISM was NOT the first "religion" or "faith" that Hebrews had. Nor was AARON (and his order) the first priest (hood).

your disappointment comes from confusion and lack of knowledge when it comes to HOW the bible was written. That’s not a "BAD" thing...but it isn’t "GOOD" either.

if its fun (as in a game) i wont partake in it. if it’s for clarity i will. Now you say this came from your term paper. im going on record to say that you should have received an F. because you did no research at all and YOUR statements have proven it. Now if you CANT answer everything im about to throw you will prove my point.

1.can YOU list the HEBREW and GREEK words for "virgin" and what they mean? if you can do so please do it. if not it shows that YOU dont know what words are being used. if you dont know what words are being used (or how) you cant say what is or what isnt.

2. matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espousedto Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

A.) can you list the greek and hebrew words for espoused and list the meanings?

B.)if she was not a virgin why was she found with child of the HOLY GHOST? if she was NOT a virgin WHEN did she loose it?

3.19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

A.) can you explain jewish/hebrew culture and what it means to "make her a public example"?

B.) can you explain what it means to "put her away privily"?

4.20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

A.) *WHY* is joseph pondering these things?

B.) *WHY* is he told to not fear?

C.) THE ANGEL SAID THE CHILD IS CONCEIVED OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

5.24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 And
knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son:and he called his name JESUS.

A.) CAN YOU LIST THE HEBREW AND GREEK WORD FOR "KNOW/KNEW".

LETS SEE WHAT MARY HAS TO SAY.

LUKE 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

:dead: THAT KILLS YOUR STATEMENT THAT MARY WASNT A VIRGIN.

IM GOING TO REFER YOU TO THE TRIBE OF JUDAH AND THE CURSE OF JECHONIAH.

HOW DOES ALMA EXCLUDE HER FROM VIRGINITY? ONCE AGAIN CAN YOU LIST THE HEBREW AND GREEK WORDS FOR VIRGIN?

1.THE CHILDREN IN CHAPTER SEVEN AND CHAPTER 8 ARE TWO DIFFERENT CHILDREN.

2.CAN YOU GIVE THE MEANING OF BOTH MA'HER-SHAL'AL-HASH'-BAZ AND IMMANU-EL?

3.ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE PROPHETESS TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE CHILD IN 7:14. THE PROPHERESS IS THE WIFE OF ISAIAH AND SHE BEARS HIM A SON IN 8:3. IF SHE IS AN ALMA HOW CAN SHE BE MARRIED???????? IF SHE IS AN ALMA ***OR*** A VIRGIN HOW COME ISAIAH HAS A SON IN 7:3??????

4. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE 8 STAGES OF JEWISH GROWTH? ITS RELEVENT TO ALMA. IF SO LIST THEM.

ELABORATE ON WHAT IT HAS TO DO WITH. I CANT WAIT TO READ YOUR VIEWS.

1.PLEASE LIST THE GREEK RENDERING OF JOHN 3:16.

2.COMPARE THE GREEK WITH THE KING JAMES VERSION.

3.WHEN YOU COMPARE THE GREEK WITH THE KJV YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY ARE ***DIFFERENT***. I WOULD TYPE WHAT THE GREEK SAYS (AND PROVE YOU WRONG) BUT I WILL LET YOU ANSWER.

4.PLEASE ELABORATE ON WHAT IT MEANS TO BE THE "ONLY BEGOTTEN".

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FIRST PERSON LANGUAGE. PLEASE LIST THE GREEK RENDERING. THANKS.

COMPARE THE GREEK ONLY BEGOTTEN WITH THE HEBREW BEGOTTEN AND YOU WILL HAVE CLARIFICATION.

THATS GREAT. IVE ALSO SAID THAT DAVID WAS ANNOINTED (IN OTHER THREADS).

DAVID IS ANNOINTED. YOUR POINT?

1.YESHUA *NEVER* SPOKE ABOUT SOLOMON NOT BEING THE OSN OF MAN.

2.CAN YOU EXPLAIN "SON OF MAN"? PLEASE ELABORATE ON ITS MEANING.

THE PROPHECY OF ANOTHER ANNOINTED CAME AFTER DAVIDS ANNOINMENT. WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING?

ACTUALLY YOU HAVE MENTIONED THESE THINGS IN PAST THREADS. YOU WERE ALSO PROVEN WRONG. YOU MENTIONED THE SNAKE,JESUS SAYING "ONLY GOD IS GOOD" AND WHEN HE SAID THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I. DIG UP SOME PAST THREADS. I GAVE YOU TEH WORDS FOR GREATER AND BROKE DOWN WHAT THEY MEANT,LISTED THE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR YOU AND WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE SNAKE ETC ETC ETC.

*EVERYTHING* THAT YOU HAVE THROWN AT ME IN REGARDS TO THE BIBLE HAS ***ALWAYS*** BEEN REFUTED WITH SCRIPTURE. NOT ONLY THAT BUT WHEN I REFUTE IT AND LIST TRANSLATIONS AND WORDS YOU REMAIN "SILENT". AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS JESUS BEING CRUCIFIED COMPARED TO JESUS BEING HUNG ON A TREE.

*EVERYONE*ON THIS BOARD WHO READ THE POSTS
WILL AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. REGARDLESS IF THEY *BELIEVE* WHATS IN THE BIBLE OR NOT.

YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT JEWS, HEBREW CULTURE, JUDAISM OR THE SCRIPTURES.
SO HOW CAN YOU BE A “JEWISH SYMPATHIST”? HOW DO *YOU* KNOW IF ITS BEEN RAPED AND MISUSED WHEN YOU KNOW *NOTHING* OF *EITHER*.

WHAT WAS THE ANSWER AND WHEN DID THEY STOP WAITING? NOT ONLY ARE THEY WAITING ON A SIGN BUT THEY STILL WAIT FOR A MESSIAH. THEY WILL GET ONE SOON...

APOSTATE ISRAEL AND GENTILES BEING CALLED.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IM NOT BASHING YOU NOR AM I ATTACKING YOU PERSONALLY. WHAT I AM ATTACKING IS YOUR LOGIC AND KNOWLEDGE OF HEBREW AND CHRISTIAN DOGMA.

YOU DON’T COMPREHEND CANON AND PSEUDEPIGRAPHICAL TEXT AND YOUR POST PROVED IT. YOUR NEXT POST WILL PROVE IT ALSO AS I CAN GURANTEE THAT YOU *WONT* ANSWER *ALL*THE QUESTIONS POSED TO YOU. IF YOU DO IT WILL BE A FIRST.

HOW COULD SOMEONE WRITE A TERM PAPER (IN REGARDS TO THE BIBLE) AND NOT CONSULT THE HEBREW OR GREEK TEXTS?

WHAT DID YOUR TEACHER GRADE YOU ON? ACTUAL RESEARCH? IF SO YOU NEED A 0

:h:

PS EVERY QUESTION I ASKED IS RELEVENT TO *YOUR* STATEMENTS. HAVE FUN.

XianeX · Jun 16, 2003

you with the greek and hebrew. If you actually know these languages you'd clearly not be asking me some of these questons considering that they show the discrepencies in the modern bibles and furthermore show the incompatibilty between modern day christianity, ancient christianity, and judaism period, but i digress.

you asked like 30 question, I abdicate. I gotta headache from reading all that. I can answer many of them and many I can't. so you win. It's not worth the effort. victory is yours.

my point was this. Is jesus the christ/annointed or David? the verses i provided show that it is David. we both know what begotten means but if David said that that day god has begotten him then HE is the first and only begotten son (remember our discussion on figurative and literal also consider this is David's poetry not prophecy, but if you can believe a virgin made a baby i dont see why you can't believe that god begot david after david already being the son of jesse, come on now). if David is the first how can jesus be the only begotten? it's that simple. a better question WHEN IN THE BIBLE DID IT SAY JESUS WAS ANNOINTED? hmmm. I don't remember it. all I remember of jesus was his baptism and his feet being washed. if he was annointed, who by?

If you Think the Holy Ghost, God, and Jesus are the same person then that's a different story. but you've never given your position on this so who knows. you've been very political in hiding your views. a good way to not get picked at as you can pick others.

as far as virgin birth and the mythology of jesus. believe what you will. but common sense says it's impossible for a woman to have a baby without sperm. we won't agree on this because you are a theist I am not.

@son of man my bad I meant christ.

I think you missed my point about annointed. since you know greek what does christos mean??? matter of fact read that verse if you have a greek bible (I'm sure you can since you speak greek). now if jesus was talking about the annointed/christ being David . . . . are you getting the picture?
if the coming and/or second coming of christ is to be a king like david through his deliniation jesus was not a king. Jesus was more a prophet than anything else.

it's funny how you equate what i don't speak on with what i don't now, but it's cool. I know some things, some things I don't, some things I remember, some things I can't recall. some things I'm too lazy to look for because it's not worth the effort considering we most likely won't agree. if you make your request simple I'd most likely answer them but 30 questions plus. . .GOD DAMN! that's asking a bit much don't you think?

I'm like this If we both equate the present state of christianity as being WRONG. what kind of christian ARE you??? Do you equate Jesus with god? do you worship Jesus? I don't understand why you flip flop between language definitions that prove every modern interpretation of the bible is incorrect. by your own words you've said this, (albeit indirectly). everytime I use english KJV you run to greek and hebrew and plainly lay out the discrepencies in the text.
If the english KJV which validates itself from the vulgate and others is wrong and the vulgate validates its mythologies against the hebrew bible is wrong how in the hell are you so correct???

I understand you have access to a Strongs concordiance and frequently surf the internet for other references but every time you jump to another language it proves that you can't stand alone with the KJV or any other modern version of the bible. I am positive that you don't own a bible written in greek or hebrew (I have a completely Hebrew bible genesis to malachi and other jewish books) but if you do. the greek bible of the new testament is incompatible with the old testement hebrew bible. the jesus described in some of the gnostic texts is incompatible with the canon. this is indisputable. even more so the jesus in the gospels are in conflict with the jesus of the epistles of paul.

you argue several points but with no actual religious position. all i ever hear from you are questions and a ton of data that shows that you agree with everything christian but nothing at all. my debates with you have been from the perspective that I think your are a modern day bible thumper. but when I approach you from that angle you shoot it down easily by saying you aren't that. OOOOOOOOK, when I approach you from the perspective of being a gnostic you shoot that down because you'll take the position of a catholic. I approach you from the perspective of being a catholic you easily shoot that down because you'll take the position of a modern day protestant. WHAT ARE YOU??? many have asked you this in the past and have NEVER got a clear answer.

what is our positions?

Let's use this as a starting point.I am a non-theist (atheist is a cliche and I don't agree with all of many atheists' philosophies). I believe that all is because it is and can be. i believe "why" is a futile question because it is recursive, (in other words we don't need a reason to exist). I believe that the bibles that you fight so vociferously for have little or no practical use in the present day. I
believe you say you are a christian but aren't (hence the name Heresy) because you skate on one doctrine when it suits your arguement then skate on another one when it doesn't.

I dig you though. Your position on me is that I know absolutely nothing. when i say something you'll seek a technicality and harp on it although you know what i mean, a cheap trick, I'm not inffalible i make mistakes (which is easy when you donb't take something dire and serious). but when I use real shit you ignore the point ask a million questions and hide behind greek and hebrew. that's cool too.

Let's make this final
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in all sencerity and humbleness. If you can Earnestly and Honestly tell me what you are religiously and what your position is in relation to your religious beliefs I PROMISE to NEVER fuck with you on this religion shit again.
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Dude, my whole trip with you is that you are undoubtedly intelligent and full of data but you argue from so many different christian positions that its contradictory. how can one accept SO many facets of So many doctrines and refute most of their constituent facets. It's like you take from the bible, religion, and doctrines what you want to satisfy your mental architecture of religion and chunk the rest. You have consistantly backed the bible with the bible but when some one attacks the bible with the bible you go on your little greek/hebrew tangent. shits funny to say the least but strategically it's ingenious (and it's your argumentative strategies that have been most of my intrigue in you). you'll make a fantastic politician.

in conclusion, your questions may have been relevant to my post but they missed the point. which is fine. all I really want is for you to answer the main two questions and it'll be the end of our religious confrontations. if there is any subsequent argument it MAY be on philosophy, politics, and elsewise. but if you can answer those two we're done with this line of discussion.

once again your argumentative strategies are ingenious. it amazes me what you evade and what you attack. absolutely brilliant. i hear you when you say you're loading up

back @ HTB - do you research my posts on the siccness search engine. WOW. all of you that do are hillarious. you guys really do take this shit more seriously than I do. I'd NEVER waste my time to research what you've said. you aren't important enough. I'm flattered that you feel I'm noteworthy of study. bless you. but to back track just to make a point. "Obsessive compulsive" comes to mind. I'm sure I'd die laughing at all the bullshit I've said. and laugh harder that many like you have put so much effort in either proving me wrong or trying to educate me on things I care nothing about other than to play with like a networked video game. throwing darts to see if i can win and smile when I lose. you are a pawn. heresy is the only one with the caliber and fortitude of which to defeat me in debating contest. I pshaw in detest of you neophytes that know absolutely nothing accept for what he feeds you. your ever appearing presence shows how small of intellect you are and how that without his strength you are NOTHING. It is most likely Heresy IS the smartest cat on this forum in relation to religion. and most of the time I am amazed at how RIGHT he is. even he can't refute that he enjoys my foolishness as much as I do. In truth I am the catalyst for him to say things that many of you are too DUMB and inept to ask. I've made myself an instrument for him to answer questions that you couldn't possibly think to ask. stupid bitches like you should thank me for being a pedestal for him to exalt his Ideals. you are foolish to think less. how can a man fully express himself without the opportunity? he's said himself that all my shit does is spur him to study more and to be more. do you think I think I am offended at him??? haha. he is one of the few people i like talking with. most muthafukas like YOU don't have anything REAL to say. heresy and I only differ on insignificant things like religion but if you haven't noticed otherwise we share many of the same views from politics down to the plight of our race. you are a fool. and every post you make shows what a flunky you are.

it's fun and games people, it's fun and games

XianeX · Jun 16, 2003

addendum:
I apologize if some of you cats take offense of me. a strange thing that heresy has never said is this. I've sent him PMs at least a year ago in the past and he KNOW's this shit is orchestrated. he KNOW's because I've told him that I'm cool with him and that I'd continue to argue with him voraciously about religion just because I think it's fun.

I started fucking with him because (like two years ago) he would debate religion with like 5 cats at a time and would kill them in one or two posts within one thread. basically it was some cool shit and I KNEW (as I know) that I could/can drag him for at least five posts if i wanted to.

my challenge has been to see how long I could drag him before he would stop talking, get angry and start cussing, or when would he drop a clencher where I couldn't manuver the argument.

It takes a strong person to be wrong or take a losing argument (albeit purposefully) and argue a point to its end. if any of you have ever taken a debate class you'd understand this. lawyers do it all the time.

I hope that yall can discern from when I'm bullshitting (usually about this religion shit) and when i'm being real (usually if it concerns logic or politics hint hint)

I enjoy playing with peoples head. If you don't like that just ignore me. I'm sure I can find someone else to toy with.

much love. oh just as I have for every other iteration of the siccness I quit posting at 616 posts. since I've almost reached my quota you'll be rid of me soon.

_shards_

HERESY · Jun 16, 2003

yehuda and i often speak to each other in hebrew. would you like for him to confirm? i KNOW that an incompatibility exists. i also know WHY it exists. YOU on the other hand DONT.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINNING OR LOSING. I DONT GET HEADACHES WHEN I READ. I ALWAYS THOUGHT OF IT AS SARCASM AND FIGURE OF SPEECH BUT I GUESS IM WRONG.

DAVID *IS* ANNOINTED AND YOU HAVE NO REASON TO POINT THIS OUT. I ALREADY AGREED WITH THIS IN PAST THREADS. HOWEVER DAVID WAS/IS *NOT* THE ONLY "MESSIAH". JUST LIKE JESUS WAS *NOT* THE ONLY ONE TO BE CALLED "SON OF MAN". WHEN *YOU* UNDERSTAND WHAT ANNOINTED MEANS YOU WILL HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHAT IS GOING ON.

SEE WHAT YOU FAIL TO REALIZE IS THAT JESUS ***NEVER*** SAID HE WAS THE "ONLY BEGOTTEN". WHAT YOU ARE READING IS A TRANSLATION. YOU ARE *NOT* READING AN *ENGLISH* VERSION OF THE *GREEK* TEXT. WHAT JESUS SAID HE WAS IS TOTALLY *DIFFERENT*. ENDS OF DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE. YOU *CANT* ARGUE YOUR POINT BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES OR HOW THEY ARE WRITTEN.

Mark 14:4-5
Matthew 26:8-9
John 12:4-5
Acts 10:38
Acts 4:26-27

THOSE WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS TO *WHO* ANNOINTED HIM.

THIS IS A LIE. I HAVE OPENLY STATED THAT RAUCH HAKODESH,HASHEM AND YESHUA ARE *NOT* THE SAME. I HAVE BEEN *VERY* OPEN. I HAVE *SHARED* MY VIEWS FROM THE BEGINING. I AM A "FOLLOWER OF THE WAY". NOT A "CHRISTIAN", WITNESS, HINDU,MUSLIM OR ORTHODOX JEW.

I HAVE BEEN OPEN. YOU HAVE NOT.

I WILL BELIEVE WHAT I WILL. I ALSO PROVIDED SCRIPTURE THAT DEBUNKS YOUR VIEW. IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOUR A THEIST OR NOT. A PERSON WHO *ISNT* A BELIEVER IN GOD CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE IN ERROR.

NO PARTS OF THE BIBLE MENTION SOLOMON AS A "CHRIST". SEE THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE. YOU ARE TAKING A STANCE AND OPPOSING SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW *NOTHING* ABOUT. I'VE SEEN YOU DO IT WITH :V: AND WITH OTHERS ON THIS BOARD. YOU CONFUSE TERMS,MISQUOTE,GIVE THE WRONG NAMES AND YET YOU *CONTINUE* TO ARGUE. SOLOMON CANT BE THE CHRIST BECAUSE HE WROTE ABOUT A COMING CHRIST HIMSELF.

THIS IS A QUESTION THAT I WONT WASTE MY TIME ON. YOU *WONT* HAVE ME RUNNING IN CIRCLES MAN. IVE LISTED THIS *MANY* TIMES BEFORE.

SHOW ME THE VERSES THAT HAVE JESUS TALKING ABOUT DAVID AS THE COMING CHRIST AND KING.

WHAT YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT JEWS LOOKED FOR *TWO* MESSIAHS. NOT *ONE*. LEARN ABOUT JUDAISM BEFORE YOU ARGUE YOUR POINTS.

SEE YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT AND YOU ADMIT THAT YOU ARE TOO LAZY TO LOOK. IF YOUA RE TOO LAZY TO LOOK AND YOU ARENT UP TO DATE WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE HOW CAN YOU SAY WHAT IS AND ISNT?

IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOU ANSWER ONE QUESTION OR 30. WHEN YOU ANSWER THEM THEY WILL POKE HOLES IN YOUR THEORIES AND BELIEFS. YOU DONT WANT HOLES POKED IN YOUR BELIEFS SO YOU WILL FIND AN EXCUSE NOT TO ANSWER. PROVING MY POINT AGAIN.

IM *NOT* A "CHRISTIAN". IM A "FOLLOWER OF THE WAY".

BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING THE KJV LITERALLY AND AT TIMES IT *ISNT* TO BE TAKEN LIKE THAT. THATS WHY YOU *MUST* CONSULT THE ORIGINAL TEXTS.

SEE ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE PROVEN WRONG. YOU NEED TO STOP SAYING THINGS BASED ON YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE AND LITTLE RESEARCH. THE KJV IS NOT BASED ON THE VULGATE.

MASORETIC TEXT
TEXTUS RECEPTUS

LOOK THEM UP HOEPFULLY YOU WILL SEE WHY YOU ARE WRONG AND GOD IS CORRECT.

I HAVE OPENLY STATED THAT ANYONE WANTING TO READ THE BIBLE (FOR KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING) SHOULD READ A KJV ALONG WITH A GREEK LEXICON AND STRONGS CONCORDENCE. I CANT STAND ALONE WITH THE KJV BECAUSE IT *DOESNT* GIVE THE CORRECT RENDERINGS AND MEANINGS OF CERTAIN PASSAGES. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

HOW ARE YOU "POSITIVE" IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT I OWN? YOU HAVE A COMPLETE HEBREW BIBLE YET YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE. YOU MIGHT AS WELL THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW OR BURN IT BECAUSE YOU ARENT USING IT. BETTER YET SINCE YOU ARE POSITIVE THAT I DONT HAVE ONE LET ME HAVE YOURS. I WILL PUT IT TO USE. WHAT YOU OWN IS IRRELEVENT. YOU OWN THOSE THINGS YET YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE HEBREW/JEWISH CULTURE.

YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LANGUAGES SO HOW DO YOU KNOW WHATS INCOMPATIBLE OR NOT?

IVE NEVER TAKEN THE POSITION OF A CATHOLIC. THATS AN INSULT TO ME BRO. IM NOT GNOSTIC,IM NOT A BIBLE THUMPER, IM NOT A PROTESTANT. I HAVENT BEEN TO CHURCH IN YEARS. I DONT BELIEVE IN A RAPTURE, IM NOT INTO "SOPHIA"......

I AM A "FOLLOWER OF THE WAY".

PART 2 IS NEXT

HERESY · Jun 16, 2003

I AM A FOLLOWER OF THE WAY. IN REGARDS TO SCRIPTURE I KNOW THAT II TIMOTHY 3:16-17 IS ACCURATE. I KNOW THAT HASHEM CREATED THE WORLD. SOME WOULD CONSIDER ME A "THEIST" BUT DOESNT A "THIEST" HOLD A "BELIEF"? IS THE THEIST SURE?

I HAVENT IGNORED YOUR POINTS. I TOUCHED DOWN ON EVERYTHING YOU MENTIONED AS YOUR "PROOF". WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. THATS A GIVEN AND IM NOT HOLDING THAT AGAINST YOU. WHAT I AM HOLDING AGAINST YOU IS YOUR LAZINESS TO DO THE READING AND BACK YOUR CLAIMS. YOU WOULDNT HAVE MISTAKES IF YOU WOULD DO SO.

IF I TAKE SOMETHING AND "HARP ON IT" AS YOU SAY ITS TO GET YOU TO LOOK INTO IT DEEPER.

IM *NOT* SAYING THAT YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING. THATS NOT THE CASE BECAUSE YOU *DO* KNOW *A LOT*. WHAT IM TELLING YOU IS THAT *IF* YOU TAKE THE TIME TO DO A SERIOUS RESEARCH YOU WILL HAVE ***CLARIFICATION***.

I AM A FOLLOWER OF THE WAY. WE DONT BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIB RAPTURE. WE DONT BELIEVE IN TITHING 10% OF YOUR CASH TO PREACHERS. WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOING TO CHURCH AND WORSHIPING HASHEM ON SUN GOD DAY. WE KNOW THAT HASHEM IS TO BE WORSHIPPED ON *ALL* DAYS AND THAT YESHUA IS THE LORD OF SABBATH.

WE WILL HOLD CHURCH IN A PARK,IN A LIBRARY,IN YOUR HOME,IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET OR IN A SWIMMING POOL. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE BUILDING. WE *ARE* THE BUILDING. WE ARE NOT BOUND BY LEGALISM OR TRADITIONS OF MEN.

WE KNOW THAT YESHUA CAME IN THE FLESH. WE KNOW THAT HE DIED AND WAS ROSE 3 DAYS LATER. HIS SACRIFICE IS THE *LAST* SACRIFICE (PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL).

WE KEEP THE FEASTS. WE ADHERE TO TWO COMMANDMENTS GIVEN BY YESHUA. LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. BY KEEPING THESE COMMANDMENTS WE ARE FOLLOWING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE ***ROYAL LAW*** AND HAVE ***NEVER*** BEEN ABOLISHED.

WE KNOW THAT EACH PERSON MUST FIND HASHEM FOR
THEMSELVES. ITS A PERSONAL JOURNEY THAT EACH OF US MUST TAKE UP. TO ENLIGHTEN OURSELVES WE FAST (BUT NEVER LET IT BE KNOWN) , PRAY (AT ALL TIMES) SEARCH SCRIPTURES (AT ALL TIMES) AND *WORSHIP* IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH.

EACH PERSON SHOULD HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CREATOR. IF SOMEONE HAS DOGMA/DOCTRINE THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE *REAL* GOSPEL OF YESHUA THEY ARE CORRECTED. THEY ARE NOT OSTRACIZED.

WE ARE ABLE TO DISCERN CERTAIN THINGS. WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE FROM HASHEM *FIRSTHAND*. IF ALL THE BIBLES IN THE WORLD ARE BURNED TO ASH WE WILL *STILL* KNOW HASHEM. HE HAS WRITTEN HIS NAME AND SEALED US.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT *THIS* WORLD IS NOT *OUR* WORLD. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE *NOT* MERELY FLESH AND BLOOD BUT CONSIST OF 3 PARTS. BODY,SPIRIT AND SOUL.

WE ARE NOT AN "ORGANIZED" RELIGION. WE HAVE NO NUMBER TO BE REACHED AT. WE HAVE NO ADDRESS. WHEN WE SEE EACH OTHER OR HEAR EACH OTHER "WE" KNOW IT. WE DONT HAVE TO DO A SIGNAL OR HANDSIGN. WE DONT HAVE TO ASK ANYTHING.

WE ARE TO REFRAIN FROM SIN AND ABOMINATIONS. WE DONT USE YESHUA AS A SIN SCAPEGOAT. WE ARE *NOT* TO CONTINUE IN SIN. WE ARE FREE. WE ARE TO FELLOWSHIP WITH AND TEACH SINNERS,HEATHENS,WHORES,DRUG ADDICTS,PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS, DEMOCRATES,REPUBLICANS ETC ETC ETC.

WE KNOW THAT WE ARE IN THE END TIMES AND THAT THE TIME OF "JACOBS" TROUBLE IS AT HAND. WE ARE PREPARED TO BE KILLED FOR THE TESTIMONY OF YESHUA.

OUR TEACHER IS THE RAUCH HAKODESH. NOT A PREACHER. WE ARE TAUGHT *ALL* THINGS BY THE RAUCH. WE DONT BELIEVE IN KEEPING *ANYTHING* PRIVATE. ALL SCRIPTURES AND PROPHESIES ARE OPEN TO *EVERYONE*.

WE KNOW THAT THE *HEBREWS* ARE HASHEMS CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THAT THE GENTILES HAVE BEEN GRAFTED IN. SINCE THEY ARE IN THE BODY OF HASHEM NO DIFFERENCE IS MADE.

WE UNDERSTAND THE SHEMA AND WHAT IS MEANT BY "GOD IS ONE".

WE KNOW THAT ISRAEL IS THE LAND GIVEN TO THE HEBREWS. WE DO *NOT* CONDONE THE ACTIONS OF THE "PUPPET" ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

WE FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE LAND BUT WE ARE NOT *BOUND* BY THOSE LAWS. WE ANSWER TO A HIGHER AUTHORITY.

WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THE MYSTERIES OF GOD. MANY THINGS WE ARE TOLD TO *SEAL*. WE DO NOT PRACTICE ARCANE WORKS. WE DO NOT NEED TO PRACTICE KABBALAH (YOU CAN SPELL IT WITH A Q) OR OTHER MYSTICISMS TO DO THINGS WE CAN DO ***NATURALLY***.

WE KNOW OF THE "WAR" AND THE GOVERNING BODIES. WE KNOW THE TIME OF THE LOCUST KING IS SOON. WE ARE NOT GNOSTIC NOR DO WE HOLD THAT VIEW.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

SHALOM AND STICK TO YOUR PROMISE.

:h:

PS ONE DAY *YOU* WILL STOP RUNNING. ITS NOT BY *YOUR* WILL THAT WE ARE DOING THIS. HE WANTS YOU TO KNOW BUT YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW. ITS HARD FOR YOU TO KICK AGAINST THE PRICKS.

Hit The Blunt · Jun 16, 2003

"In truth I am the catalyst for him to say things that many of you are too DUMB and inept to ask."

Don't come at me like that. In truth you do not ask things that I am to dumb or inept to ask....The fact is I am not inept ENOUGH to ask the things you do. I do not ask questions before throughly researching, something which is to often found not to be the case with you. If the truth was that I wanted to ask the questions you did then I would AGREE with your posts. But that is not the case. I don't come on this board to ask questions---If I have questions in life I study them out to their end. I see no use in gathering my information through a message board opening a door to twisted information.

I find it funny that you always mention to me that..."you don't debate like so and so.....you don't do this or that" but yet you also make comments such as "I enjoy playing with peoples head. If you don't like that just ignore me." Well I don't play your games. I won't respond to You with anything that takes more then a minute or two to write. A Couple years ago I used to debate on this board in quite the detail. But the fact is many of them have already been debated---and after debating them for the third time I see no point in joining again. Some times I got into a debate for the second time only because there was nobody defending what I knew was truth. So I had to let the voice be heard. Luckily now that is not the case, atleast for issues which I feel should not be left one sided. Heresy will often speak up as I used to. Because I know all to well the 'games' you play, the only remarks you will hear from me directed at you are from the "peanut gallery"

XianeX · Jun 16, 2003

It was a figure of speech. small dart. but as i said it wasn't worth the effort.

I am totally lost by the locust king. but that intrigues the HELL outta me.

I am not above learning anything. but if it is doesn't suit my pallete or it is more than I wish to eat I gag at it, also I lost my taste for these matters long ago. my ambivalence is because i found balance in the reality and in the void, chaos and order. I don't run, I dance within the thresholds. both are my playground. I fear harm from neither. I see it like this. we walk different paths to the same destination. we see the same problems but have opposite methods of solving them. you qualify the One as an all mighty Deity I qualify the One as only the Absolute. ultimately I see us talking about the same thing with different language. My only major discrepency has been that I see both the forces of order and chaos as the balanced Absolute force in concert and I think you see them at odds with each other i.e. Good will conquer Evil. I think this whole game we've played is an example of how chaos and order work symbiotically toward progress. and that the siccness is a fertile playing field.

In truth I may have only been a distraction. In truth this conversation may have been the point of it all. In truth maybe we're playing the same game (think beyond the baser meaning of game with me) and you won't admit it.

I play inconsequentially. what is Your stake in it all? to me it is all minds and thoughts. is it to you souls and spirit?

you and I both critically think this "field" and play it with an obtuse certainty that the others may be only partially aware of.

We tried to dig into each other at SEVERAL angles to find what makes each other tick and oddly enough neither of us has ACTUALLY lost our cool.

from insulting intelligence, credibility, integrity, etc etc neither of us have been shaken. undoubtedly we can clearly see what each other is doing now.

I know you know the my feigning of vulnerability and victimization with :v: was a disingenuous to say the least and was political manuvering like much everything else. ever since you have slowed down from full assaults to strategic dart throwing I know you've recognized this. as I said in a PM to you. lets perpetuate our common interests. we contesting each other is as productive as "spilling ones seed". our common interests in the siccness is more productive and condusive to the board anyway. you obviously know what I AM genuine about in my and WHAT i WILL protect my credibility on. and those things are not uncommon with your own views.

anyway

I've been thoroughly entertained by all of this. I need a rest now. I decided to end the game because I am bored and tired. You have my props and respect. it has been an exercise of futility at an epic level.hopefully you understand what I'm talking about and we can move forward.

_shards_

XianeX · Jun 17, 2003

@HTB - enjoy this while you can for this is most likely the last time I will ever acknowledge your existance.

I've asked questions that I don't care about the answers to. isn't that funny. so who do those answers benefit? not me. why? because I don't care! duh! this shit does not interest me more than the "thrill of the hunt" and the laugh it gives me. I've stated several times that outside of the siccness this line of conversation is rare to me. I live in the heartland of the bible belt I can turn to at least 5 stations and get religious bullshit if I wished. I've had religious shit crammed done my throat since I can remember.

I have purposely tried to erase all of that nonsense from my brain and all of it's constituent aspects. what I debate with is the residuals of what is left. I dont desire to return to that shit. this is why i quit the lil game with heresy. I find myself regressing into studying useless subject matter. the funny thing is I've said so many half truths and whole lies on this shit that It perplexes me why you bother to address me with information that is non-sequitor. you have NEVER had anything productive to say to me. If It wasn't for heresy you wouldn't be a dicc riding cheerleader. the truth is this. you are just glad that there is someone that can defeat me in a religious debate the way you can't. LOL. don't be mad because I hurt your lil ego in the past (2 or 3 years ago) like I just did silly ass vyasadeva. you hold futile grudges that profit you nothing.

dude, I have incessantly stated that I give less than a fuck about this stupid religion shit. It was a hobbie that now bores me. honestly I can chose any subject matter to engage in. unfortunately the siccness cats aren't interested in many of the things I am interested in. since there is a limit to the things in which people choose to speak about here I am forced to listen to alot of repetitive bullshit. therefore I will make the most out of it i.e. piss people off for fun.

you are the lowest form of intellect to me. any man who has to stand on another mans nuts to speak is worthless and less than a man. If you wanna speak to me speak when heresy isn't speaking. speak when I haven't already engaged heresy or vice versa. I can't stand to acknowledge people such as yourself that are passive agressive flunkies that amen and yessir. you can fucc off with that bitch shit. speak to me without the hopes of heresy coming to your rescue. you remind me of a hood bitch trying to get saved by a baller E-40 style.

you come to me with stupid shit that you haven't studied and dont know anything about such as randomality you know NOTHING of chaos theory, nothing of fractal mathematics. so you sound ignorant to me. the funny thing is. when i do the same shit to heresy I'm throwing darts just to have a fun debate. you throw darts because you believe you are right. HOW FOOLISH.

you claim that god is all powerful and all knowing and deny the predestination of the universe HOW STUPID can you be. you are a half christian to say the least. the worst kind. unstudied and illogical. it is effortless that i cut niggas up like you. if you did half the studying of heresy you may be a worth opponent. but you are far from.

check me out. all the bitches like you that talked shit like me and heresy had beef look stupid. I give this cat his props like its candy all the while you've talked shit to me like "don't you say nothin bad bout daddy". It gives me great pleasure to laugh everytime you posted some bullshit at me after I have PMed :h: and told him what and (albeit partially) why i do what I do.

in closing you are nothing to me a spec that I've wasted much too much time explaining how I detest you from your own induced inferiority.

lookie here christian boy 2 timothy 3:15-16

study to shew thyself approved unto god a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. but shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

when you can do this you are worthy to speak to me not until.
now foolish one I know your bible much better than you think, and I know what you are not by your inability to adhere to it.

I have made manifest your error with your own scripture fix yourself. loser.

XianeX · Jun 17, 2003

@HTB - enjoy this while you can for this is most likely the last time I will ever acknowledge your existance.

I've asked questions that I don't care about the answers to. isn't that funny. so who do those answers benefit? not me. why? because I don't care! duh! this shit does not interest me more than the "thrill of the hunt" and the laugh it gives me. I've stated several times that outside of the siccness this line of conversation is rare to me. I live in the heartland of the bible belt I can turn to at least 5 stations and get religious bullshit if I wished. I've had religious shit crammed done my throat since I can remember.

I have purposely tried to erase all of that nonsense from my brain and all of it's constituent aspects. what I debate with is the residuals of what is left. I dont desire to return to that shit. this is why i quit the lil game with heresy. I find myself regressing into studying useless subject matter. the funny thing is I've said so many half truths and whole lies on this shit that It perplexes me why you bother to address me with information that is non-sequitor. you have NEVER had anything productive to say to me. If It wasn't for heresy you wouldn't be a dicc riding cheerleader. the truth is this. you are just glad that there is someone that can defeat me in a religious debate the way you can't. LOL. don't be mad because I hurt your lil ego in the past (2 or 3 years ago) like I just did silly ass vyasadeva. you hold futile grudges that profit you nothing.

dude, I have incessantly stated that I give less than a fuck about this stupid religion shit. It was a hobbie that now bores me. honestly I can chose any subject matter to engage in. unfortunately the siccness cats aren't interested in many of the things I am interested in. since there is a limit to the things in which people choose to speak about here I am forced to listen to alot of repetitive bullshit. therefore I will make the most out of it i.e. piss people off for fun.

you are the lowest form of intellect to me. any man who has to stand on another mans nuts to speak is worthless and less than a man. If you wanna speak to me speak when heresy isn't speaking. speak when I haven't already engaged heresy or vice versa. I can't stand to acknowledge people such as yourself that are passive agressive flunkies that amen and yessir. you can fucc off with that bitch shit. speak to me without the hopes of heresy coming to your rescue. you remind me of a hood bitch trying to get saved by a baller E-40 style.

you come to me with stupid shit that you haven't studied and dont know anything about such as randomality you know NOTHING of chaos theory, nothing of fractal mathematics. so you sound ignorant to me. the funny thing is. when i do the same shit to heresy I'm throwing darts just to have a fun debate. you throw darts because you believe you are right. HOW FOOLISH.

you claim that god is all powerful and all knowing and deny the predestination of the universe HOW STUPID can you be. you are a half christian to say the least. the worst kind. unstudied and illogical. it is effortless that i cut niggas up like you. if you did half the studying of heresy you may be a worth opponent. but you are far from.

check me out. all the bitches like you that talked shit like me and heresy had beef look stupid. I give this cat his props like its candy all the while you've talked shit to me like "don't you say nothin bad bout daddy". It gives me great pleasure to laugh everytime you posted some bullshit at me after I have PMed :h: and told him what and (albeit partially) why i do what I do.

in closing you are nothing to me a spec that I've wasted much too much time explaining how I detest you from your own induced inferiority.

lookie here christian boy 2 timothy 3:15-16

study to shew thyself approved unto god a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. but shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

when you can do this you are worthy to speak to me not until.
now foolish one I know your bible much better than you think, and I know what you are not by your inability to adhere to it.

I have made manifest your error with your own scripture fix yourself. loser.

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