Calling all Atheists
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Fuckin idiots with their BLIND FAITH in science.
In case you fuckin morons have not noticed, science cannot and will not ever be "perfect", it will not "answer every question", nor will it be "God", nor will it ever "crush" spirituality.
Why not? Because science was created by imperfect humans, it is utilized by imperfect humans, and will metamorphose according to the imperfect humans who are able to effect change.
Since man is by nature incomplete and imperfect, then logically it follows that the means by which man attempts to understand the world (science) is ALSO incomplete and imperfect To claim that it will be "God" or "answer every question" is insanity.
Science is NOT an enemy of spirituality, or of God. The only people who insist that science and spirituality remain separate are the fuckin idiots who are too blind in their faith to see that both science and spirituality coexist in perfect harmony. People act like they don't have faith in science, but actually most of these wanna be mr. wizard muthafuckas treat science like a religion and follow just as blindly as your average "Christian" does.
In case you fuckin morons have not noticed, science cannot and will not ever be "perfect", it will not "answer every question", nor will it be "God", nor will it ever "crush" spirituality.
Why not? Because science was created by imperfect humans, it is utilized by imperfect humans, and will metamorphose according to the imperfect humans who are able to effect change.
Since man is by nature incomplete and imperfect, then logically it follows that the means by which man attempts to understand the world (science) is ALSO incomplete and imperfect To claim that it will be "God" or "answer every question" is insanity.
Science is NOT an enemy of spirituality, or of God. The only people who insist that science and spirituality remain separate are the fuckin idiots who are too blind in their faith to see that both science and spirituality coexist in perfect harmony. People act like they don't have faith in science, but actually most of these wanna be mr. wizard muthafuckas treat science like a religion and follow just as blindly as your average "Christian" does.
LMFAO @ Vyasadeva
(although I used your quote this is not soley directed at you.)
my lung transmutes air.
my lungs produces carbon dioxide.
my mouth blows a breeze.
my eyes translates light.
my hand molds clay.
my hands press keys that send electronic impulses across the world.
my body produces anti-bodies to keep me well
I piss on a weed and kill it.
I burn a wick in a candle.
I speak and sound waves manipulate the space around me.
ALL of us manipulate matter. our body manipulates it
ALL of us manipulate nature. our body manipulates it
ALL of us manipulate forces. our body manipulates it
if God is the mystery and science is that by which the mystery is solved how are they reconcilable?
Theists use god as a measurement for their existance.
Atheists use god as Theist's measurement for the unknown.
once all is known what use is there for the concept of god
and if all is known what is the use for science.
if one is useless so is the other. they are coexistant.
(although I used your quote this is not soley directed at you.)
my lung transmutes air.
my lungs produces carbon dioxide.
my mouth blows a breeze.
my eyes translates light.
my hand molds clay.
my hands press keys that send electronic impulses across the world.
my body produces anti-bodies to keep me well
I piss on a weed and kill it.
I burn a wick in a candle.
I speak and sound waves manipulate the space around me.
ALL of us manipulate matter. our body manipulates it
ALL of us manipulate nature. our body manipulates it
ALL of us manipulate forces. our body manipulates it
if God is the mystery and science is that by which the mystery is solved how are they reconcilable?
Theists use god as a measurement for their existance.
Atheists use god as Theist's measurement for the unknown.
once all is known what use is there for the concept of god
and if all is known what is the use for science.
if one is useless so is the other. they are coexistant.
MAN WAS GIVEN CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE BY CERTAIN BEINGS. MAN LEARNED FROM GOD. MAN LEARNED FROM "WATCHERS".
GOD DOESNT USE "SCIENCE". MAN DOES. MAN CANNOT "CAUSE TO BE" FROM "NOTHING" SO MAN HAS TO USE SCIENCE. MAN CANNOT KEEP YOU ALIVE BY WORD OF MOUTH. GOD CAN. MAN USES A LIFE SUPPORT MACHINE TO KEEP YOU ALIVE. GOD DOESNT NEED ONE.
@XIANEX IM NOT TALKING ABOUT CAUSE AND REACTION. IM TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY MANIPULATING FORCES AND POWERS BECAUSE YOU ARE ALIGNED WITH THEM.
FEW OF US CAN MOVE THINGS WITH A THOUGHT. FEW OF US CAN HEAL WITH A TOUCH. FEW PEOPLE CAN CAUSE IT TO RAIN BY WORD OF MOUTH. IM NOT LOOKING AT THE "NATURAL" PART. YES YOU CAN DRINK WATER AND PISS ON A PLANT.
DRINK WATER,PISS ON A PLANT AND BRING IT BACK TO LIFE BY SIMPLY TOUCHING IT.
KrypticFlowz SPOKE ON IT A BIT. VERY FEW OF US ARE TAPPED IN. WHY? BECAUSE OF WHAT WE EAT,OUR ENVIRONMENT,WHAT WE INTAKE VISUALLY,MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY. WE ARE BLINDED. WE DONT KNOW "WHO" OR "WHAT" WE ARE.
SO THIS BRINGS UP THE QUESTION. HOW CAN ALL BE KNOWN? IS ALL KNOWN BECAUSE OF REVELATION FROM "GOD" OR "SCIENCE"?????
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GOD DOESNT USE "SCIENCE". MAN DOES. MAN CANNOT "CAUSE TO BE" FROM "NOTHING" SO MAN HAS TO USE SCIENCE. MAN CANNOT KEEP YOU ALIVE BY WORD OF MOUTH. GOD CAN. MAN USES A LIFE SUPPORT MACHINE TO KEEP YOU ALIVE. GOD DOESNT NEED ONE.
@XIANEX IM NOT TALKING ABOUT CAUSE AND REACTION. IM TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY MANIPULATING FORCES AND POWERS BECAUSE YOU ARE ALIGNED WITH THEM.
FEW OF US CAN MOVE THINGS WITH A THOUGHT. FEW OF US CAN HEAL WITH A TOUCH. FEW PEOPLE CAN CAUSE IT TO RAIN BY WORD OF MOUTH. IM NOT LOOKING AT THE "NATURAL" PART. YES YOU CAN DRINK WATER AND PISS ON A PLANT.
DRINK WATER,PISS ON A PLANT AND BRING IT BACK TO LIFE BY SIMPLY TOUCHING IT.
KrypticFlowz SPOKE ON IT A BIT. VERY FEW OF US ARE TAPPED IN. WHY? BECAUSE OF WHAT WE EAT,OUR ENVIRONMENT,WHAT WE INTAKE VISUALLY,MENTALLY AND SPIRITUALLY. WE ARE BLINDED. WE DONT KNOW "WHO" OR "WHAT" WE ARE.
SO THIS BRINGS UP THE QUESTION. HOW CAN ALL BE KNOWN? IS ALL KNOWN BECAUSE OF REVELATION FROM "GOD" OR "SCIENCE"?????
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XianeX said:
remember Krsna made everything even his father (according to you). so he made science as well didn't you know LMFAO!
excuse me
excuse me
I dismiss anything the wannabe hindu Vyshnu trick writes on the sicc. After analyzing bullshit, after bullshit, after bullshit, I have come to the conclusion that he, she, eunuch, whatever, has contributed absolutely nothing to the siccness and is a complete waste of life.
not true. throw an apple in the air.
in MANY scriptures,mythologies,writings etc etc etc you see the gods,god or intelligent beings giving MAN knowledge (and tools)
what MANY of you are confusing is SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY. which brings me to this point. the ancient egyptians used what? science or technology? what about the greeks?
to anyone who says "MAN CREATED GOD" i ask you a simple question.
WHO WAS THIS MAN?
TO ANYONE WHO SAYS "SCIENCE" IS MAN MADE I ASK YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION.
WHO WAS THIS MAN WHO CREATED "SCIENCE"?
I WILL BE PLAYING MY GUITAR.......
C YA
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in MANY scriptures,mythologies,writings etc etc etc you see the gods,god or intelligent beings giving MAN knowledge (and tools)
what MANY of you are confusing is SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY. which brings me to this point. the ancient egyptians used what? science or technology? what about the greeks?
to anyone who says "MAN CREATED GOD" i ask you a simple question.
WHO WAS THIS MAN?
TO ANYONE WHO SAYS "SCIENCE" IS MAN MADE I ASK YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION.
WHO WAS THIS MAN WHO CREATED "SCIENCE"?
I WILL BE PLAYING MY GUITAR.......
C YA
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BOTH. Science is first then the technology comes afterward which brings the need for more science which develops future technologies etcetera etcetera. technologies can't be created without a need. and a need must be found.
I dont believe that it was just some ONE man. when I say "Man" created the concept of god I mean mankind man collectively. one man can have a vision but it takes more than one man to perpetuate an Idea over centuries. the same goes for science.
I can just as easily ask what man created the wheel. that is a futile question that is impossible for any of us to answer. but we know a man had to have made it.
@:h: - I find what you said about alignment interesting. good clarification. but I have to say this. name one living person that can touch any dead thing and bring it back to life. and provide undeniable proof. this is something you can't without mentioning Jesus or someone who can not be proved.
There is no evidence of the watchers or otherwise. I find the notion curious to say the least.
The only people I know of that revive dead bodies are "scientist"aka doctors who "practice" medicine (something that was considered magic, witchcraft, practiced by preists and wizard etc.). speaking of egyptians and greeks you must be familiar with asclepius and/or imhotep. was that god magic or science that they practiced?
I dont believe that it was just some ONE man. when I say "Man" created the concept of god I mean mankind man collectively. one man can have a vision but it takes more than one man to perpetuate an Idea over centuries. the same goes for science.
I can just as easily ask what man created the wheel. that is a futile question that is impossible for any of us to answer. but we know a man had to have made it.
@:h: - I find what you said about alignment interesting. good clarification. but I have to say this. name one living person that can touch any dead thing and bring it back to life. and provide undeniable proof. this is something you can't without mentioning Jesus or someone who can not be proved.
There is no evidence of the watchers or otherwise. I find the notion curious to say the least.
The only people I know of that revive dead bodies are "scientist"aka doctors who "practice" medicine (something that was considered magic, witchcraft, practiced by preists and wizard etc.). speaking of egyptians and greeks you must be familiar with asclepius and/or imhotep. was that god magic or science that they practiced?
Do I ever talk shit to you? Do I ever talk shit to Heresy? Do I ever talk shit to anyone who attempts to have a civilized conversation?
The reason I talk shit to the vishnu cat is because of previous comments he made. Do you remember...."Atheists are the lowest class of man"
What claims do I have to back up when debating god or religion? The burdon of proof does not lay upon the atheist.
The reason I talk shit to the vishnu cat is because of previous comments he made. Do you remember...."Atheists are the lowest class of man"
What claims do I have to back up when debating god or religion? The burdon of proof does not lay upon the atheist.
I UNDERSTAND THIS. NOW IF YOU COMPARE THE TWO CULTURES (GREEK AND EGYPTIAN) YOU *WILL* SEE A DIFFERENCE. THE GREEKS LEANED MORE TO SCIENCE WHILE THE EGYPTIANS LEANED MORE TOWARDS TECHNOLOGY. YOU'RE RIGHT. TECHNOLOGY CANT BE CREATED UNLESS ITS A "NEED". THE EGYPTIANS HAD A NEED TO CUT STONE. *LASERS* WERE USED. NOW YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT IS A "NEED". IS IT A "NECESSITY" OR A "WANT"?
I UNDERSTAND THIS. HAVE YOU EVER COMPARED THE TEMPLES OF THE CHINESE,JAPANESE,EGYPTIANS AND AZTEC/MAYANS? THEY ALL HAVE SIMILAR STRUCTURES YET THEY ARE THOUSANDS OF MILES APART. THOSE DESIGNS ARE LINED BY THE STARS OR DONE WITH PRECISE MATHMATIC EQUATIONS AND FIGURES. CAN YOU SEE WHAT IM HINTING AT HERE?
SEE THATS WHERE WE DIFFER. MAN MAY HAVE INVENTED "METHODS" OR THE TECHNOLOGY TO EXPLORE SCIENCE BUT MAN DID NOT "INVENT" IT.
PERSONALLY I *CANT* DO IT NOR DO I KNOW ANYONE WHO CAN. THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT IT *CANT* HAPPEN OR THAT IT *WONT* HAPPEN SOON. PEOPLE MOVE OBJECTS AND CLOSE DOORS BY "THOUGHT". THATS BEEN DOCUMENTED. JUST BECAUSE *YOU* (NOT YOU IN PARTICULAR) DONT SEE IT THAT DOESNT MEAN IT DOESNT EXIST. I HAVENT SAW BIG FOOT NOR HAS A *REAL* SIGHTING BEEN DOCUMENTED. HOWEVER ALMOST *EVERY* RACE/CULTURE ON THIS PLANET HAS A VERSION OF IT (SASQUATCH,YETTI,WINDIGO ETC ETC ETC). YOUR QUESTION ALSO RAISES A THEOLOGICAL ONE THAT I DONT REALLY WANT TO GET INTO. THE AGE OLD QUESTION OF "DOES GOD GIVE GIFTS?"
SOON YOU WILL SEE THE DEAD RAISING THE DEAD BUT NOT BY THE DEADS POWER.
PONDER THAT. MANY SAY THAT THE ALIENS ARE THE WATCHERS AND VICE VERSA. YOU HAVE "EVIDENCE" OF THE OFFSPRING OF THE WATCHERS. IF YOU BELIVE IT THATS UP TO YOU.
ALL THROUGH OUT HUMANITY MAN HAS RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE/INFO FROM "BEINGS". HUMANS RECEIVED FIRE FROM PROMETHEUS, THE FIRST JAPANESE EMPEROR RECIEVED THE CLOUD CLUSTER FROM THE SUN GODDESS,EGYPTIANS LEARNED FROM RE,WATCHERS TAUGHT HUMANS ALLIGNMENTS AND HOW TO USE IRON,MAKE UP ETC ETC ETC. HOW MUCH IS MYTH? WHATS REAL?
MAN *WANTS* CREDIT FOR HIS WORK AND AT TIMES SELFISH. MAN WOULD NOT PASS UP A CHANCE TO ETCH HIS NAME IN STONE.
IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK AND WHAT YOU READ. IN SOME CIRCLES MEDICINE. TO SOME A PERSON WORTHY OF WORSHIP, TO SOME A MAGICIAN AND PRIEST,TO SOME A SCIENTIST AND TO OTHERS A MASON/BUILDER.
PERSONALLY I BELIEVE HE WAS FAR AHEAD OF HIS PEERS. I DONT KNOW IF THATS BECAUSE OF KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS REVEALED TO HIM OR IF HE WAS SIMPLY "GIFTED".
SOON YOU WILL SEE THE DEAD RAISING THE DEAD BUT NOT BY THE DEADS POWER.
PONDER THAT. MANY SAY THAT THE ALIENS ARE THE WATCHERS AND VICE VERSA. YOU HAVE "EVIDENCE" OF THE OFFSPRING OF THE WATCHERS. IF YOU BELIVE IT THATS UP TO YOU.
ALL THROUGH OUT HUMANITY MAN HAS RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE/INFO FROM "BEINGS". HUMANS RECEIVED FIRE FROM PROMETHEUS, THE FIRST JAPANESE EMPEROR RECIEVED THE CLOUD CLUSTER FROM THE SUN GODDESS,EGYPTIANS LEARNED FROM RE,WATCHERS TAUGHT HUMANS ALLIGNMENTS AND HOW TO USE IRON,MAKE UP ETC ETC ETC. HOW MUCH IS MYTH? WHATS REAL?
MAN *WANTS* CREDIT FOR HIS WORK AND AT TIMES SELFISH. MAN WOULD NOT PASS UP A CHANCE TO ETCH HIS NAME IN STONE.
The only people I know of that revive dead bodies are "scientist"aka doctors who "practice" medicine (something that was considered magic, witchcraft, practiced by preists and wizard etc.). speaking of egyptians and greeks you must be familiar with asclepius and/or imhotep. was that god magic or science that they practiced?
PERSONALLY I BELIEVE HE WAS FAR AHEAD OF HIS PEERS. I DONT KNOW IF THATS BECAUSE OF KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS REVEALED TO HIM OR IF HE WAS SIMPLY "GIFTED".
2-0-Bitch, will you kindly remove your mouth from my balls?
You and X need to stop crying and whining like little hoes. Give yourselves a hug.
Yeah, I said atheists are the lowest class of men, and you prove me right every time you hit the reply button. When I say lowest, I mean lowest on the intelligence meter.
Your own atheistic doctrine says that there is no Absolute Truth.
Your own doctrine says that there exists NO moral imperative in the universe (what a person should or should not do). I'm not talking about "laws of the land" either, I'm talking about laws of nature.
According to your own philosophy, there can be NO morality because to accept morality is to accept a universal authority. This authority is greater than the community and it's speculation, and this authority is what has set forth the conditions of moral and immoral behavior. Since this authority is God, you reject it's existence and say that there is no authority, therefore there can be no morals.
Yet your fuckin ignorant retarded and illogical rotted out brain will STILL try to say that "atheists can have morals". No, you fuckin idiot, all the atheist has is what he THINKS are morals. All the atheist has, is some IDEA of "this is moral", "this is amoral". But since the atheist is not referring to an authority, he has made HIMSELF the authority. And a subjective opinion on morality is simply speculation, it is not substantive truth.
So tell me how the fuck you can act in a "moral" fashion, when according to the atheistic philosophy, there IS NO such thing as a moral imperative?!
You and X need to stop crying and whining like little hoes. Give yourselves a hug.
Yeah, I said atheists are the lowest class of men, and you prove me right every time you hit the reply button. When I say lowest, I mean lowest on the intelligence meter.
Your own atheistic doctrine says that there is no Absolute Truth.
Your own doctrine says that there exists NO moral imperative in the universe (what a person should or should not do). I'm not talking about "laws of the land" either, I'm talking about laws of nature.
According to your own philosophy, there can be NO morality because to accept morality is to accept a universal authority. This authority is greater than the community and it's speculation, and this authority is what has set forth the conditions of moral and immoral behavior. Since this authority is God, you reject it's existence and say that there is no authority, therefore there can be no morals.
Yet your fuckin ignorant retarded and illogical rotted out brain will STILL try to say that "atheists can have morals". No, you fuckin idiot, all the atheist has is what he THINKS are morals. All the atheist has, is some IDEA of "this is moral", "this is amoral". But since the atheist is not referring to an authority, he has made HIMSELF the authority. And a subjective opinion on morality is simply speculation, it is not substantive truth.
So tell me how the fuck you can act in a "moral" fashion, when according to the atheistic philosophy, there IS NO such thing as a moral imperative?!
animals don't have a god, yet they exercise a moralistic behavior in some ways. there are animals that don't inbreed, which is a taboo, and is morally wrong. and atheists are the lowest form of man intellectually? please. many great thinkers have been atheistic in at least some aspects, if not all. maybe you should do some thinking for yourself and maybe you will see how ignorant you are.
LMFAO CTFU OMG Golly gee Hilarious HA HA HA! *smiles* ROFLMMFAO LOL CTFU EEP OPP ORK AH AH
Do you giggle like a 12 year old when you talk?
Look faggot, Krsna creating His father is not "according to me".
It is according to KRSNA'S OWN WORDS. Krsna is God. God is not created. When Krsna wishes to be "born" (to appear), He chooses to accept a certain father and mother.
Did you choose your parents? No? Did you choose what form you would take upon being born? Were you born with full knowledge and power? No? Then how can you be equal to Krsna? Krsna decides who, what, where, when, and how He takes His birth, but you do not.
This is not "according to me". This is straight from the Bhagavatam, 10th Canto, 3rd Chapter, 12 & 13th Verses.
[color=sky blue]"O Maharaja Pariksit, descendant of King Bharata, Vasudeva could understand that this child was the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Narayana. Having concluded this without a doubt, he became fearless. Bowing down with folded hands and concentrating his attention, he began to offer prayers to the child, who illuminated His birthplace by His natural influence.
Vasudeva said: My Lord, You are the Supreme Person, beyond material existence, and You are the Supersoul. Your form can be perceived by transcendental knowledge, by which You can be understood as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. I now understand Your position perfectly."[/color]
Now, it cannot be made any more clear that Vasudeva accepted his son Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Why the fuck else would a man bow down and offer prayers to his baby son??
Vasudeva says that Krsna is beyond material existence. Vasudeva did not inject semen into Devaki in order for Krsna to be born. Krsna is born of His own will. This is obviously a distinction between the created (Vasudeva), and the creator (Krsna). The family members and associates of Krsna are of His same spiritual potency. When Lord Brahma kidnapped a group of Krsna's friends and calves to test Krsna's potency, Krsna simply expanded Himself into another group of friendsand calves, which Brahma saw were all Visnu-murtis, direct expansions of the Supreme Godhead. That is in the 10th Canto 13th Chapter.
Now, can you just address the scripture and explain to me why Vasudeva would bow and pray to Krsna as the Supreme Person if Krsna is "created" like the rest of us? I know you can't, but I have an idea as to how you will reply.
X: CTFU OMG HA HA Wow LMMFAO LOL Let me do a lot of bullshitting and talking which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but if I keep using big words and babbling on like a hoe then maybe no one will notice that I don't know shit about Krsna or the Vedic philosophy, matter of fact fuck you V you are an idiot. I view you as an extension of myself in a manifestation of the relative absolute in perception with perspective congruent to the idiosyncratic flux. My ism is so deep it is above everything.
ROFLMMFAO LOL CTFU EEP OPP ORK AH AHDo you giggle like a 12 year old when you talk?
Look faggot, Krsna creating His father is not "according to me".
It is according to KRSNA'S OWN WORDS. Krsna is God. God is not created. When Krsna wishes to be "born" (to appear), He chooses to accept a certain father and mother.
Did you choose your parents? No? Did you choose what form you would take upon being born? Were you born with full knowledge and power? No? Then how can you be equal to Krsna? Krsna decides who, what, where, when, and how He takes His birth, but you do not.
This is not "according to me". This is straight from the Bhagavatam, 10th Canto, 3rd Chapter, 12 & 13th Verses.
[color=sky blue]"O Maharaja Pariksit, descendant of King Bharata, Vasudeva could understand that this child was the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Narayana. Having concluded this without a doubt, he became fearless. Bowing down with folded hands and concentrating his attention, he began to offer prayers to the child, who illuminated His birthplace by His natural influence.
Vasudeva said: My Lord, You are the Supreme Person, beyond material existence, and You are the Supersoul. Your form can be perceived by transcendental knowledge, by which You can be understood as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. I now understand Your position perfectly."[/color]
Now, it cannot be made any more clear that Vasudeva accepted his son Krsna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Why the fuck else would a man bow down and offer prayers to his baby son??
Vasudeva says that Krsna is beyond material existence. Vasudeva did not inject semen into Devaki in order for Krsna to be born. Krsna is born of His own will. This is obviously a distinction between the created (Vasudeva), and the creator (Krsna). The family members and associates of Krsna are of His same spiritual potency. When Lord Brahma kidnapped a group of Krsna's friends and calves to test Krsna's potency, Krsna simply expanded Himself into another group of friendsand calves, which Brahma saw were all Visnu-murtis, direct expansions of the Supreme Godhead. That is in the 10th Canto 13th Chapter.
Now, can you just address the scripture and explain to me why Vasudeva would bow and pray to Krsna as the Supreme Person if Krsna is "created" like the rest of us? I know you can't, but I have an idea as to how you will reply.
X: CTFU OMG HA HA Wow LMMFAO LOL Let me do a lot of bullshitting and talking which has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but if I keep using big words and babbling on like a hoe then maybe no one will notice that I don't know shit about Krsna or the Vedic philosophy, matter of fact fuck you V you are an idiot. I view you as an extension of myself in a manifestation of the relative absolute in perception with perspective congruent to the idiosyncratic flux. My ism is so deep it is above everything.