Calling all Atheists
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shep, if there is no God, then there is no morals. It can be no other way. Either there is a sovereign authority which is the transcendental standard of "morality", or else it is pure chaos where anything goes with no repercussion. And morals go beyond our man-made laws, which obviously have not and will not come to a consensus on what "moral" behavior is.
Morals deal with what people "should" and "shouldn't" do. Now the atheist is of the opinion that we are not existing under any authority, therefore when the atheist declares something as "moral" or "immoral", they do not refer to an objective and independent source.
No, they are simply referring to themselves. They think they are the authority on what is right and wrong. The atheist's morality is nothing more than their own conditioning and mental concoctions. The atheist, according to his own philosophy, can only tell you what he THINKS is moral and immoral. Since they do not recognize the absolute truth, they are under the impression that "everything is opinion". Which is fine, but if everything is simply perpective and opinion, then there are no morals because we cannot say with certainty that "x is immoral". Anything goes, and all we can do is opine on it.
When the atheist tries to speak on something as being moral or immoral, all they are doing is assuming the role of the authority (which is clearly ludicrous since their argument is that there is no God/Authority). This is why you guys are the least intelligent. And it is funny because I have friends that are atheists, and when they do some shit wrong, they feel bad about it. But if there is no God and no rules, then why feel bad? Why feel guilty ever about anything? You feel bad because you know it was "wrong" of you to do it?
Who says it was wrong? How do you know it was wrong? There is no supreme authority and fuck the bible and scripture, therefore right and wrong are one and the same. Its just different perspectives. If I steal from the rich to feed the poor that is OK, but if I steal from the poor to make myself rich, that is not OK. But hold up, stealing is stealing. So in this idiotic "opinion world" where everything is just perspective, there can be no absolute rule regarding stealing. In this world the same exact action is sometimes immoral, and sometimes moral. Therefore there are no morals in this perspective-verse.
Morals deal with what people "should" and "shouldn't" do. Now the atheist is of the opinion that we are not existing under any authority, therefore when the atheist declares something as "moral" or "immoral", they do not refer to an objective and independent source.
No, they are simply referring to themselves. They think they are the authority on what is right and wrong. The atheist's morality is nothing more than their own conditioning and mental concoctions. The atheist, according to his own philosophy, can only tell you what he THINKS is moral and immoral. Since they do not recognize the absolute truth, they are under the impression that "everything is opinion". Which is fine, but if everything is simply perpective and opinion, then there are no morals because we cannot say with certainty that "x is immoral". Anything goes, and all we can do is opine on it.
When the atheist tries to speak on something as being moral or immoral, all they are doing is assuming the role of the authority (which is clearly ludicrous since their argument is that there is no God/Authority). This is why you guys are the least intelligent. And it is funny because I have friends that are atheists, and when they do some shit wrong, they feel bad about it. But if there is no God and no rules, then why feel bad? Why feel guilty ever about anything? You feel bad because you know it was "wrong" of you to do it?
Who says it was wrong? How do you know it was wrong? There is no supreme authority and fuck the bible and scripture, therefore right and wrong are one and the same. Its just different perspectives. If I steal from the rich to feed the poor that is OK, but if I steal from the poor to make myself rich, that is not OK. But hold up, stealing is stealing. So in this idiotic "opinion world" where everything is just perspective, there can be no absolute rule regarding stealing. In this world the same exact action is sometimes immoral, and sometimes moral. Therefore there are no morals in this perspective-verse.
it seems as tho the religious people who post on this board are completely simple minded and lost...so instead of drawing this out to a point and making a big deal out of it, humans are instintively productive as it helps them grow and be happier. MORALS (as you call them), do not need to be assigned by any higher authority, as products of our environment, raised atheist or christian you will still understand that social productivity (STRONG MORALS) are rewarding, or to state is in more simple terms for the idiots here, making your environment positive (being a good little boy) makes your life easier and more productive, which leads to happiness and pleasure (getting a treat for not being disruptive) what more do i need to say? morals and values are institutions constructed through your environment and how you were raised, plain and simple.
willy, i'm sure that the person with the lowest iq ever believes in god, does that mean god doesn't exist no, so why should having the highest iq mean he does? it doesn't matter how smart you are because some people will believe what they want no matter what.
and morals can exist without god..... every human inherently knows right from wrong, and i'm not talking about breaking a law, for laws are man made.
and morals can exist without god..... every human inherently knows right from wrong, and i'm not talking about breaking a law, for laws are man made.
Wow, answering a question with a question. An assinine way to digress. Did you ever debate in High School bitch?
By the way, I'm not being harsh because I'm a religious believer and I'm upset - I'm being harsh because your trite atheist cliche faggot trash arguments are almost as annoying as the polemics on this fucking board. Leave it to a faggot like you to rehash the old "IS THERE A GOD" threads yet a-fucking-GAIN. It's been done 800 times before on this board by people much smarter than you. You have nothing new to add, so FUCKOFF.
By the way, I'm not being harsh because I'm a religious believer and I'm upset - I'm being harsh because your trite atheist cliche faggot trash arguments are almost as annoying as the polemics on this fucking board. Leave it to a faggot like you to rehash the old "IS THERE A GOD" threads yet a-fucking-GAIN. It's been done 800 times before on this board by people much smarter than you. You have nothing new to add, so FUCKOFF.
oh, you can't argue properly, so you try to insult me.... grow up man.
and i was answering his question with my question because i was showing that his question made no sense and had nothing to do with the topic at hand... faggot...
it seems to me you are about to cry because not everyone believes what you do. here's a tissue, now go and cry in the corner like the little girl you are
and i was answering his question with my question because i was showing that his question made no sense and had nothing to do with the topic at hand... faggot...
it seems to me you are about to cry because not everyone believes what you do. here's a tissue, now go and cry in the corner like the little girl you are
Lasers?!!!!
they used Trigonometry & Physics although the term physics and trig weren't coined yet. The fact that we as humans share the same type of brain can easily explain similarites, also you must take into remembrance panagea. Also take into consideration mathematics is a strong science. if you discover a law it is always at your disposal i.e. the sum of a triangles degrees is 180 degrees
polaris is fastened in the same place in the sky day or night. etcetera.
explain????????
VERY true. but also just because something is documented doesn't mean its true.
to keep away from a theistic approach as possible I'll say this. every human has attributes. some people have attributes that others don't share. If you call that a gift then so be it. i.e. some poeple can see better than 20/20 some people can breath through there ears or eyes (I live with someone who can blow bubbles with her eye (very freaky)).
I think I know what you are talking about. I just need better context
what evidence????
sometimes the myth is used to keep truth(s) alive. this is why I honestly do respect religious texts for what they say in that rite.
but I just don't agree in adopting anything man handled as absolute and infallible. so my opinion would be humans make up myths to protect more important things that shouldn't be forgotten, or to remind us of things we forot to remember.
I can go deeper with this but It's the wrong thread. for it.
a breathe of fresh air
they used Trigonometry & Physics although the term physics and trig weren't coined yet. The fact that we as humans share the same type of brain can easily explain similarites, also you must take into remembrance panagea. Also take into consideration mathematics is a strong science. if you discover a law it is always at your disposal i.e. the sum of a triangles degrees is 180 degrees
polaris is fastened in the same place in the sky day or night. etcetera.
explain????????
VERY true. but also just because something is documented doesn't mean its true.
to keep away from a theistic approach as possible I'll say this. every human has attributes. some people have attributes that others don't share. If you call that a gift then so be it. i.e. some poeple can see better than 20/20 some people can breath through there ears or eyes (I live with someone who can blow bubbles with her eye (very freaky)).
I think I know what you are talking about. I just need better context
what evidence????
sometimes the myth is used to keep truth(s) alive. this is why I honestly do respect religious texts for what they say in that rite.
but I just don't agree in adopting anything man handled as absolute and infallible. so my opinion would be humans make up myths to protect more important things that shouldn't be forgotten, or to remind us of things we forot to remember.
I can go deeper with this but It's the wrong thread. for it.
a breathe of fresh air
YEP LASERS. LOOK INTO IT.
SEE NOW YOUR STARTING TO SEE WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT AREAS WERE ABLE TO USE THE SAME EQUATIONS. WE SHARE THE SAME TYPE OF BRAIN. THE ONLY THING WE DID WAS GAIN KNOWLEDGE ON WHAT WAS SET BEFORE US. MATH HAS *ALWAYS* EXISTED. DID MAN INVENT MATH? NO. YET MAN INVENTED A CALCULATOR. I UNDERSTAND THIS. JUST BECAUSE ITS *NOT* DOCUMENTED DOESNT MEAN IT DIDNT HAPPEN. NOT AS FREAKY AS TEARS TURNING INTO CRYSTALS, I SAW THAT ON TV. EVERYONE DOES HAVE ATTRIBUTES. SOME HAVE *ALL* OF THEM. SOME HAVE MAYBE 2 OR 3. SOME HAVE 7 OF THEM BUT HAVE ONLY TAPPED INTO 4 OR 5. THE DEAD PEOPLE WILL RAISE THEMSELVES. HOWEVER THE POWER WONT COME FROM WITHIN. JEWISH WRITINGS. BOOK OF ENOCH FOR EXAMPLE. I AGREE AND THIS IS WHY I ASK HOW MUCH IS REAL AND HOW MUCH IS MYTH? PROTECTING WHAT?
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SEE NOW YOUR STARTING TO SEE WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT AREAS WERE ABLE TO USE THE SAME EQUATIONS. WE SHARE THE SAME TYPE OF BRAIN. THE ONLY THING WE DID WAS GAIN KNOWLEDGE ON WHAT WAS SET BEFORE US. MATH HAS *ALWAYS* EXISTED. DID MAN INVENT MATH? NO. YET MAN INVENTED A CALCULATOR. I UNDERSTAND THIS. JUST BECAUSE ITS *NOT* DOCUMENTED DOESNT MEAN IT DIDNT HAPPEN. NOT AS FREAKY AS TEARS TURNING INTO CRYSTALS, I SAW THAT ON TV. EVERYONE DOES HAVE ATTRIBUTES. SOME HAVE *ALL* OF THEM. SOME HAVE MAYBE 2 OR 3. SOME HAVE 7 OF THEM BUT HAVE ONLY TAPPED INTO 4 OR 5. THE DEAD PEOPLE WILL RAISE THEMSELVES. HOWEVER THE POWER WONT COME FROM WITHIN. JEWISH WRITINGS. BOOK OF ENOCH FOR EXAMPLE. I AGREE AND THIS IS WHY I ASK HOW MUCH IS REAL AND HOW MUCH IS MYTH? PROTECTING WHAT?
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No, if you look at religion objectively, one will find that religion is not curing the worlds problems. Religion is a tool to, DEAL with the world's problems.
Think about it. Jesus was basically murdered for basically hinting that he was the Son of God. If you think about it Christianity centers around a crime.
Do you think it was a crime to crucify Jesus?
Think about it. Jesus was basically murdered for basically hinting that he was the Son of God. If you think about it Christianity centers around a crime.
Do you think it was a crime to crucify Jesus?
@ lasers I will. THAT BRAND NEW to me.
@math. I believe that math has always been here but it took man to discover it. man finds new mathematical things everyday.
@dead people. I got you. I read something in revelations that is similar to your Allusion.
@book of enoch. like you said if i choose not to believe. . .LOL
@ how much is real how much is myth. GOOD point. I understand that we should use discernment when we read religious text. Thats why I say that it is dangerous to have people that are not adept in command of there interpretation. to me a preacher weilding a bible is equivalent to a you saying to the siccness cats don't fucc with magic. you see what I'm saying? here's a better example:
knowledge is power. spell
control over knowledge is power. witch
a person administering power incorrectly is damaging. blak magic
see what I mean?
examining a myth in study is one thing, finding inspiration in a myth is another thing. but whole heartedly accepting a myth as LOGICAL and absolute truth is DANGEROUS. It is helpful to the perpetuation of the myth but dangerous to the person who accept's it as reality.
@protecting what. I believe we had this conversation before but in a bad context. mythologies have carried "Secret Intelligence" type stuff i.e. the mannerism in which to perform a ritual. names of people that were symbolic by the definition of the name alone.
when people were initiated into the mysteries their mastery of the myth enabled them to "see" the "light" in the "mystery rites" and made plain what certain myths actually meant.
That has been the importance of the mysteries alchemy and gnosticism throughout the ages. they provide a resolution to the questions in historical text about unbelieveable shit.
I'm alluding to in example (I believe) Ezekiel after looking into the hole in the wall and his discussion with the priest/elders about their neglect of Yahweh for there Mysteries (that they inherited from egypt through moses). and when he rebuked them for the eating of swine and the rat ( priest/elders eating unkoscher meat I know you'll find that interesting)
a Tangent:
Have you discovered the difference in Yahweh and Elohim yet?
Fucc it. lets turn this thread into our own lil private discussion fucc the topic. HAHA
@math. I believe that math has always been here but it took man to discover it. man finds new mathematical things everyday.
@dead people. I got you. I read something in revelations that is similar to your Allusion.
@book of enoch. like you said if i choose not to believe. . .LOL
@ how much is real how much is myth. GOOD point. I understand that we should use discernment when we read religious text. Thats why I say that it is dangerous to have people that are not adept in command of there interpretation. to me a preacher weilding a bible is equivalent to a you saying to the siccness cats don't fucc with magic. you see what I'm saying? here's a better example:
knowledge is power. spell
control over knowledge is power. witch
a person administering power incorrectly is damaging. blak magic
see what I mean?
examining a myth in study is one thing, finding inspiration in a myth is another thing. but whole heartedly accepting a myth as LOGICAL and absolute truth is DANGEROUS. It is helpful to the perpetuation of the myth but dangerous to the person who accept's it as reality.
@protecting what. I believe we had this conversation before but in a bad context. mythologies have carried "Secret Intelligence" type stuff i.e. the mannerism in which to perform a ritual. names of people that were symbolic by the definition of the name alone.
when people were initiated into the mysteries their mastery of the myth enabled them to "see" the "light" in the "mystery rites" and made plain what certain myths actually meant.
That has been the importance of the mysteries alchemy and gnosticism throughout the ages. they provide a resolution to the questions in historical text about unbelieveable shit.
I'm alluding to in example (I believe) Ezekiel after looking into the hole in the wall and his discussion with the priest/elders about their neglect of Yahweh for there Mysteries (that they inherited from egypt through moses). and when he rebuked them for the eating of swine and the rat ( priest/elders eating unkoscher meat I know you'll find that interesting)
a Tangent:
Have you discovered the difference in Yahweh and Elohim yet?
Fucc it. lets turn this thread into our own lil private discussion fucc the topic. HAHA