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Pretty sure Lara retweeted a post from someone saying he should fight GGG. He Also retweeted other guys names can't remember which ones. But yeah very unlikely cuz of the HBO golden boy fued.

Also GGG won't move to 154. He said of course he would go down to 154 for Mayweather but he is a middleweight and his goal is to unify 160.
 
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SHANE MOSLEY DISCUSSES THE SUCCESS OF FLOYD MAYWEATHER'S DEFENSE: "FLOYD IS NOT JUST DOING THE SHOULDER ROLL"
By Ben Thompson | February 08, 2014

"There's different things that Floyd does that people don't understand," stated future Hall of Famer "Sugar" Shane Mosley, who shared his opinion on why other fighters have been unable to duplicate the same type of success that undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd "Money" Mayweather has had using his shoulder roll defense. Although we've seen fighters, such as Adrien Broner and Andre Berto, attempt to utilize the signature style, sooner or later, their opponents have found a way to break through the defense that the seemingly untouchable Mayweather has made famous over the years. According to Mosley, the reason why is that the shoulder roll is just one of several variables that make up Mayweather's defense, and thus far, nobody has been able to put together the entire equation.

"Floyd is not just doing the shoulder roll. Floyd is doing other stuff too. They think that they can just do that [shoulder roll] and it nullifies everything like Floyd does, but it doesn't. That's the misconception," Mosley explained during a recent conversation with FightHype.com. "I mean, Floyd is turning, he bounces a little bit, he gives them a little angles; I mean, he's doing different things. They're just trying to do one little thing that Floyd does, but he's doing all kinds of other stuff. That's what makes him him."
 

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SHANE MOSLEY DISCUSSES THE SUCCESS OF FLOYD MAYWEATHER'S DEFENSE: "FLOYD IS NOT JUST DOING THE SHOULDER ROLL"
By Ben Thompson | February 08, 2014

"There's different things that Floyd does that people don't understand," stated future Hall of Famer "Sugar" Shane Mosley, who shared his opinion on why other fighters have been unable to duplicate the same type of success that undefeated pound-for-pound king Floyd "Money" Mayweather has had using his shoulder roll defense. Although we've seen fighters, such as Adrien Broner and Andre Berto, attempt to utilize the signature style, sooner or later, their opponents have found a way to break through the defense that the seemingly untouchable Mayweather has made famous over the years. According to Mosley, the reason why is that the shoulder roll is just one of several variables that make up Mayweather's defense, and thus far, nobody has been able to put together the entire equation.

"Floyd is not just doing the shoulder roll. Floyd is doing other stuff too. They think that they can just do that [shoulder roll] and it nullifies everything like Floyd does, but it doesn't. That's the misconception," Mosley explained during a recent conversation with FightHype.com. "I mean, Floyd is turning, he bounces a little bit, he gives them a little angles; I mean, he's doing different things. They're just trying to do one little thing that Floyd does, but he's doing all kinds of other stuff. That's what makes him him."
That was the most pointless interview ever lol I think anyone who really understands boxing already knew this and it should be obvious. There aren't many guys doing shoulder roll defense besides Broner and Berto that stand out and it's obvious they aren't using their feet, virtually at all. And that's only 1 difference.
 

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Funny you mention Martinez. The 154 pound title Floyd owns was stripped from Martinez and given to Canelol. Why? Because the WBC said Martinez cannot be champion at both 154 and 160, so they stripped him of the WBC 154 title. Meanwhile Floyd still has titles in two weight classes.
So are u blaming Floyd for this? If they want to strip Floyd than go ahead. Floyd just bdefended his belt at 154 and is about to defend his belt at 147. What else do u want him to do? He can defend both belts at the same time lol. Got Em!!

Well it seems that might happen to Floyd if he doesn't fight Manny/Bradley winner come September. Plus, Broner did lose the title on the scale vs Escobedo. Thanks CZAR @CZAR for making me do my homework
Huh? Floyd is fight at 147 in May, they arent gonna take his 147 belt if he doesnt fight the winner of Bradley/Pac lol. Got Em!!

Pretty sure Lara retweeted a post from someone saying he should fight GGG. He Also retweeted other guys names can't remember which ones. But yeah very unlikely cuz of the HBO golden boy fued.

Also GGG won't move to 154. He said of course he would go down to 154 for Mayweather but he is a middleweight and his goal is to unify 160.
So GGG will go down to fight Floyd but he wont go down to fight Lara?? Hmmmm ok. Got Em!!
 
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No I'm not blaming Floyd for Sergio being stripped u missed the point.

Did GGG turn down an offer from Lara? Nope there hasn't been an offer. Further why would GGG go down in weight to fight Lara in a non title fight? Makes no sense. Besides GGG only said he would for Floyd for the same reason Hopkins said he'd go down to 160 only for Floyd - big time money. Everyone wants a money PPV. I'm sure Klitschko would say he could make 175 for Floyd lol
 

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Pacquiao offers Bradley second chance at defining the Desert Storm legacy

By Stephen Lynch

Bereft of options, Manny Pacquiao is about to repeat the same mistake he made in 2012 in challenging Timothy Bradley to a rematch. Sympathetic judges, debilitating injuries or one concussive punch from the Pacman are the only ways he can win this second fight. Giving a “thinking fighter” like Bradley a second opportunity to figure you out is like going to rob the same bank you did last week using the exact same method, the exact same crew and even wearing the same outfits and disguises.

All credit to Filipino’s national hero for taking on this difficult assignment again – even though this time around he is left with a far shorter list of viable opponents – but it is a fight he simply can’t win. If it goes the distance like the first bout, the commentariat wisdom is that Bradley will have thoroughly outboxed Pacquiao. Having worked out the angles, timed the incoming punches, limited his prior mistakes and made the adjustments to counter and strike at the legendary southpaw, Bradley will deconstruct Pacquiao in similar fashion to Juan Manuel Marquez over four engrossing fights.

Controversial scoring aside, “Desert Storm” Bradley recovered from a twisted right ankle and a fractured left foot to fight through the pain barrier and see out the rest of the fight on his feet. Again, while most thought Pacquiao won by at least two or three rounds (including me at first viewing) – all three judges gave the American round seven and two of the three handed him the last three rounds of the bout. This was a competitive, close fight folks – ignore the hyperbole from HBO’s biased team of Lampley and Merchant that night – Emmanuel Steward was the only one calling the action down the middle and watching without rose-tinted spectacles.

Gamblers Advisory’s Richard Dwyer sets out two broad types of fighter in boxing; “Pattern” fighters such as Wladimir Klitschko, Ricky Hatton and Manny Pacquiao contrasted with “Adaptive-reactive” fighters who count Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins and Andre Ward among their class. Tim Bradley belongs to the latter grouping. He is also one of those boxers, like Danny Garcia, who has no obvious exceptional quality or attribute, but is very able across a wide range of competences including foot speed, hand speed, counterpunching, combinations, inside fighting skill, punch resistance, ring generalship and IQ.

If the elusive Mayweather-Pacquiao fight wasn’t killed off when Bradley won the split decision in April 2012 then I expect it to be on April 12 2014 when Bradley wins a much wider decision. Although Pacquiao is 35 years old now, power is the last thing to leave an aging boxer, and he has a decent puncher’s chance in whatever fight he’s in. The only question is how much Desert Storm will engage with and trade with Pacman if the bullets start flying. The WBO champion has said he’d be willing to have a shootout, no doubt as a show of bravado if not a misdirecting tactic. Freddie Roach doesn’t expect such brawling fireworks from the unbeaten Californian, telling reporters they are planning to cut off the ring and aggressively back Bradley into a corner. Roach added that “once he gets hit he’ll fight back and he’ll become his old self.” Is this archetypal Tim Bradley the same who got into the trenches with Ruslan Provodnikov in the Fight of the Year? Or the more conservative outfoxing and outsmarting of the wily Juan Manuel Marquez?

Tim Bradley already has a knowledge base on fighting Pacquiao, 12 rounds at that, after surviving the stormy early rounds and appearing to begin solving the Pacquiao puzzle. He also admitted in the press conference last week to having studied his foe “forever.” But if in some parallel universe Pacquiao was to fight Floyd Mayweather, a notoriously slow-starter, he’d surely have a greater chance of stopping the unbeaten RING/WBC champion. Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley all had their greatest success against Floyd in the earlier rounds – such is the small window of opportunity that presents itself to his opponents. This window closes almost as soon as it opens, once Mayweather recognises the chink in his armour and adapts his game to conceal it again like a shape-shifting chameleon.

Bradley is a tough competitor, an exemplary athlete, a dangerous opponent and fiendishly difficult to beat the first time, never mind having to do it a second time. To borrow another analogy from Dwyer; if you’re in the ring with a safe-cracker – the last thing you want to do is to give them your combination. “The Fighting Congressman” is handing such information to Tim Bradley, whose determination will drive him to take full advantage of the blueprint.

Keen to prove it wasn’t a fluke the first time around, Bradley seeks an exclamation mark to his Pacquiao predicament. Speaking often of the chip on his shoulder sustained by his critics, and how he uses these to motivate himself to train “like an animal” – Bradley is on a mission to prove us all wrong. A clear victory here would further enhance his formidable legacy, and would see him replace his Top Rank stablemate as the public’s crowned challenger to Mayweather’s throne. But there is a real sense that their lanes will not cross, in the same way Pacquiao’s never did. Promoter politics and network disputes notwithstanding, boxing historians will look back on this period and lament the failure of the “Mayweather-Pacquiao-Bradley” Era to materialise. We have the next best thing to look forward to on April 12.
 

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Keith Thurman is the most avoided fighter in boxing



By Kevin Davis

Keith Thurman is the number one contender by the the WBA and has shown growth as a fighter and power punching at the welterweight level, that we haven't seen in years. Boxing critics are going to say who has Thurman beat to be considered great, well he has beaten guys that other boxers are avoiding. Soto-Karass and Chaves are two of the hardest fights any man can have and if you know the sport you wouldn't want to face those guys on any night. Thurman is has 22 wins, with 20 by way of knockout. A 98% rate something the so-called greats have not been doing, even against C-level talent.

Paulie Malignaggi turned down a fight with him because of the money, there is no money in fighting him right now. Guerrero team says they have no problem fighting him, but Golden Boy offer wasn't financially satisfying. He can't get a Floyd Mayweather fight right now, Marcos Maidana team turned down a fight with him, Adrien broner thinks GBP are setting him up to face Thurman but doesn't seem interested.

What's next for a fighter to do, he was suppose to fight the winner of Maidana and Broner, now he sitting there in the wind waiting. Many are going to say Kovalev is the most avoided and Golovkin, but people are trying to fight them, none are reaching for Thurman, let's change that.
 
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No I'm not blaming Floyd for Sergio being stripped u missed the point.

Did GGG turn down an offer from Lara? Nope there hasn't been an offer. Further why would GGG go down in weight to fight Lara in a non title fight? Makes no sense. Besides GGG only said he would for Floyd for the same reason Hopkins said he'd go down to 160 only for Floyd - big time money. Everyone wants a money PPV. I'm sure Klitschko would say he could make 175 for Floyd lol
So its ok for everyone to only want to fight Floyd but duck other people but when Floyd only wants to fight people who will help sell his PPV and not unknowns or fighters that dont have a big fan base he is ducking lol. Not a 2 way street homie. Got Em!!
 
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So its ok for everyone to only want to fight Floyd but duck other people but when Floyd only wants to fight people who will help sell his PPV and not unknowns or fighters that dont have a big fan base he is ducking lol. Not a 2 way street homie. Got Em!!
I'm talking about mandatories, man. Go back. Lara is mandatory to Floyd's 154 pound title. He's been in line for a long time. I want him to get his shot.

Same with Keith Thurman. He is due. He was mandatory to Broner now he's mandatory to Maidana. I just want boxing to follow their own rules.
 

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Well good luck with that. Im just gonna watch boxing as it comes and just hope for a great year like we had last year. To much bickering going on about this guys and that guy. We can go on and on. No sport is perfect so just move on and hope for the best. We all have our opinions and we all say there are certain boxers ducking certain people. Oh well what can we do. Got Em!!
 
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Thurman would destroy Garcia. Garcia is waiting for everyone at 147 to destroy themselves then he will come in and fight at 147. Props to Lara for calling out GGG, but it just won't happen. Showtime doesn't have the money to put up a fight like this as is the issue with GGG vs Quillin. This is just to give Lara momentum as he's trying brand himself. The more realistic fight would be Lara vs Cotto as he really is a free agent, but that won't happen either cuz his promo company is backed by TR.
 
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If anything, Lara's manager was talking about moving up to 160 so even more realistic would be Lara vs Quillin! WOW! that would be a good fight. But if that doesn't happen then Lara just used GGG name to boost his career, like how Floyd used Manny's.
 

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Anyone have interest in seeing Thurman v Garcia @ 147?
That wouldnt happen. Garcia is the champ at 140 and has no intentions of moving up anytime soon. Thats why they didnt even try to get the Floyd fight. If it did happen it would be at 140 but I dont think Thurman can make 140. I actually think Thurman is a big welterweight and belongs at 154 actually. Got Em!!
 
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That wouldnt happen. Garcia is the champ at 140 and has no intentions of moving up anytime soon. Thats why they didnt even try to get the Floyd fight. If it did happen it would be at 140 but I dont think Thurman can make 140. I actually think Thurman is a big welterweight and belongs at 154 actually. Got Em!!
Isn't Thurman 5'6 or 5'8? He looks taller than he is.
 
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Arum too smart for Mayweather and Golden Boy
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boxing By Chester Rivers” When Top Rank and Bob Arum agreed to re-sign Miguel Cotto last summer few saw the signing as a strategic business move. The re-signing is now shaping up to be a major factor in the immediate future of Floyd Mayweather Jr, Golden Boy Productions and Showtime Boxing.

Two factors that determine a successful investor are 1) being able to foresee the future 2) investing small with the possibility of a huge return. These two factors now seem to be the two major factors in the Cotto re-signing. While some of you are trying to decipher what you have just read let me explain it in simpler terms.

Rewind to last summer around the same time of the re-signing. A major move was going on in the Mayweather camp. It was rumored that Showtime was unhappy with the numbers generated by Mayweather vs. Guerrero and demanded he [Mayweather] fight a popular fighter regardless of the risk. Mayweather, Golden Boy and Showtime all agreed on rising Mexican superstar Saul “Canelo” Alvarez. Around the same time of that announcement Top Rank announced the re-signing of Miguel Cotto. Cotto is the man credited with giving Mayweather one of his most competitive fights in recent memory in which he [Cotto] bloodied the nose of the pound for pound king. Many dismiss the signing as a favor to an aging fighter to land one last payday. Was Arum positioning his company for a major fight with Mayweather based on the rumor Showtime was forcing Mayweather to only fight the big names in the Division? Adding Cotto would give Top Rank a monopoly of all the big names in the welterweight division. Many fans would prefer to see Mayweather fight Manny Pacquiao, Timothy Bradley, Juan Manuel Marquez or Miguel Cotto over any fighter left in the Golden Boy stable.

The Mayweather team is now faced with a lose/lose situation. Mayweather is now relegated to have his next opponent, Amir Khan or Marcos Maidana, chosen by a public poll in order to see which fighter will be the more financially rewarding. The problem is no one thinks either fighter is deserving of this fight. In their head to head meeting, Maidana loss to Khan and was terribly out boxed by Devon Alexander. Amir Khan has been knocked out cold by Danny Garcia and Bredis Prescott. Khan was hurt badly by Julio Diaz in his last fight and loss a twelve division to Lamont Peterson.

Mayweather may be forced to repeal his stance that he would never put another dollar in the pocket of Bob Arum and admit that Arum and Top Rank are simply too smart.

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Ricky Burns’ fight strategy for Terence Crawford fight revealed
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Terence Crawford Burns Crawford Burns vs. Crawford ricky burns By Scott Gilfoid: WBO lightweight champion Ricky Burns (36-2-1, 11 KO’s) and his trainer Billy Nelson revealed their fight strategy this week in how they plan on trying to beat the talented #1 WBO challenger Terrence Crawford (22-0, 16 on March 1st at the Scottish Exhibition Centre, Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom. So what is Burns’ brilliant fight strategy for beating the lightning fast counter-punching Crawford?

Well, Nelson says they’re going to throw a lot of punches to try and keep Crawford off of his game. In other words, they’re going to try sand overwhelm Crawford the same way that fighters have been attemtpting to do for years against Floyd Mayweather Jr. without success.
Crawford is very similar to Mayweather with his fighting style, so the idea is to overload his ability to counter punch for all the shots that coming in. The theory is that a counter puncher can only throw one punch at a time, while a busy fighter will just unload with combinations.

“We’re going to be very busy, take him out of his comfort zone,” Nelson said on Sky Ringside.

This kind of thing might work against a guy with average power, and less than blazing fast hands. But against a guy with the kind of power and hand speed that Crawford has going for him, it’s a recipe for disaster for Burns if he tries to just go in there and throw a lot of shots hoping to overwhelm Crawford’s defenses. Burns will end up getting hit with a shot that he doesn’t see coming, and he’ll either get dropped or we could see his jaw get broken again like in his last fight against Raymundo Beltran last September in that controversial fight in Scotland.

Burns says “It’s going to be a very difficult fight for me. Nobody knows more than me. Technically, he’s very, very slick and very good…He can punch a bit as well. My preparation has been going well and the variety of sparring that we’ve been bringing in has been great from southpaws to orthodox fighters because he does like to switch hit a lot.”

The only thing that can beat a fighter like Crawford is to get inside on him and stay there. But Burns can’t do this because he basically has no inside game, to be honest. When Burns is inside, he’s spoiling and just holing on to keep his opponents from throwing shots rather than throwing his own punches. If Burns knew how to fight on the inside, I would recommend that he smother Crawford and work his body all night and not let him get away, but Burns can’t learn how to fight on the inside overnight. Besides that, Nelson is talking about Burns simply trying to outwork him, and he didn’t say anything about fighting on the inside. Burns will be on the outside catching pure hell from Crawford each time he tries to throw one of his shots. It’s going to give Crawford all kinds of opportunities to land his counter shots, and really work Burns over.

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