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Yeah, he said he wants the Cotto/Margarito winner and he HOPES it's Cotto. So I give him props for fighting a savage like Cotto.

However, one thing I'd like to point out here is that Cotto, along with Hatton, Pacquiao, and Mayweather, are all smaller then Oscar. Oscar is a natural 154 pounder, and yet all of the people he has tried to fight are 147 or smaller, including Cotto. Now, I understand there aren't any "big" names at 154 that will provide as big as a payday as the above mentioned names, however there still is Winky Wright, who I think deserves the fight more then anyone else...

If he fights Cotto, I wonder if it will be at a catch weight of 150 like it was against Mayweather, or if it will be at 154. Remember, Cotto was fighting at 140 not that long ago and he's pretty short, I think 5'6.

Regardless, I still think Cotto will murder oscar!!
 
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Michael Gomez is Ready To Shock Amir Khan on 6/21

By Mark Vester

Veteran Michael Gomez (35-8, 24KOs) has vowed to shock lightweight sensation Amir Khan (17-0, 13KOs) when the two fighters collide on June 21 at the National Indoor Arena in Birmingham.

Gomez told ITV that Khan's people picked him at the wrong time because their fighter is not ready for him.

"Training has gone very well and although I know this is a hard task I feel it is the right time for the job. I am not getting younger and Amir will get better. But he has just changed trainers and I think when I belt him he will be wondering where Oliver Harrison ism" Gomez said. "On fight night I will be in very good shape. If Amir under estimates me then he will be in for a massive, massive shock. I truly believe this fight has been given to me by God and I am going to take my chance"

Gomez has lost three of his last six, and all three losses came by way of knockout. He promises that his hard work in training camp will lead him to victory. He feels Khan has a suspect chin and plans to exploit it.

"Ask anyone who has trained with Mike Gomez and they will tell you that I am a very hard trainer. I like to party but I train hard as well and for this one everything has gone well. When I win this fight it may be a shock to you lot but not to me and Bobby Rimmer. We only see one result - a Gomez win," Gomez said.

"Willie Limond had him over and he is not a puncher. If that was me I would have finished him. No ifs or buts, it would have been game over. They call me the Predator and when I do hit him and he goes over it will be game over as I will not let him back in the fight. I am not sure he is as chinny as some people make out but if anyone is hit right they go and I am working on some moves that will mean I hit him correctly. This is going to be the best Michael Gomez ever
 
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Ricky Hatton: "I Would Fight De La Hoya Next Summer"

By Mark Vester

After Floyd Mayweather Jr. announced his retirement, Golden Boy Promotions went scrambling to find a replacement for Oscar De La Hoya's next fight, which was set for September 20.

Ricky Hatton, recently signed to Golden Boy, was approached about taking the fight, but turned it down. He feels a fight against De La Hoya for September is too soon after taking part in a tough bout against Juan Lazcano a few weeks ago. Additionaly, Hatton is already signed to fight IBF junior welterweight champ Paulie Malignaggi in November.

De La Hoya has now pushed back his return to December 6 and says he will no longer fight past 2008. If De La Hoya decides against retiring, Hatton is willing to fight him next summer.

"I've had a De La Hoya fight offered in September but it's a bit too soon. I might consider it next summer," Hatton told Setanta Sports.

De La Hoya is not the only fighter upset over Mayweather's departure, Hatton wanted a shot to avenge his knockout loss to Mayweather last December.

"I'd have liked to have a rematch with him and there was talk of him coming. But it's been taken out of my hands and there's nothing I can do," Hatton said.

Hatton returned from the loss last month, and his performance against Lazcano was a bit lackluster. Prior to the bout, it was reported that Hatton became ill during camp, but his camp said it was nothing more than a minor cold. Hatton now admits that he was still ill when he fought Lazcano. Overall, he thought it was great return.

"Coming back from a knock-out defeat, there's always a confidence factor over whether you're going to be the same again. I came back in good style. I think I boxed very, very well. I was carrying a bit of an illness so all things considered, I'm still over the moon with the performance. I'll be better from here on in now," Hatton said
 
Jul 24, 2005
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Vernon Forrest: "Mora vs. Mosley is Not Going To Happen

By Rick Reeno

Legal papers will begin to fly if WBC junior middleweight champion Sergio Mora moves forward with a discussed pay-per-view bout against Shane Mosley on October 11 at the Staples Center in California. Mora won his first major title last Saturday at the Mohegan Sun when he pulled off a majority decision over Forrest. There was an immediate rematch clause in the contract and Forrest exercised the clause.

According to Forrest, the contract prevents Mora from facing another fight prior to their rematch, and it doesn't even matter if Mora still holds the title. Golden Boy Promotions is having discussions with Jeff Wald (promoter of Mora) to secure his fighter for Mosley's October PPV date.

Forrest tells MaxBoxing/BoxingScene.com that he's unwilling to take a step aside fee.

"It's not going to happen. They could try, but it won't happen. It's not about money. It's about principles and it's about my fans. I owe it to my fans. Mora ain't fighting nobody but Vernon Forrest in September. There will be no step aside and no payoff. There is only going be a fight - me and Mora in September. That's the only fight that Mora will see next," Forrest said.

Even if a miracle took place and Forrest took some cash to step aside, Mora was recently mandated by the WBC to defend the title against Sergio Martinez. The sanctioning body wants them to begin negoiations on an immediate basis with no delays. Martinez's promoter, Lou DiBella, has indicated that he would move for Mora to be stripped of the title if the Mosley fight went forward.
 
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Hasim Rahman: "Toney, The Loser Should Retire"

Los Angeles, CA - In a classic crossroads battle of two former champions trying to sustain their careers for one last shot at another title, James “Lights Out” Toney and Hasim “The Rock” Rahman will hook up in their long-awaited rematch on Wednesday night, July 16.

The scheduled 12-round NABO Heavyweight Championship Bout -- presented by Goossen Tutor Promotions, Don King Productions and in association with Top Rank, Inc. – will headline an FSN “Best Damn Fight Night” telecast (11 pm EST Live/8 pm PST) from Pechanga Resort & Casino in Temecula, CA.

Toney (70-6-3, 43 KO) felt certain that he had taken the WBC World Heavyweight title from Rahman (45-6-3, 36 KO) when they collided in Atlantic City back in March 2006. However, the former world titleholder in the middleweight, super middleweight, cruiserweight and heavyweight divisions came up just short with the judges scoring the bout a draw.

Because Rahman honored a mandatory defense commitment against top WBC contender Oleg Maskaev – which he lost via TKO in the 12th round five months after narrowly escaping Toney – a rematch never materialized for Toney. That will change on July 16, albeit with no world title at stake – only a title shot for the winner and a ride into the sunset for the loser.

“I agree wholeheartedly that the loser of this fight should retire,” said Rahman, a Baltimore native, who has fought four times since being dethroned in August, 2006. In those bouts he has come away with a decision win and three straight TKOs – most recently against veteran Zuri Lawrence back in November to capture the NABF Heavyweight crown.

“I can’t see Toney staying with me for 12 rounds with what I’m gonna bring this time,” Rahman continued. “I’m not only gonna be the guy who is going to retire James Toney, I’m gonna be the first guy to knock him out as well.”

Following his disappointing draw against Rahman, the ever-determined Toney regrouped and – in a WBC Heavyweight Championship Elimination Bout -- put on a tremendous performance against Nigerian powerhouse Samuel Peter in front of a packed house in LA’s Staples Center in September, 2006. Once again, however, the Ann Arbor, MI native now living in Calabasas, CA, was deprived of a victory – in the eyes of boxing fans and media alike – as Peter was awarded a highly controversial split-decision victory.

Because of the fan and media uproar, the WBC mandated an immediate Toney-Peter rematch, which took place in Florida four months later. This time, however, there was little dispute in the outcome, as Peter was awarded a unanimous decision.

Disappointed, Toney came back less than five months later and earned a split-decision win over Danny Batchelder in a fight that he seemed to have lost interest in before the first bell.

And now after what will be nearly a 14-month absence from the ring, the 39-year old Toney and the 35-year old Rahman, will finally meet again with the winner earning their “Last Chance” opportunity for another world championship with the loser going home.

“If he says he’s going to knock me out, God bless him,” Toney said in responding to Rahman’s prediction. “The last time we fought he had his track shoes on for 12 rounds. This time I am coming in shape. People will doubt what I just said, and probably for good reason, so I’ll let them see for themselves. I’ve learned my lessons, although probably later than I should have, but I can tell you I’m ready to prove it. I won’t leave it to the judges this time. I’m going to do everything to knock HIM out.”

“This is a very important crossroads fight for both Hasim Rahman and James Toney. The winner will re-emerge as a contender for the world heavyweight championship," said Bob Arum of Top Rank, who promotes Rahman
 
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Yeah, he said he wants the Cotto/Margarito winner and he HOPES it's Cotto. So I give him props for fighting a savage like Cotto.

However, one thing I'd like to point out here is that Cotto, along with Hatton, Pacquiao, and Mayweather, are all smaller then Oscar. Oscar is a natural 154 pounder, and yet all of the people he has tried to fight are 147 or smaller, including Cotto. Now, I understand there aren't any "big" names at 154 that will provide as big as a payday as the above mentioned names, however there still is Winky Wright, who I think deserves the fight more then anyone else...

If he fights Cotto, I wonder if it will be at a catch weight of 150 like it was against Mayweather, or if it will be at 154. Remember, Cotto was fighting at 140 not that long ago and he's pretty short, I think 5'6.

Regardless, I still think Cotto will murder oscar!!


this will be a brutal stoppage and I hope this fight happens oscar needs an ass whipping for taking them pictures what an the hell was he thinking about
 
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'Call em Out Fridays': One and Done...What Will The Final Legacy Of Oscar De La Hoya

'Call em Out Fridays': One and Done...What Will The Final Legacy Of Oscar De La Hoya Read?
13.06.08 - By Vivek Wallace: Earlier this week in my 'Left-Hook Lounge' Q&A Mailbag session the major topic on the minds of fans was Oscar De La Hoya. Despite all of the talk about him being a has-been, it seems that when its time to talk boxing, those that fight in the sport, those that view the sport, and perhaps even those totally away from the sport all seem to gravitate towards one name. Oscar De La Hoya. When it comes to Oscar, everyone has an opinion. Despite the great success of yesterday, lately it appears the tone on this one individual hasn't been so pleasant. Today we take a closer look at what exactly has caused the sudden divide. Like any other of my 'Call em Out Fridays' sessions, today we'll put another one of the sports key figures under the spotlight as we analyze the "Upside Fan Perspective", the "Downside Fan Perspective", take a glimpse into my own perspective, then open the doors to let you, the avid fight fan chime in with yours. Spotlight and drumroll please.........

Oscar De La Hoya - (The Upside Fan Perspective): Where do we start? A U.S.A. Olympian, Champion in various weight divisions, successful boxing promoter, Philanthropist, blazay, blazay. There really isn't too many boxing related accolades that isn't on the resume of Oscar De La Hoya. To add to them is the fact that he's been a global heartthrob and one of the sole reasons that quiet woman in the corner at your workplace knows a couple more interesting details about the sport than you ever imagined. A perfect gentleman outside of the ring, a raging tiger inside. In his prime, Oscar was fully equipped with the tools that make a true champion. The jab, the speed, the ring smarts, and a left hook that sent many to the showers early. The thing about Oscar that I personally always liked was his 'battle spirit'. Just always seemed that every time an opponent flurried, he answered the call and welcomed it in return. He wasn't always the biggest or necessarily the fastest, but when he entered the ring there was one thing he always was. The fan favorite. Dating back to his early epic moments against the likes of Chavez, Whitaker, and many others, Oscar was always the one whose hand fight fans wanted to see held high in the end. Fast forward to 2008, and the title applied could very well be "What a difference a few years make"?

Oscar De La Hoya - (The Downside Fan Perspective): For a man who at one point seemed to be unable to do any wrong, all of a sudden, things in the Goldenboy's neck of the woods aren't quite what they once seemed to be. After going undefeated in his first 31 fights, a questionable loss to Puerto Rico's Felix Trinidad seemed to permanently remove the veil of invincibility that once covered Oscar. It was his first time in the ring against a future Hall of Famer who was actually in his prime and it culminated into a streak that many feel completely takes away from the legacy he had so carefully crafted throughout the years. That streak would be a very disappointing 1-5 record from that point in his career to current against prime Hall of Fame fighters, losing to Trinidad, Mosley (twice), Hopkins, and Mayweather, while defeating the weakest of the pack, Mexican Fernando Vargas. The thing that makes Oscar so difficult to judge is the fact that his accomplishments and persona make him larger than life, but in the sport that made him relevant to the rest of the world, skeptics argue that he failed to achieve every time he reached the biggest stage. Were his early career victories over oldie-but-goodies Camacho, Chavez, Whitaker, and company enough to give him a free pass? Or does it expose a deeper sentiment echoed by a growing list of skeptics? Adding more drama to the equation is the fact that De La Hoya is now attempting to walk away on a high note by initiating action against one of two fighters who he greatly outweighs. Both Manny Pacquiao (currently fighting at lightweight - 135 lbs), and Ricky Hatton (currently fighting at jr. welterweight 140 lbs) are being courted for a potential showdown with the Goldenboy. Trouble is, Oscar De La Hoya hasn't fought at welterweight (147 lbs) in more than 7 years, and recent indication tells us that making that weight is not something easily done for him. Which means if he is able to make the catchweight of 150 lbs that he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr. at last year, Pacquiao would have to consider a near 15 lb increase, while Hatton would be near 10 lbs. Hatton has proven to us on multiple occassions that the extra 7 lbs that bring him closer to the welterweight limit is not in his best interest, resulting in very sluggish performances; While Pacquiao hasn't even shown us how effective he can be at the lightweight level - 135 lbs. Skeptics have openly began to call out De La Hoya in an effort to ponder why he has chosen to pick on smaller men outside of his echelon when there are multiple in his own neighborhood that are potentially in higher demand. The Miguel Cotto/Antonio Margarito winner is an obvious choice which there is a strong possibility that fight could be made. Other potential candidates include Winky Wright at middleweight, or as odd as it seems, a fight that would be an instant smash but has never been openly discussed, Kelly Pavlik - the sports quickest rising star who only resides 6 pounds north of Oscar's current weight class. If Oscar expects guys to come up 15 plus pounds to face him, surely he should be willing to go up a few pounds to face a reputable contender. But for some reason it hasn't worked that way. And as a result, the skeptics continue to talk out loud.

Oscar De La Hoya - (My Perspective): I think it's very hard to overlook the accomplishments of someone who most can argue has single-handedly kept the sport alive in the post-Mike Tyson era. Yeah, we've seen Floyd Mayweather Jr. elevate himself to major stratospheres globally, but only Oscar has sustained this effort. Despite the trail of losses to his most recent quality opposition, one thing about Oscar, he brings it every fight and even in the ones he lost, there's never been a fight where he didn't remain firmly within a shot of victory, with the exception of the Hopkins KO. I do have an issue with him barking out names of fighters who stand so much smaller than him, but if this is gonna be the guys last hurrah, if the demand to see the fight is there, fight fans probably need to let those two fighters entertain us, and if it comes down to it, let the journalist and boxing scribes out there brew the inevitable beverage of debate. Truth is, no one really wanted to see a Mayweather/De La Hoya rematch, and in a strange way, we now don't have to worry about it. Now that the way has been cleared, people have to realize that this will be the last mega payday for the Goldenboy and his best chance of landing anything close comes against a global star like either Pacquiao or Hatton, not the two men who would probably make for the best competition - Margarito or Cotto. Most would find it a problem that Oscar is choosing money over competiton, but those that do are fans, and I'm afraid Oscar's a businessman. The decision may not be the best for the average fan, but an avid businessman pulls that trigger all day long. This move didn't work too well for Floyd Mayweather, but if there's anyone who can get away with it, it's the guy that gathered us all here today! So in the end, fans have two options: Find something else to watch if it comes down to a fight with the little guys, or drop your ducketts in the bucket and watch the sports last walking billboard dwindle to a mere footnote in history. Win, lose, or draw, his presence in the ring will never happen again. But of course, this is all just my opinion. Now the time has come to hear yours.....
 
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EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MACKIE SHILSTONE

By Krishen Rangi

Is nutrition a bigger issue for big fighters than little ones since little ones starve themselves to make weight? Muscle is performance weight. As you lose muscle weight you compromise your immune system. I don't like to take on an athlete who has to lose muscle. You compromise your energy. You lose your muscle glycogen. Glycogen deplete athletes will tell you (afterwards) they knew the shot was there, they just couldn't make it happen.


Haye versus Klitschko is a big man versus a very big man. Haye naturally walks around at 220, but fights at 200. Klitschko walks around probably at 250. How would Haye maintain his speed putting on weight to fight at 220, and how would his speed, agility, and movement be affected?

You know it may not. If he adjusts his body composition it may be an advantage. At cruiserweight you're already having a sub heading of heavyweight. It depends how high he's moving up. You don't have to be as big as Klitschko to beat Klitscko as long as you're a powerful puncher. Klitschko doesn't have great balance. He tends to reach and lean. To be a powerful human being you don't have to be big. The issue is how quickly you can deliver your strength. When you're talking about Klitschko he's kind of a sitting duck. When you're moving up to face him you want to be mobile. You want to come at him at 45 degree angles, then he's not as mobile. Right now there are not a lot of great heavywights to pick from. The talent level is not what it was. If you take Klitschko when I had Bowe, Bowe would have destroyed him. Bowe was light on his feet and he was quick. But Klitschko is a very smart man. He has a doctorate in sports science. Every rung you move up they tend to punch harder. I've worked with the Riddick Bowes, a big guy who beat Holyfield who weighed 205. Yet you can see Holyfield moved up and beat bigger guys. So it's a matter of utilizing your ability to generate power. What you don't want to sacrifice is your handspeed. Michael Spinks was outweighed by 35 lbs when he beat Larry Holmes and he beat him, and against Cooney he was down by 55 lbs and he beat him. Whatever your competitive advantage you want to maintain that, you want to empahsize it. The bigest mistake fighters make changing weights is they try to become something else.


What happens if the weight is not added right?

Well number one if you don't put it on properly it goes in the abs, you don't rotate well. Boxing is all about rotaion. Your power comes from the roatation. Number two you end up puting on fat. Fat is something you carry around. Muscle is somthing that carries you around. Another thing that happens is they resmeble bodybuilders. There are a whole lot of variables. I've been very lucky I've worked with great fighters. The main thing is to never compromise the attributes that made them great prior. When Hopkins fought Tarver we actually early on built Bernard up to 183, and eventually to 185. We got him accustomed to fighting in the 183-185 range. We got it to keep him there. As the training went we slowly came down the Sunday before the fight. We came down to 179 that Sunday after the sparring. From 179 he slowly came down. He still ate 3 meals a day. His body rebounded at 182 (after the weigh-in).


How much of an issue is a fighter moving up taking the naturally bigger guy's shots. What have Spinks, Jones, Hopkins, guys like that said about their ability to absorb punches at higher weights?

I don't know of any fighter in the business of taking punches. Depends on the fighter if he has the power to take the punches. It's as much mental as it is physical. In the Jones/Ruiz fight we wanted to break his nose, that was the plan. We knew Ruiz had broken his nose in the Holyfield fight, and Roy broke his nose in the 6th round. He couldnt breathe out of it after that.


What happened to Roy Jones when he went back down to light-heavyweight to fight Tarver after you had helped him move up and beat Ruiz for the heavyweight title?

You have to remember Roy is such a talented athlete. The muscle that was put on is very difficult to take off. It was a very tough fight. Draining to anyone but he ended up winning. The same thing happended to Tarver when he did the Rocky movie. He was in the 220s then he came down and he was compromised against Bernard. I would have liked to see Roy stay at heavyweight, and I told him that. I think Roy would have beaten Tyson. I think Roy would have beaten Holyfield, but the fights weren't there. Muscle is not easy to take off, it affects your immune system.


How much did Roy weigh for the Ruiz fight?

200 lbs.


There was a story circulating he had weights in his pocket and he really weighed 193.

Before we went down for the weigh-in we were all kidding what Roy would weigh. Roy had been in the range of 199-200. What happned was Roy got on the scale and a fight broke out between Alton Merkerson and Ruiz's camp. Mark Ratner who was doing the weigh-in never let the scale adjust because the fight had broke out. I know Mark, and told him that's not his weight you should correct it. When Roy went to the hotel room and got on the scale he was laughing and saying "I can't believe it". He takes his shirt off and steps on the scale, and this is on the documentary ESPN did called "The Sweet Science". Mark Ratner was there too. I told him to call HBO so they wouldn't think it was rebound weight and they mentioned that on the broadcast.


Were you with Spinks for the Tyson fight?

I was there with him. It was basically a body shot that put Michael down. It wasn't a head shot. Tyson was the epitome of power. Short tight blows where he did not extend his arms. Very tight arms, very short range. Delivered at very short range. Tyson got in close to you so he could rotate.


The best punches are short?

If you extend your arm it's not as powerful as if you have leverage on it.


You've been very successful implementing your methods in maximizing performance. But there really is a lot to boxing that goes beyond really easy explanation.

It takes a unique person to be a boxer. Heavyweight lineage is unlike anything. MMA will never apporach the art of boxing. The art of boxing requires that individual to have a bigger focus, believe in a higher power. It is very close to non-heroic war, basically a theater. It is controlled violence, basically just a Geneva convention. It's basically life: euphoria, pain, fear, happiness, anguish. You live them through the course of the rounds. Boxing taught me more than any other sport I have worked with.


What did Hopkins say after the Calzaghe fight? Is he going to fight again?

I don't know if he is. I thought that third judge was an amateur, he came from the amateurs and that's the scoring system he used. You don't take a title from someone on a split decision. I think boxing wanted Bernard out. They want to see Calzaghe fight Roy Jones. I can tell you Calzaghe didn't scathe Bernard. The ring was littered with blood and it was all Calzaghe's. I think Bernard broke his nose. There was a knockdown in the first round. Also if you look at the two low blows, one of them actually knocked Bernard's cup out of place. Boxing wanted Bernard out. If you look at Calzaghe he fights like an amateur, he just touches you. Enzo Calzaghe came up to Freddy Roach to congratuatle him after the fight because he thought Hopkins had won.


How would you improve a fighter who doesn't want to move up or down in weight, just wants to maximize what they have?

Richard Schaeffer approached me through Bernard to talk about me coming in for Oscar De la Hoya for the (upcoming) Mayweather fight. Basically what I do now after 25 years is if there is a particular challenge I come in as a special consultant. We do these sophisticated analysis, we do CAT scans, we check their heart rates, custom design eating plans.


Who are the fighters you admire?

If I was going to paint the ulitimate fighter I'd probably have the heart of Spinks...the ones I've had...discipline of Hopkins, overall athleticism of Roy Jones Jr, joviality of Riddick Bowe. Even though he was a pain he had us laughing all the time
 
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Good shit... MMA is wack with all the rules.... back in '96 it was tight
woah, someone agrees with me. I used to love MMA back then because it truly was a mixed martial arts. 400 pound Sumo vs 170 pound kick boxer. Shit like that was tight.

I know now these guys are better athletes, but everyone trains to be the same well-rounded fighter - good striking, good ground work, etc. Not as tight as the old days.....
 
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The proposed October 18 superfight between WBC/WBA/WBO super middleweight champ Joe Calzaghe and WBC/WBO middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik appears to be off. "I think it's unlikely," Calzaghe told the South Wales Argus. "I'm not sure if Pavlik really wants to face me at the moment. He would have little to gain because I believe I would definitely beat him and, with respect to Gary Lockett, I would be a step-up too far for Pavlik." Calzaghe called a clash with Roy Jones Jr. "the right fight for me at the moment."


* You know, I can't really knock Calzaghe for this. He's the only one that can talk like that. No "ducking" comments from me. He very well could beat Pavlik, and I wouldn't be shocked one bit. I mean, this is Joe Calzaghe we are talking about here. Sure RJJ is easier fight, but I don't think Pav can step up like this. Take on Kessler first. His comments have dodging written all over it, but comming from Calzaghe...as far as I am concerned he is the best out there. In all seriousness he can turn it into another Lacy slaughter. What do you guys think?

Oh, and MMA? Ha, I rather not stir things up but since this is a boxing thread. MMA has always been a bullshit sport. Always will be, for another good 10 years. Then we will see some quality fights. People have to be born into it and raised on it. Machida, GSP, Silva, are class acts. In 10 or 15 years, the division will be flooded with good competition. Until then, you will have the handfull of true martial artists fighting street kids. The 3 names I named above are examples, there are more I could name, but just trying to get the point across. The MMA circle is about 5% pure talent and 95% of people just trying to earn a living by throwing hands and taking a couple months of sprawl training.
 
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* You know, I can't really knock Calzaghe for this. He's the only one that can talk like that. No "ducking" comments from me. He very well could beat Pavlik, and I wouldn't be shocked one bit. I mean, this is Joe Calzaghe we are talking about here. Sure RJJ is easier fight, but I don't think Pav can step up like this. Take on Kessler first. His comments have dodging written all over it, but comming from Calzaghe...as far as I am concerned he is the best out there. In all seriousness he can turn it into another Lacy slaughter. What do you guys think?
Yeah I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you when you said a Pavlik fight could turn into another Jeff Lacy. No disrespect to Lacy, but he was a prospect, an overrated prospect at that who was pretty one dimensional. Joe looked phenomenal that night, but he hasn't looked good since, maybe he got older, i dunno. He looked like absolute shit against hopkins, who knocked joe down and hopkins hasn't been known for his power in 7 years or so. And the kessler fight I thought was a bore, Kessler proved to be pretty one dimensional himself and Joe exploited that pretty easily. I think Kelly is a better fighter than both Kessler and Lacy, not to mention he has more power. I agree that Joe could possibly win this fight, but if he does it's not going to be pretty, and it's not going to be because he hurt Pavlik, more so of his amerature style of fighting throwing lots of insignificant punches that can impress judges.

I think kelly will walk right through his punches, look at this shit:

Should pavlik be afraid of these punches?

Calzaghe taking the Jones fight is a joke man. Look, he was protected his entire career and didn't step up until two years ago or whatever when he fought Lacy. Then fights Kessler, his one real test on his resume, fights 43 year old bernard hopkins and gets a split decision and now 40 year old Roy Jones, who is the same guy that Joe said 6 or 7 years ago is the "one guy" that he never wanted to fight. It's pathetic, imo that he waits till jones is 40 and has been knocked the fuck out twice. If he wants a big payday, sure take Jones, although I serously doubt it would be that much more than fighting pavlik, but if he wants to prove something and be respected fight pavlik
 
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Yeah I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you when you said a Pavlik fight could turn into another Jeff Lacy. No disrespect to Lacy, but he was a prospect, an overrated prospect at that who was pretty one dimensional. Joe looked phenomenal that night, but he hasn't looked good since, maybe he got older, i dunno. He looked like absolute shit against hopkins, who knocked joe down and hopkins hasn't been known for his power in 7 years or so. And the kessler fight I thought was a bore, Kessler proved to be pretty one dimensional himself and Joe exploited that pretty easily. I think Kelly is a better fighter than both Kessler and Lacy, not to mention he has more power. I agree that Joe could possibly win this fight, but if he does it's not going to be pretty, and it's not going to be because he hurt Pavlik, more so of his amerature style of fighting throwing lots of insignificant punches that can impress judges.

I think kelly will walk right through his punches, look at this shit:

Should pavlik be afraid of these punches?

Calzaghe taking the Jones fight is a joke man. Look, he was protected his entire career and didn't step up until two years ago or whatever when he fought Lacy. Then fights Kessler, his one real test on his resume, fights 43 year old bernard hopkins and gets a split decision and now 40 year old Roy Jones, who is the same guy that Joe said 6 or 7 years ago is the "one guy" that he never wanted to fight. It's pathetic, imo that he waits till jones is 40 and has been knocked the fuck out twice. If he wants a big payday, sure take Jones, although I serously doubt it would be that much more than fighting pavlik, but if he wants to prove something and be respected fight pavlik
If this goes down I'm taking kelly with an 8rd ko
 
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@naner, you hear about another Cuban boxer turning pro?

Former amateur boxing world champ Lara signs with German promoter




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HAMBURG, Germany — Former amateur world champion Erislandy Lara has signed with a German promoter, a year after he and another boxer deserted the Cuban team at the Pan American Games.

Arena Box Promotion said Thursday the 2005 welterweight champion arrived in Hamburg after fleeing Cuba on a speedboat to Mexico, where he received papers to legally enter Germany.

"I'm very happy to be in Germany - it's a great feeling," said Lara, who arrived on Wednesday.

Lara and Guillermo Rigondeaux, a double Olympic champion, disappeared from the Pan American Games in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in July. Arena claimed they signed contracts and the German Embassy reported both had applied for visas.

The two boxers insisted they had not tried to defect. Both, however, were banned from competing for Cuba again and neither was named to the country's Olympic team for Beijing.

Lara is the fourth top Cuban boxer to sign with Arena, joining heavyweight contender Odlanier Solis, Yuriorkis Gamboa and Yan Barthelemy. Rigondeaux is still in Cuba.

Lara is slated to make his professional debut in Istanbul on July 4.

"Lara is a jewel," Arena boss Ahmet Oner said. "I'm sure he can make a fast adjustment."
 
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If the Calzaghe/Jones fight is taking place in the UK then it probably will be much more money. Calzaghe can draw a ridiculous crowd out there as shown by the Calzaghe vs Kessler fight that had about 50,000 (I think) fans show up. I'd much rather see Pavlik vs. Calzaghe but I can't knock someone for taking a big money fight.

Boxing Vs. MMA is a silly arguement IMO. Maybe it's because I like both but for the most part I don't think they share the same fanbase to compete against each other anyway. I've honestly only met folks online that actually watch/follow both and most people I fuck with in real life only fuck with one or the other.
 
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@naner, you hear about another Cuban boxer turning pro?

Former amateur boxing world champ Lara signs with German promoter




22 hours ago

HAMBURG, Germany — Former amateur world champion Erislandy Lara has signed with a German promoter, a year after he and another boxer deserted the Cuban team at the Pan American Games.

Arena Box Promotion said Thursday the 2005 welterweight champion arrived in Hamburg after fleeing Cuba on a speedboat to Mexico, where he received papers to legally enter Germany.

"I'm very happy to be in Germany - it's a great feeling," said Lara, who arrived on Wednesday.

Lara and Guillermo Rigondeaux, a double Olympic champion, disappeared from the Pan American Games in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in July. Arena claimed they signed contracts and the German Embassy reported both had applied for visas.

The two boxers insisted they had not tried to defect. Both, however, were banned from competing for Cuba again and neither was named to the country's Olympic team for Beijing.

Lara is the fourth top Cuban boxer to sign with Arena, joining heavyweight contender Odlanier Solis, Yuriorkis Gamboa and Yan Barthelemy. Rigondeaux is still in Cuba.

Lara is slated to make his professional debut in Istanbul on July 4.

"Lara is a jewel," Arena boss Ahmet Oner said. "I'm sure he can make a fast adjustment."
Good shit man, I hadn't heard anything about that until now. The last fighter I've heard of going pro, and I haven't been able to see him fight yet, is Mike Perez. I hear he's a slick southpaw though and I saw a small clip of him fighting when I watched the Macklin/Campas card.

I wish he would've kept his original name to box, for some reason I can't stand when folks americanize their names.