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Aug 31, 2003
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Louis was amazing, I think the second best HW ever, but I just think pound 4 pound top ten...maybe he's not quite in that list. IMO, throughout history, it's very, very rare when a HW fighter is as good as the lower weight class guys. Ali is one of them.

I mean you have sugar ray robinson, armstrong, sam langford, pep, sugar ray leonard, duran, archie moore, greb, burley, ezzard charles, joe gans and many others. I dunno, maybe I just don't hold heavyweights the same way I do to everyone else. Again I'm no historian, but I've watched what I can of many old school fighters and some of these guys were just phenomenal and then you look at their records, who they fought, who were scared of fighting them, etc. I just personally wouldn't put any heavyweight above any of these guys besides Ali and even then I think he's in the bottom half of the top 10.

It's all subjective anyway, but always fun to talk about.

And one last thing...yes Louis has the record title defenses but keep in mind both Calzaghe & Ottke had 21 title defenses and obviously their reigns were not impressive in the least.

Remember the bum of the month? Louis fought some pretty shitty opponents, 13 in fact in 29 months.

And then getting floored buy guys like Tony two ton Golento that's kinda embarrassing lol
Yeah I probably wouldn't rank him in my all time top 10 even though I don't really make lists like that, just saying I'm not a fan of quality of opposition type of arguments especially when it comes to a fighter as fantastic as Joe Louis. The amount of HOFers in some of Willie Pep's win streaks in between losses is more than most top fighters have ever fought in their careers, he should make more lists top 10 all time lists than he does.
 
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Andre Berto Denies Use of Any Banned Substances, Investigation Underway Regarding Cause of Positive Test

Los Angeles (May 18, 2012) - Andre Berto was recently advised that he has tested positive for low levels of 19-norandrosterone, a metabolite of nandrolone or nandrolone precursors. So far, neither Andre Berto nor his lawyer have been provided with any laboratory documentation other than a 1-page, summary report of the laboratory's findings. Mr. Berto's lawyer has requested the complete laboratory documentation package, including all chain of custody documentation and scientific data supporting the laboratory's summary report.

Mr. Berto issued this statement:

“At the present time, I cannot explain the positive drug test, which was provided as part of a voluntary anti-doping program in which I agreed to participate. I know that I have never used any steroids or other banned substances, and I am investigating all possible causes of the positive test with my attorney Howard Jacobs. I have never cheated, and all of my success has come from hard work and dedication.”
 
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WBC Threatens To Take Action Against Anyone Involved in Haye-Chisora fight; WBA and WBO Approve The Bout

By James Slater - It’s the heavyweight fight of the year that everyone is talking about……..for all the wrong reasons. Due to the enormous amount of controversy the fight between David Haye and Dereck Chisora has caused (the fight set for July 14th in London, a reported 20,000 tix already sold), everyone has an opinion on it: should it happen? Is it bad for boxing? Has the power of The BBB of C been permanently undermined due to the fight being allowed to go ahead (with sanctioning provided by The Luxemburg commission, even through the fight will take place in the U.K)?

Well, President Don Jose of the WBC sure has his opinion on the upcoming fight, and “humble servant of boxing” Sulaiman ain’t happy. The ruler of the WBC has vowed to remove licences from everyone involved in the fight (if it happens, and there is still a chance, albeit a small one, that it could fall apart) - including U.K promoter Frank Warren.

However, as has been reported by a number of sources, the WBA and the WBO will sanction the fight; with two minor titles, one from each rival organisation, being on the line in the all-London fight.

Of course, Warren is not going to take any of this lying down, and he has already written strongly-worded letters to the BBB of C, who have also threatened to take action if the bout goes ahead. Warren insists he has done, and is doing, nothing wrong. The WBC has now added to the whole controversial mess.

From a pure fan standpoint, Haye-Chisora is a fight that will be a big deal throughout Europe, but not in the U.S. Haye says he wants to face WBC king Vitali Klitschko after he’s taken care of “Del Boy,” but no way will the WBC allow this to happen. Nor will the organisation allow Chisora to fight for their heavyweight title. Maybe the winner will get a crack at the “regular” WBA title - with “regular” WBA heavyweight champ Alexander Povetkin set to defend his almost meaningless “world” title on the London card against Hasim Rahman.

If this proves to be the case, however, yet more scorn will be poured on Haye or Chisora. Basically, July 14th’s fight is a decent match-up between two British contenders - a fight that has attracted so many headlines simply due to a ton of controversy; controversy which began back in February, when two pro athletes behaved like thugs at a post-fight press conference in Munich, Germany.
 
May 13, 2002
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Victor Conte said Berto admitted to him he took stuff from someone that wasn't him, I'm sure Conte is trying to cover himself here too though
yeah but the thing that doesn't make sense is Conte started VADA. he's the one that made it. he's bashed numerous people who wont do additional testing and he told berto to sign for VADA testing and encouraged him to demand Victor Ortiz does as well. so it wouldn't make any sense for conte to have a fighter he's working with to take some shit that's detected by a simple urine test.

it really could be an accident, but unfortunately for berto the damage is done.

I also don't see too many people using VADA in the future. I'm sure this will scare some guys away who take legal substances. two guys in less than a month who both requested vada testing came up dirty.
 
Jul 21, 2002
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I'm saying that Conte is saying that Berto took something that Conte wasn't giving him which is why he tested positive. Conte trying to clear his name basically. One slip up and people will drop Conte quick I'm sure.

I think fighters will push for VADA if they know their clean unless there is some suspicion that they aren't producing legit results with false positives or something
 
May 13, 2002
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well I'm guessing berto thought he was clean.

but yeah I'm sure this hurts conte too. we'll see what Ward, Donaire, Judah, chambers and Rios do, if they stay put or not.

Ariza is available lol. he got fired by khan, then chavez and rumor is pac too or at least after the fight.
 
Jul 21, 2002
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I'm surprised Ariza is still around after Pac supposedly cramping in his last 2 fights. That should fall directly on Ariza's shoulders you would think if it were true. I didn't know he got fired by Khan.

I also didn't realize that Ariza was in Diego Corrales' corner for the Floyd Mayweather fight. I didn't know he'd been involved in boxing that long
 
Jul 24, 2005
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Allan Green: “The moment Mikkel Kessler feels my power, the first time he gets hit by a big strong guy like me, we’ll see how he reacts!”

by Geoffrey Ciani (Exclusive Interview by Jenna J & Geoffrey Ciani) - The most recent edition of On the Ropes Boxing Radio featured an exclusive interview with light heavyweight contender Allan Green (31-3, 21 KOs) who is taking on former super middleweight champion Mikkel Kessler (44-2, 33 KOs) tonight in Copenhagen, Denmark. Green shared his views on the Kessler bout and also spoke about his career. Additionally he provided opinions on various aspects of the current boxing landscape including Chad Dawson’s recent victory over Bernard Hopkins, and Dawson’s upcoming fight against Andre Ward. Here is what Green had to say:

His views on his upcoming fight against Mikkel Kessler:

“I’m feeling pretty good. You know I have been training and stuff over here. I’ve been feeling pretty good. I feel strong. My weight is where I need to be so I’m ready.”

Regarding the fact that he was originally supposed to meet Kessler in Group Stage 3 of the Super Six before Kessler pulled out with vision concerns:

“You know I have no malice towards him or anything like that. I wasn’t hard up to fight him because of that. I’m just happy I’m fighting, I’m happy I’m back in the ring, I’m happy it’s against an opponent like Mikkel Kessler, and I’m looking forward to winning.”

On what he believes a victory against Kessler will do for him at this stage of his career:

“It will do a lot. It will put me either back where I was or above that. It should wash away most of my ignominious performance in the Super Six Tournament. You know I don’t have to lose all the weight to make weight. I don’t have to go in the ring weak. So I can go in and pretty much be myself.”

Regarding the fact he has prior experience fighting at 175 while Kessler does not:

“Let’s clarify that! The fight is taking place at 172 because Kessler didn’t want to do 175! He’s parading around like this fight is at a full-fledged 175, but no it’s not! It’s at 172.”

On his most recent fight which was a close victory against Sebastian Demers:

“It wasn’t a close fight. I won a unanimous decision, but I took that fight on fairly short notice. I wasn’t really prepared for that fight. I didn’t really expect the fight to happen. I didn’t feel good, I didn’t feel strong, but I still came away with a win.”

His views on Kessler’s style as a boxer:

“His style’s not that tough. I mean he’s pretty straight up and down European, no special effects. He has a good 1-2, not a lot of head movement. I’m not saying he’s an easy fighter, but he really doesn’t have a tough style to deal with. I mean I know he’s in shape. He’s an in shape guy and he stays busy. That will probably be the hardest thing to deal with. But basically I just have to work on being myself, working on doing what I can do when I’m physically near my peak, when I’m physically feeling good, when I’m not weight drained or walking into the ring weak at 40%. You know I’m just working on being myself.”

On what he feels will be his biggest advantage against Kessler:

“Speed and power. I mean people can say size, but speed and power definitely. Like I said I was raised more so in the American scene of boxing. So we have a lot of options and we a lot of tricks up our sleeves. He really doesn’t have many, but we have a lot of different avenues we can take as far going on to win this fight.”

On what things he may have learned from Kessler’s two losses to Andre Ward and Joe Calzaghe:

“Of course I’ll take a little bit. I mean even though Joe Calzaghe is from the UK he fights with more of an American style of fighting, just as Andre Ward is from America and fights with more of an American style of fighting. Like I said I’ll just have to be basic but not very basic. I’ll have to give Mikkel Kessler different looks. I mean I’m the better athlete so I’ll have to take advantage of my athleticism and using speed and a lot of feinting. I’ll just do different things to him to offset him, and then on top of that he still has to deal with my power.”

His views on why Kessler decided to move up now to face him when Kessler previously stated he had no intentions of fighting north of 168:

“I think he still can make 168. I think this was just available to him right now. I don’t think there was very many meaningful fights that he wanted right now. Maybe all of the fights are booked up that he wanted at 68 right now. I don’t know. I’m not Mikkel Kessler, but that’s just my own assumption. I’m pretty sure he can still make 168. He’s not a very big guy.”

His views on Chad Dawson’s recent victory against Bernard Hopkins:

“It was pretty much what I expected. You know Bernard was a great champion. He’s a great fighter. His best days are behind him. Hopefully that’s it for him. I expected Chad to win. I expected Bernard to be past it, and it seemed like he was trying to mount an attack but I think he was doing more posturing than actually fighting. So I think Chad is the man at 175 right now.”

His views on Chad Dawson versus Andre Ward and whether he believes fighting at 168 will make a big difference:

“Yes there’s a big difference. I think Dawson is pretty much my size. He shouldn’t be trying to fight at 168. I don’t think that’s a good idea for him to do. If it happened at 175, a weight they’re both comfortable at, it’s a very interesting fight. Ward’s a very smart fighter. It’s hard to say. It’s very hard to say who would win that fight.”

On who he is potentially targeting if he can secure a victory against Kessler:

“If I had my own path to choose, if a guy like Dawson, or Cloud, or Shumenov were available I would take one of them, but if not I’d fight Gabriel Campillo. I’d fight him. I want a meaningful fight. I don’t want to go back to just fighting whoever. I would love a Dawson, or a Cloud, or a Shumenov. If those guys aren’t available then I’ll take Gabriel Campillo.”

On what he believes will most surprise fans when he steps in against Kessler:

“Just everything! My slickness, my athleticism, my defense! They’ll see an Allan Green they haven’t seen probably since, I mean if they watched a lot of my earlier fights at 175 they’ll see a lot of flashes of that and some of my earlier fights at 168. They’ll be surprised by how easily I handle a lot of things that Kessler brings.”

Regarding his reflections on the Super Six now that the tournament is complete:

“For me, for myself from my personal view, it was quite an experience being a part of history. But obviously if you look back with hindsight you say hey when you fought Ward man you couldn’t make the weight. Why did you continue on? I wanted to be a man and honor my contract, and yadda, yadda, yadda. But I think it was good for boxing. I think Andre Ward did an excellent job, I think Carl Froch did an excellent job, and I wish them both the best.”

On whether he believes Ward is better off staying at 168 at present time:

“I think he should stay at 168. I think he still has Bute. He still has a little bit of business that can be taken care of there. I don’t think his decision to go up should be pressured by a challenge. When he says he wants to go up to 175 then he should go up, but I don’t think he should necessarily be pressured by a challenge if that wasn’t his decision in the beginning.”

His official prediction for his fight against Kessler:

“My prediction is that I’ll win. I can’t really expand and get into details. I know what I feel like is going to happen. I mean it will be victory, but my prediction is that I’ll win the fight. I’ll win it handily.”

On what fans can expect from this fight:

“They can expect a very good fight. They can expect me to win the fight in dominating fashion. They can expect me to dominate Mikkel Kessler. They can expect me at my best and they can expect him at his best. Like I said I have a lot of options. I have a lot of tricks up my sleeve. A lot of people want to put me in a box and say well can Allan deal with what Kessler has. Kessler’s never fought anyone like me. The question is can he deal with what I have. I’m fast, and I hit hard, and I’m going to give him a lot of different looks. So the moment he deals with my speed, the moment Mikkel Kessler feels my power, the first time he gets hit by a big strong guy like me, we’ll see how he reacts! I have never known it to be in his character to do a lot of trash talking, but for whatever reason he’s been doing it. I don’t know if he’s fearful or something, or trying to convince himself. I don’t understand what’s going on, but listening to him and talk and the things he’s saying. I’ve been watching Mikkel Kessler for years. He’s not really been one to talk trash but he’s doing it now. I don’t know who he thinks I am. I’m not Mehdi Bouadla the last guy who gave him hell for about six or seven rounds. I’m not him. You’re fighting a live guy. You’re fighting a real fighter. So he’ll have to put up or shut up on May 19.”
 
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If Berto Is Out For June 23rd, Who Should Ortiz Fight Instead? How About Marcos Maidana!

By James Slater: As fans have surely read by now, former WBC welterweight champ Andre Berto failed a recent random drugs test, coming up positive for norandrosterone, and his scheduled June 23rd rematch with Victor Ortiz is now in serious doubt.

Ringtv.com reports how Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer is already talking with Showtime, trying to find a late replacement foe for Ortiz should one be needed (Berto will plead his case before the California State Athletic Commission, and that body alone will decide if he can fight as planned).

So, with us presuming for now that Berto is indeed out, who would make a great replacement opponent for the June 23rd bout set to go down at The Staples Centre in L.A? I don’t know about you, but one name instantly springs out at me: that of Marcos Maidana.

Argentine banger Maidana, now being trained by Robert Garcia in Oxnard, fought a terrific war with Ortiz back in June of 2009 - the interim WBA 140-pound title clash resulting in Ortiz’ first real pro loss as well as that year’s FOTY. Both guys hit the mat in a sensational slugfest, before Ortiz disappointingly opted to quit. Ortiz was highly criticised for his actions, yet he later redeemed himself with the great win over Berto; where he again got up from the canvas, this time to get a win.

Maidana may not have had any real success as a welterweight (he lost his last fight, at the weight, to Devon Alexander in February) but I’m sure the fans would buy an Ortiz-Maidana II at 147, simply because the first fight was so special. I’m equally convinced Maidana, 31-3(28) would have an excellent shot at beating Ortiz for a second time, despite fighting him at the higher weight. And, if he wants to further solidify his reputation (which suffered somewhat after his crazy actions on the Floyd Mayweather fight last September),why wouldn’t Ortiz, 29-3-2(22) want to get it on with Maidana again?

Really, I can’t think of a better, more exciting, more sellable, more sensible late replace foe for Ortiz than Maidana. Fans who got their money’s worth and then some in June of 2009 would almost certainly go home happy if a part-two took place. Who knows (maybe we will never know), maybe an Ortiz-Maidana II would be an even better fight than an Ortiz-Berto II?

Maidana is in shape, working on new things with Garcia, why wouldn’t he want the fight
 
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Boxing under Scrutiny over testing issues
May 19th, 2012

by Collie Moore: Boxing suffered another setback with the emergence of the news that Andre Berto has tested positive for the substance norandrosterone. The results of the urine test come just days after news of Lamont Peterson’s positive tests which led to the cancellation of his much-anticipated light-welterweight bout with Amir Khan.

Although details are sketchy, it seems very likely that Berto-Ortiz II will also be cancelled. The biggest loser in the situation however could be boxing, upon which more scrutiny and pressure will be now placed in what has been a controversial few months for the sport.

The use of banned substances is perhaps even more deplorable in combat sports, such as boxing, than in others, such as athletics or swimming, as a fighter’s health is on the line each time he steps into the ring against his opponent. If this opponent has taken performing-enhancing substances, it isn’t just winning or losing that may be on the line, as injuries can and do occur. Yet boxing seems to hold quite a relaxed stance on drug-testing: the two latest positive results were from voluntary tests. While this in one sense adds to the mystery to their outcome, it begs the question as to why such tests are not compulsory. Floyd Mayweather’s campaign to ‘clean up’ the sport seems more admirable in the wake of the recent revelations, although in Mayweather’s case there was no evidence that Pacquiao had taken performance enhancing substances. The issue in relation to that potential super-fight remains controversial.

Highly-rated 28 year old Berto claims he does not know how the tests came back positive. ‘I know that I have never used any steroids or other banned substances… I have never cheated, and all my success comes from hard work and dedication.’ Some suspect unintentional trace contamination, but maybe only Berto himself will ever know the truth of his claim of innocence.

It is yet to be seen how boxing will react to these setbacks. In what ironically could be seen as a positive twist, boxing commissions now have the opportunity to be seen to take action and potentially implement new polices such as compulsory testing and monitoring more closely substance intake by boxers. Even though boxing is in no means stranger to controversy, if action is not taken, the integrity of the sport into the future will be in serious doubt.

Attention will now turn to Victor Ortiz, who hasn’t stepped between the ropes since his controversial loss to Floyd Mayweather last year. Luckily, there is still time for him to find a replacement and the exciting prospect of Khan-Ortiz may now be whispered about. Such a fight would be a big money-spinner as both men are well-known but Ortiz would represent a difficult first bout in the welterweight division for the Bolton star. The date of a bout between the pair may also be one of many stumbling blocks. Devon Alexander is a possibility for either fighter at a time when many names in the quality-filled welterweight division are tied up for the near future.
 
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Golden Boy working on a replacement opponent for Berto to fight Ortiz
May 18th, 2012

By Dan Ambrose: According to Dan Rafael of ESPN, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer isn’t cancelling the June 23rd fight card at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, California after Andre Berto’s positive test results for a banned substance Nandrolone earlier today.

Berto was supposed to be fighting Victor Ortiz in a rematch on June 23rd, but now Schaefer is going to be working to find a replacement just in case Berto isn’t permitted to take the fight.

Schaefer said to Rafael “I want to know what the origins of this are. I have been told that it could have been something to do with food contamination. But I’m not going to cancel the event.”

Good luck to Schaefer trying to find a replacement opponent that Showtime will agree to, because there’s probably not going to be much out there for Ortiz to fight at this short notice. There’s only a month to go before the fight. The positive side of this was that it wasn’t a title fight, meaning that they can pool from any of the sanctioning bodies to try and dig up a decent fighter. But it’s going to be tough to find someone that’s actually any good that will agree to fight a puncher like Ortiz with only a month’s notice.

Golden Boy can try and get one of their fighter Marcos Maidana to take the fight, but given the fact that he lost his last fight when he moved up to welterweight, I can’t see him agreeing to take the fight unless they waive an awful lot of money underneath Maidana’s nose. He simply doesn’t have the size to fight at welterweight, and it would be tough for him to be expected to take another fight at this weight rather than letting him defend his WBA light welterweight title.

Here are some of the fighters that could in theory replace Berto:

Marcos Maidana
Shane Mosley
Devon Alexander
Matthew Hatton
Thomas Dulorme
Erik Morales
Ed Parades
Jan Zaveck

I honestly don’t see Golden Boy getting Alexander, Mosley, Maidana, Dulorme, Morales or Zaveck at this short notice. They can get some of the lesser known contenders, but it won’t exactly wow Showtime or the fans that will be watching the fight as a main event.
 
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Kessler stops Green in four!

Parken, Copenhagen, Denmark

Mikkel Kessler KO 4 Allan Green
Erik Skoglund UD 8 Pablo Sosa
Simen Smaadal UD 4 Srdjan Mihajlovic
Mateusz Masternak UD 10 Hari Miles