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The dying star in Floyd Mayweather Jr.

By Babatis Banda: It is almost certain that the star is losing its sparkle. This young man is not known for brutally knocking out his opponents, he is not known for brutal strength and punching power and neither is he known for being a hero or role model, but a pure intelligent ring master. My belief is that Floyd, like any other aging fighter is losing the edge. Time does not wait for anybody and Floyd is soon to realize that he cannot remain in top form for ever.

The Floyd of yester year is certainly a different Floyd. He was hungry for success and as cocky as they can be. The difference was that he was cocky, and he backed up his cockiness with performance. People ought to realize that Floyd had to make a face for himself, by choosing to be the villain. Imagine a humble and timid Floyd……he would not have drawn enough following to catapult him into the best Pound for pound king he was for years until he went into self-imposed retirement.

The story now is different, Floyd has clearly made the most money in as few fights as can be imagined. He has become a successful business man and in short, a very wealthy young man. He is used to calling the shots and has always loved to be at the centre of attention. He is no longer the hungry fighter, he no longer sees risk as the way to the top….he was there and he did arrive. He is no longer driven by the hunger for success and is in the stage were attention is more important to him…recognition and power is what a young man in his situation is hungry for. For now, I see Floyd pre-occupied with seeking attention that shifted to Pacquiao back to himself, than really the love of the spot. If anything, I don’t think Floyd would fight Pacman for the money, but just for the glory. He would want to prove that he reigns supreme in the sport and that all must bow down to the king.

Whatever drives Floyd, he needs to be weary of time, and he clearly is not as busy in the ring as he once was. He has lost some of his footing too and even some of his reflexes. If Floyd waits any longer to get into the ring again, we may witness the sad ending of a dying star in one Floyd Mayweather Jnr. I do acknowledge though, that if he is at the best of his game…no body and I mean no body can beat him at the sacred dance in the squared circle.
 
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Arum predicts Pacquiao-Mosley will go over 1.2 million PPV buys

By Dan Ambrose:Top Rank promoter Bob Arum believes that when the final tally comes in by the end of this week, the Shane Mosley vs. Manny Pacquiao bout will bring in over 1.2 million pay per view buys. This would eclipse the 1.2 million PPV buys that Pacquiao’s last fight against Antonio Margarito brought in last year in November.

Despite being a noncompetitive bore, the Margarito vs. Pacquiao bout did very well in PPV terms. Arum thinks the Pacquiao vs. Mosley bout could bring in between 1.4 to 1.5 million PPV buys, thanks the heavy marketing on CBS due to Fight Camp 360 series being aired on the non-PPV network.

Many casual fans likely were excited about the fight after watching the Fight Camp 360 episodes and paid their $55 to see the fight, expecting it to be an exciting fight. What they got instead was a huge disappointment with Mosley unwilling to mix it up and Pacquiao looking sloppy, tired and old. It wasn’t the right fight to be trying to make a big impression on the boxing fans that are more in the dark about the sport, because they’re likely going to be disappointed in the fight and might not be so quick to throw away another $55 to see Pacquiao destroy another old guy. Fans want to see Pacquiao in competitive fights, not just in fights against in house fighters that have little chance of winning.

Arum is hoping that the Mosley vs. Pacquiao bout was going to be a move to get boxing fans shown on non-PPV television. The opportunity was there but it was wasted due to this poor fight.
 
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Marquez accepts offer to fight Pacquiao at a 144 pound catchweight

By Chris Williams: A third fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez drew a step closer on Tuesday when the 37-year-old Marquez agreed to Bob Arum’s offer to fight Pacquiao at a 144lb catchweight for $5 million plus an upside for the pay-per-view profits in a fight that will reportedly take place in November, provided that Golden Boy Promotions, Marquez’s old promoters, don’t match the offer.

The chances of that happening are slim, as Golden Boy doesn’t have a huge star near that weight class. Richard Schaefer, the CEO of Golden Boy, says he’s going to try and match Marquez with WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz. However, it’s hard to see HBO agreeing to pay Marquez huge money like $5 million to fight a guy like Ortiz, who is only now becoming a star. Still, Schaefer sounds confident that HBO will agree to it, saying in an article at the LA Times, “I’m sure HBO would be on board.” Schaefer wants the Marquez-Ortiz fight to take place on September 17th and plans on packaging the fight with a title defense for WBC junior middleweight champion Saul Alvarez.

Marquez has already faced Pacquiao twice before in 2004 and 2008 at featherweight and super featherweight. Pacquiao has moved up in weight to welterweight, and Marquez has only moved up slightly to the lightweight division. The 144 pound catchweight for the Marquez is a bit of a joke. It’s not really even a catchweight because Pacquiao fights at 145, so he’d have to lose 1 pound. Marquez would have to move up nine pounds to take the fight. It probably doesn’t matter because this fight – like the Shane Mosley bout – will likely be a fight that will pad Marquez’s retirement. It’s not going to be competitive with the fight being held at welterweight. If the bout took place at lightweight, Marquez would have a good chance of winning. But not at welterweight. The fight will be a more competitive version of Mosley over Pacquiao.

A third fight between Marquez and Pacquiao will clearly be a successful one in terms of drawing interest from fans and bringing in big PPV numbers. However, it’s going to be another disappointing fight for fans hoping to see Pacquiao in an exciting fight. Marquez is too small, too old and too far out of his weight class to win this bout. It’s sad that Pacquiao wasn’t at least willing to meet Marquez half way with a catchweight instead of budging only three pounds and asking Marquez to come up in weight nine pounds. Not very fair, is it?
 
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Why isn't Pac trying to fight Floyd? He has already fought Marquez and this will be a disadvantage for Marquez. Why do this? Why not sit down with Floyd and his people and say "Fuck it, I'm all in"?

Manny needs to step up on this one.
floyd isn't fighting this year and he's made that clear he's not doing boxing atm. (maybe after his court cases, i dunno)
 

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By Robert “Big Moe” Elmore: Manny Pacquiao’s career has been circumnavigated around several blockades and recently it has found its way to Top Rank Stable Avenue. No stopping at Gary Shaw’s Place, or Don King Avenue, or Main Events Road. Nope.

For several fights now, Pacquaio has avoided the main roads called “Fighters with footwork; Slick Boxer; Movement, Fast, Smart, Great Counter Puncher and has take the easier streets. Streets like Weight Drained, Come Straight Ahead, No Head or Lateral Movement. And my personal favorite, Cover Up All Night. When Mosley walked into Wild Card gym fresh off a win over Margarito, twice he given bus tickets and told to get lost.

In 2004, Pacquaio journeyed down Juan Manuel Marquez Parkway. The highway proved bumpy with Marquez solving the riddle of Manny’s straight left while countering Pac. The bout was a draw. Later in 2005, Pac rode on another dangerous highway; Erik Morales. Pac was completely out boxed and exposed even more. The immediate rematch offer by Morales was ignored opting to let Morales get his body jack hammered by Zahir Raheem and then Pac decided to fight him. Soon after the public filled the streets to see the Pac mobile cruise past a weight drained Oscar De La Hoya, a threatened to be stripped of his title if he didn’t fight at the 145 catch weight Miguel Cotto, Joshua “cover up” Clottey, and an unapologetic Antonio Margarito. But on May 7th, Manny’s uneventful trip down Shop Worn Avenue to see Shane Mosley has now forced him to go down one of the most dangerous highways in boxing; Floyd Mayweather Drive.

Like it or not, Floyd is most diversified fighter in the game. He has driven down many a highway and left them in ruins. For example, the road down Judah Junction had Floyd caught in a traffic jam for 3 or 4 rounds. But ignored the “reduced speed ahead” sign and stepped on the gas after the 4th round leaving Judah in the dust. Hatton’s style was supposed to shut Floyd down. Again, Mayweather made adjustments, wore his man down, and by the 7th round, Hatton’s punches had no snap on them. The Golden Boys yellow brick was supposed to trample Floyd and Oscar did everything in his power to get the upper hand. They got the smaller ring (that was supposed to limit Floyd’s footwork) It didn’t. Floyd was given 10 ounce heavyweight gloves (this was supposed to make his arms heavy and slow down his hand speed) It didn’t and compu box will tell this. Many thought the journey down Mosley’s Manor would be his most difficult challenge. Okay, so Shane scratched Mayweather’s ride a little bit. But by the end of the night, Shane’s pavement was wrecked and pot where every where.

FT: People look at Pac’s 52 wins and marvel and take no time at all to look at the opponents. Then look at Mayweather’s 41 wins and automatically discount him. I would take 41 wins knowing they were against different fighters with different styles, then 52 of the same type fighting style. Manny is not learning anything. Now the logical senses is going to be Mayweather waited till Pac lost a step or two then fight him. He could have taken some time off to heal his body, but chooses to fight. He hasn’t lost a step. HIS CHOICE of opponent wasn’t good, he was booed and now he’s simply trying to save face. If you noticed, the Pac has made an excuse was the Morales fight and his fight with Shane (if I missed one correct me). Now the tables have turned. People analysts are calling for Pac’s head a little bit more than Mayweathers. Pac can’t go down Bradley’s Broadway, or stop at Berto’s Place. It’s Mayweather Drive or bust for Pac.
Lol, Heresy, now you're understanding what we're saying huh.... What dude wrote is about as real as it gets.... this dude and Bigface pretty much said the samething.
 

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Why isn't Pac trying to fight Floyd? He has already fought Marquez and this will be a disadvantage for Marquez. Why do this? Why not sit down with Floyd and his people and say "Fuck it, I'm all in"?

Manny needs to step up on this one.
Now we're talkin' mayne. I know you have common sense bruh....

It's like this.... you see a shirt on sale right.... you have the money and opportunity to buy the shirt but pass and choose another shirt. A few months later you go back to that store looking for that shirt that was on sale (that you passed on) and now it's gone and ain't no tellin' when/if that shirt will ever come back.
 
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Mosley exposes Pacquiao’s flaws

By Chris Williams: The nearly 40-year-old Shane Mosley may have lost the fight to Manny Pacquiao last weekend, but he sure did a good job of exposing some painfully obvious flaws in Pacquiao’s game. Mosley, who isn’t really considered a great boxer, was able to fight defensively, making Pacquiao miss all night long and picking him off with a harmless jab. Mosley showed again and again how easy it is to hit Pacquiao with a jab and make him miss with his shots.

If Floyd Mayweather Jr. has seen the Pacquiao vs. Mosely fight, he will have no doubt discovered how hittable Pacquiao is and how poor he is at cutting off the ring. Pacquiao looked to be about the same age as Mosley in the fight, as neither of them looked quick on their feet. They basically looked like a couple of aging fighters plodding around the ring. Pacquiao is really slowing down.

The difference between Pacquiao in his last two fights compared to how he looked back in 2008 when he beat Oscar De La Hoya is shocking. The foot movement is gone and Pacquiao looks so much slower, even though he was only a few pounds heavier in the Mosley fight compared to the De La Hoya bout.

Pacquiao couldn’t catch up to Mosley for the most part, and that wasn’t because Mosley was quick on his feet. It was because Pacquiao is slowing down. He reminds me of great baseball player that can no longer cover a lot of territory in center field. Pacquiao couldn’t cut off the ring against Mosley because of his loss of movement. As such, Mosley was able to glide around, spearing Pacquiao with jabs at will. It was interesting to see Pacquiao blame it all on Mosley after the fight, making it seem as if Mosley was the one responsible for the fight being so dull because he wasn’t trying to make a fight of it. Sorry, but that’s not the reason why the fight was entirely dull. It was Pacquiao’s lack of lateral movement, his inability to cut off the ring and his slow plodding that made it possible for Mosley to move him around him with ease. Mosley exposed Pacquiao’s slowing footwork and it’s scary to think of what Mayweather would have done to Pacquiao had he been in there with him.

I think Pacquiao’s career can be prolonged another two or three years if they keep matching him against slower fighters and ones that are old and past their best. Pacquiao can keep winning against the right type of opponent. He’s planning on fighting 38-year-old Juan Manuel Marquez next after having faced Mosley, Antonio Margarito and Joshua Clottey in his last three fights. Marquez fits in nicely with that bunch. He should be slow enough for Pacquiao to win.
 
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Juan Manuel Marquez to fight David Diaz in a dangerous tune-up bout on 7/2

By Jason Kim: With a November mega fight with World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao pretty much in the bag now, WBA/WBO lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez (52-5-1, 38 KO’s) is slated to fight 34-year-old former IBF lightweight champion David Diaz (36-3-1, 17 KO’s) on July 2nd in a 12 round bout in Las Vegas, Nevada. The soon to be 38-year-old Marquez wants the tune-up bout to stay sharp for the Pacquiao fight.

However, the fight could prove to be a bad one for Marquez, as Diaz is a slugger and he could either make Marquez look his age or end up cutting him. A bad cut would almost surely cause Marquez’s November fight with Pacquiao to be cancelled. It might prove a costly fight for Marquez if he does face the fading Diaz. As things are, Diaz has lost two out of his last four fights and hasn’t exactly been the most active of fighters in the past three years.

Indeed, Diaz has fought only three times since being stopped by Pacquiao in the 9th round in June 2008. Diaz was able to beat Jesus Chavez in his next fight after the Pacquiao loss but then was soundly beaten by Humberto Soto in March 2010. Earlier this year, Diaz went life and death in beating the servicable Roberto Frankel in a narrow 10 round majority decision win in January 2011.

Marquez hasn’t fought since defeating the made to order Michael Katsidis last November by a 9th round stoppage. It was an easy win for Marquez, except that he was dropped in the 3rd round from a big left hook by Katsidis. That’s a not a good sign it shows that Marquez is getting older. Diaz could give Marquez a lot of problems and may hurt the Pacquiao fight if Marquez has to struggle to beat Diaz. The fight will likely be shown on HBO, so it isn’t like it’s going to be an invisible fight for boxing fans.
 
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I love Manny Pacquiao Too, But Don't Hate me Because I think Floyd Mayweather is #1

By Johnny Benz, Doghouse Boxing


Recently Ring Magazine dropped Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr. from their Top 10 pound for pound list over inactivity. I respect their decision, but as far as I am concerned it was the wrong move on their behalf. Until "Money" Mayweather says he is retired from Boxing, he should remain high on everyone's pound for pound list. No one should ever ignore the magnificent talent the "Money" Man has. As an active fighter (he hasn't retired) we all know the skills he has and where they rank.

So in a way, shame on Ring Magazine. I am not canceling my subscription over it (it is a wonderful publication), but I do scratch my head over their logic in dropping "Money" Mayweather.

Look, you know it as well as I do, "Money" Mayweather is the best in the game... and I can excuse anyone who says Manny Pacquiao is P4P number one (and won't argue with them over thinking so)... but until the two fight... I have always felt for the sake of the argument, both deserve the number one pound for pound status.

That being said, in my heart though I am convinced that "Money" Mayweather would defeat Pacquiao. Don't get me wrong, I love Pacquiao as much as the next real fan (not the cheerleader fans with their pom-poms, short skirts and messy hair!) So my pound for pound best actually has to be Mayweather... but I reserve the number one spot with "Money" and "Pacman" because I want them to fight and settle the dispute once and for all.
 
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Tszyu to debut as boxing trainer

Adrian Warren
May 11, 2011 - 6:39PM

Australian boxing icon Kostya Tszyu will make his debut as a head trainer later this month, in the corner of a fighter facing the great Roy Jones Jr and a potential opponent of Danny Green.

Tszyu, the former undisputed world light welterweight champion, will be in the corner of Russian cruiserweight Denis Lebedev for his May 21 clash in Moscow with multi world title-winner Jones.

Now 41, Tszyu, whose last fight was six years ago against Ricky Hatton in Manchester, divides his time between his his birth country Russia and his adopted home Australia.

In an interview with AAP, Tszyu expressed sadness at the passing of former world bantamweight champion Lionel Rose and also wasn't surprised by the IBF middleweight world title win of Daniel Geale the same day.

Lebedev's manager approached Tszyu about training his fighter to face Jones, who was sensationally stopped by Green in one round in late 2009.

Tszyu wasn't fazed by the fact he hadn't trained a professional fighter before heading into the clash at a sold-out 7,000 seat facility.

"I still regard him (Jones) as one of the best of all time," Tszyu told AAP on the phone from Moscow.

"He's a good friend of mine, which means it's a good challenge for us, it's one of the reasons why I accept this challenge, because it's Roy."

Australian fight fans can judge Tszyu's qualities as a trainer, with the fight going out live on Main Event through the Foxtel, Austar and Optus platforms.

Lebedev lost a split points decision to WBO cruiserweight champion Marco Huck in Berlin last December and hopes a win over Jones will earn him a rematch.

A revenge victory over Huck could send Lebedev spinning into the orbit of Green, Australia's IBO cruiserweight world champion.

"With Danny Green fighting against Antonio Tarver it's another good opportunity for us and if and when we are going to win the WBO title, we maybe accept a challenge for our fighter in Australia," Tszyu said.

He will be inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in New York next month alongside some of the biggest names in the sport.

"This is a big honour, it's Mike Tyson, Julio Cesar Chavez, (referee) Joe Cortez and (Rocky star) Sylvester Stallone, it's good company, I look forward to it."

With sons Timophey, 16, and Nikita, 13, among the country's leading amateurs in their age groups, the Tszyu name will be associated with boxing for a long time yet.

"I cannot walk away from this sport ever," Tszyu said.

Tszyu met Rose on several occasions at the Australian Boxing Hall of Fame functions.

"I will cherish his autograph and photo on my wall," Tszyu said.

And he always believed Geale had the ability to win a professional world title.

"Since the amateur times, he stood out from the crowd," Tszyu said.

"Now (we have) another world champion in our country, beautiful."
 
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Timothy Bradley refutes Manny Pacquiao rumor

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Cathedral City boxer Timothy Bradley has been flattered and amused with how his name has been thrown around as Manny Pacquiao's next opponent in November.

WBA champion Amir Khan, who is negotiating with the Bradley camp for a July 23 fight, posted on his Facebook page that Bradley is signing with Pacquiao's promoter Top Rank and Bob Arum for a fight in November.

Bradley was amused by this news, and joked about the speculation.

“I haven't heard anything like that, but if it's true, hey, hey, hey,” Bradley said laughing.

But Bradley continued to deny the post by Khan.

“Not at all, it's not true, but I wish it was true,” said Bradley, who was in Las Vegas over the weekend for Pacquiao's victory over Shane Mosley.

Bradley pointed out he's still under contract with his promoter, Gary Shaw, until the end of June, so he can't negotiate with any other promoter.

And there is the business of Bradley's negotiation with the Khan camp for the fight in July.

Reports suggest the fight will not happen in July and that the Khan camp is looking for other opponents.

Bradley, who is expecting his first child in early August with his wife Monica, said negotiations are ongoing. He said he couldn't comment, but did say one thing.

“I told my promoters what I wanted, and they have to deliver,” Bradley said. “It has nothing to do with Khan.”

There has been a clamoring among boxing fans to see Bradley take on Khan, who is now recognized as the No. 2 fighter in the light welterweight division.

The buzz began last year, when Khan suggested a tournament in the weight division to pit him and Marcos Maidana and Bradley vs. Alexander. The winners would then meet.

Khan beat Maidana in what many thought was the fight of the year in 2010. Bradley's fight against Alexander was a disappointment, and Alexander's reputation took a hit because it appeared he quit and didn't come to fight.

There are reports that Bradley is to make $1.3 million to fight Khan, which was part of a two-fight deal negotiated by HBO and Shaw.

Bradley has made it no secret he desires a megafight against a marquee opponent such as Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather.

When Bradley defeated Carlos Abregu last year, he called out Pacquiao in front of the HBO-televised audience.

Arum was working on having Pacquiao fight against Juan Manuel Marquez, who had two bloody fights against each other.

Marquez reportedly turned down the $5 million offer, which has been the unofficial going rate to fight Pacquiao.

Bradley (27-0, 11 knockouts) is recognized as one of the top-10 pound-for-pound fighters in the world. Not only does Bradley hold two belts in the light welterweight division, his last three victories have been over undefeated boxers.

In January, Bradley dominated Devon Alexander, considered the No. 2 fighter in the 140-pound division at the time, before the fight was stopped in the 10th over an accidental headbutt. Bradley took the unanimous decision.

After watching Pacquiao live, Bradley wants the fight against the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world.

“I was sitting there wishing I was in the ring with him,” Bradley said. “He's wonderful and he's no joke, but I can get in there and duke it out with him. I would go in there to win if I ever fought him.”
 
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Floyd Mayweather ducking megafight

Keith Idec, North Jersey, The Record

If you're looking for someone other than promoter Bob Arum to blame for yet another utter waste of $55 or $65, depending on whether you bought the Manny Pacquiao-Shane Mosley mismatch in HD, neither Pacquiao nor Mosley should top your list.

The boxer most responsible for Saturday's aesthetic disgrace wasn't even in the building, much less the ring at MGM's Grand Garden Arena.

That enigmatic man claims he wasn't even watching Pacquiao dominate Mosley on TV. He swears he was watching a Lady Gaga concert on HBO.

That's quite ironic considering Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s refusal to face Pacquiao in what could become the most profitable fight in boxing history has left HBO Sports in the precarious position of possibly losing Pacquiao to rival Showtime altogether.

Mayweather's numerous legal entanglements are the excuses every Mayweather supporter uses for him failing to settle boxing's pound-for-pound debate in the ring. They'll tell you he can't concentrate on training for a career-defining fight with unsettled cases hovering over him.

Perhaps, but you can bet more than Mayweather wagers on NBA games that if executives at HBO Sports guaranteed him eight figures to fight someone other than Pacquiao, Mayweather would find a way to clear his head and sign a contract. Thankfully, they've stopped giving Mayweather low-risk, high-reward work on their network.

Fight fans, unfortunately, still are paying for Mayweather's mystifying disinterest in solidifying his legacy.

Pacquaio (53-3-2, 38 KOs) and Mayweather (41-0, 25 KOs) could've completed a trilogy by now. Consumers instead have been subjected to three one-sided Pacquiao victories, each devoid of competitive rounds, knockdowns and anything really resembling drama.

Pacquiao is blameless in embracing $20 million paydays. The Filipino superstar shouldn't be faulted for being so much better than anyone Arum puts in front of him, either.

And he can't make Mayweather fight him.

Assuming Mayweather continues his hiatus, Pacquiao probably will complete his trilogy against Juan Manuel Marquez in his next fight, Nov. 5 or 12. Marquez hasn't been as effective at welterweight as he has been at featherweight and lightweight, the divisions in which their first two highly competitive matches were contested.

Still, he is the only opponent other than Mayweather most knowledgeable fight fans think can push Pacquiao.

If Marquez fails to do so in their third fight, feel free to blame Mayweather as much as anyone.
 

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By Chris Williams: The nearly 40-year-old Shane Mosley may have lost the fight to Manny Pacquiao last weekend, but he sure did a good job of exposing some painfully obvious flaws in Pacquiao’s game. Mosley, who isn’t really considered a great boxer, was able to fight defensively, making Pacquiao miss all night long and picking him off with a harmless jab. Mosley showed again and again how easy it is to hit Pacquiao with a jab and make him miss with his shots.

If Floyd Mayweather Jr. has seen the Pacquiao vs. Mosely fight, he will have no doubt discovered how hittable Pacquiao is and how poor he is at cutting off the ring. Pacquiao looked to be about the same age as Mosley in the fight, as neither of them looked quick on their feet. They basically looked like a couple of aging fighters plodding around the ring. Pacquiao is really slowing down.

The difference between Pacquiao in his last two fights compared to how he looked back in 2008 when he beat Oscar De La Hoya is shocking. The foot movement is gone and Pacquiao looks so much slower, even though he was only a few pounds heavier in the Mosley fight compared to the De La Hoya bout.

Pacquiao couldn’t catch up to Mosley for the most part, and that wasn’t because Mosley was quick on his feet. It was because Pacquiao is slowing down. He reminds me of great baseball player that can no longer cover a lot of territory in center field. Pacquiao couldn’t cut off the ring against Mosley because of his loss of movement. As such, Mosley was able to glide around, spearing Pacquiao with jabs at will. It was interesting to see Pacquiao blame it all on Mosley after the fight, making it seem as if Mosley was the one responsible for the fight being so dull because he wasn’t trying to make a fight of it. Sorry, but that’s not the reason why the fight was entirely dull. It was Pacquiao’s lack of lateral movement, his inability to cut off the ring and his slow plodding that made it possible for Mosley to move him around him with ease. Mosley exposed Pacquiao’s slowing footwork and it’s scary to think of what Mayweather would have done to Pacquiao had he been in there with him.

I think Pacquiao’s career can be prolonged another two or three years if they keep matching him against slower fighters and ones that are old and past their best. Pacquiao can keep winning against the right type of opponent. He’s planning on fighting 38-year-old Juan Manuel Marquez next after having faced Mosley, Antonio Margarito and Joshua Clottey in his last three fights. Marquez fits in nicely with that bunch. He should be slow enough for Pacquiao to win.
Damn another point for Bigface! These are the same exact points that Bigface made... Wow... I wish I had showtime so I could watch the replay.
 
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Chris Williams is the same guy that's been writing the same opinion pieces.

anyways, so bigface, tony, you agree with Chris Williams that Pacquiao is past-prime then?

well hopefully floyd can be lured into fighting a past-prime (borderline shot) pacquiao


(and LOL @ tony drooling any time something negative is posted about pac!)
 

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Lol at drooling.... Something negative about Pac or something real?

How is Pacquiao shot? He hasn't been in a fight since he last fought JMM back in 2008. Pacquiao flaws are once again being exposed, that doesn't mean he's shot.

Shane Mosley is an example of a shot fighter, not Pacquiao.
 
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Chris Williams, the guy you keep co-signing, openly stated Pacquiao is past his prime and he's rapidly declining (in bigface terminology that means shot).

It's funny though, I remember after the barrera-pacquiao rematch, which was a lackluster fight, The Ring magazine said that Pacquiao may be on the decline and he lost his intensity and fire. I think pacquiao has raised the bar so high that any time he has a fight that isn't extremely entertaining or ends in a KO, people wonder if he's on the decline or people even stretch as far to say he was "exposed" etc.
 
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article after the Barrera rematch:

Pacquiao lost his fire/intensity and is on the decline

The question does indeed arrive, has Pacquiao lost enough of his fire to be taken? His energy level didn't look what it has in the past and he showed Marco way too much respect. And this was an old Barrera, after all. Why didn't Pacquiao jump right on the Mexican veteran as he did back in late 2003? Something just wasn't the same with Manny last night, that much cannot be denied. Sure, it's possible "Pac-Man" simply had an off night - the result of having trained over in the Philippines for this fight, as apposed to the usual method of getting ready full time in L.A. If, however, Manny has lost a step or two it could be good news for the rest of the super-featherweight division. A class of fighters it once appeared Manny would have next to no problem with.

Both men put on a performance that was far lower in quality than was expected - especially in "Pac-Man's" case.

Though he won by wide (too wide, in this writer's opinion) scores from two of the three judges that gave him a unanimous decision, Manny lacked both intensity and fire. He also appeared to lack the ability to listen to trainer Freddie Roach in the corner at times. Indeed, last night's win was achieved by a less than spectacular and great looking Pacquaio. Sure, he is still a fine, fine fighter. But for the first time in a long while he had the appearance of a beatable fighter.

For his part, Barrera was content to hear the final bell and this was reflected in his decent - but no way near aggressive enough - performance. As such, the bout was something of a disappointment - a disappointment, judging by the majority of posts left by ******** readers, that was felt by more than a few fans last night.​