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Aug 31, 2003
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If the decision is overturned, I wonder if I can beg Bodog to give me my money.

I put a bill on Evander at 6/1 and would really like for them to pay my my fucking $700 (or at least give me my $100 back).

I doubt casinos or online books do that though, considering the people who bet on Valuev already breaded out.


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They won't. The rules of online betting (never bet in Vegas but I'm sure it's the same thing) is that they pay out from the ruling of the fight at the immediate end. If for example Valuev was announced the winner and then the next day it came out that 2 judges added their numbers up wrong and the win would've gone to Holyfield you'd still lose the bet.
 
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Anyone here box for fun?

I have a heavy bag and speed bag. Tryin to get back into doing boxing workouts just for kicks and to get in shape. I did it like 4 years ago and it got me in great shape. Hella fun too.
Yeah !

I used to train @ 3rd Street Boxing in SF, but now I mostly do Muay Thai/BJJ.

But definitely a great way to keep in shape.
 
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The Ring Magazine



Is Hopkins the last great African-American fighter?



If Jack Johnson were alive today, he’d be shaking his head in his hands at the station of the African-American fighter in boxing.

He might assume that it was 1908 again, with the dearth of great African-American fighters in the sport. So for now, “Papa Jack” will be left with turning over in his grave at the current state of African-American fighters.

It’s not good.

Want to make a quick judgment? Simply look around the next time you’re sitting ringside at a major fight. Make a mental inventory of the number of African-American fans you see in the stands and more importantly how many inside the ring on world-class fight cards today.

Some call it a crisis. Some recognize it as a correctable problem. Others say that it’s just a sign of the times; that the globalization of boxing has eased out African-American fighters, giving way to talented Eastern European boxers.

What is certain is that only one—that’s one African-American fighter is in The Ring’s pound-for-pound top 10, Bernard Hopkins. In the February 2009 issue of The Ring, 20 of the 176 fighters rated are African-Americans.

Compare that to 10 years ago, when in the February 1999 issue of The Ring there were five African-Americans rated in the top 10 (Roy Jones, Evander Holyfield, Mark Johnson, Pernell Whitaker, and Shane Mosley). What’s more, 43 of the 170 fighters rated were African-American.

Take a look at the pathetic shape of today’s heavyweight division. In the February 2009 issue of The Ring, not one African-American was rated in the top 10. Not one. Now go back 10 years ago and you’d find six (Evander Holyfield at No. 1, George Foreman No. 3, Michael Grant No. 4, Michael Moorer No. 5, Shannon Briggs No. 6, and Chris Byrd No. 7).

Go back even further, to March 1990, and you’d see that seven of the top-10 heavyweights were African-American, headed by Mike Tyson (with one European, Gary Mason of England, who was rated 10th). You would also notice that 45 African-American fighters of 170 were rated, and six of the top-10 pound-for-pound were African-Americans, topped again by “Iron Mike.”

“We are in a crisis stage,” said Hopkins, who at 43 holds the mantle of today’s African-American fighters. “This change didn’t happen in the top 10 last month, it came gradually. Look at the change, with the Eastern Europeans in boxing. Look at the champions and titlists, they are European. African-Americans ruled the heavyweight division. That’s not the case anymore. There is a lack of talent and lack of bright stars.

“Stars aren’t being produced. It goes all the way down to the amateurs. The average 17-, 18-, 19-year-old African-American kid, they don’t make the Olympics, they turn pro. They turn pro and they’re not ready. The future of the American fighter is in real danger, especially the African-American fighters. Go into the gyms, you’ll see boxers and trainers, but I don’t see someone on the level of Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Sugar Ray Leonard. The next two or three years are going to be very important.”

Hopkins said the lure of the streets takes away many potentially talented African-American fighters. Teenaged athletes today simply aren’t shaped from the same discipline Hopkins had.

“Do you think some kid today who can make quick thousands on the street is going to wake up at five in the morning for a five-mile run, do you?” the former middleweight world champion and future Hall of Famer asked. “That’s not going to happen. The attention span of these kids today is a second. I’m not giving up. I don’t think anyone should give up. There is a problem with discipline over the long haul. The average inner-city kid, they’re not Harvard graduates, they have short attention spans. But that doesn’t mean we should turn our backs on them. We all have an obligation to go back and get kids involved with boxing again, the African-American fighter can’t give up.”

Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward thinks there are plenty of great African-American fighters today. They’re just outside linebackers in the NFL and power forwards in the NBA. He sees more inner-city kids gravitating towards football and basketball, leaving boxing behind as an afterthought.

Plus, Europe has finally caught up. Joe Calzaghe, Ricky Hatton, the Klitschko brothers rule the sport.

“These other countries are more focused into boxing, especially in Eastern Europe, than the black kids in the inner-city,” Steward said. “Those kids want to be basketball and football players. That’s what they want to do. Latin kids are going into the gyms in droves. It’s just how the sport changes now and it’s going to stay that way for awhile.

“One of the problems we have, and no one wants to hear this, is that there are no more trainers. We have no trainers in the inner-city. The kids in Europe are getting a better amateur background and they teach basics. Our kids don’t have trainers who teach anymore. They’re conditioners. The European fighters are more disciplined and focused than our black kids.”

If fighters like Hopkins are the present, then Chad Dawson and Daniel Jacobs are the future of African-American fighters.

Jacobs, a 21-year-old middleweight with a 13-0 (12) record, broached an interesting point.

“African-Americans are much better off (socio-economically) than they were 30, 40 years ago,” said the budding prospect who is one of the rising young stars in the game. “When African-Americans dominated the sport, they had their backs against the wall and had no other choices than to go into boxing. They trained so hard and boxing was all they had. Maybe that’s why you might not find another Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather again, because they were very dedicated to the sport. They trained accordingly. Young people don’t commit to boxing like they should.

“I don’t know if it’s being sidetracked to the money and the fame. But I saw it happen to my peers, not just with boxing in general. Back in the day, you used boxing to get out of the hood. Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali had something to prove and live for, but there are so many opportunities that black kids have today that they didn’t have 20 years ago.”

What boxing needs is a great African-American heavyweight that everyone could identify with, says Showtime boxing analyst Steve Farhood.

“Because boxing is an individual sport, all it will take is one fighter, probably a heavyweight, to change the perception of where the African-American fighter is,” Farhood said. “The right guy comes along and that solves a lot of ills.”

But Farhood tends to agree with Steward as to where the great black fighters are today.

“If there is a dearth, that’s if, it’s partly because of the globalization of boxing. The tradition of boxing in the Hispanic culture seems to be heavier and meatier than the African-American culture, at least it does today. The increase of Eastern Europeans and Latin fighters, the numbers of African-American fighters figures to go down. I don’t think anyone can argue the young inner-city kid is likely to idolize and NFL player or NBA player (rather) than a boxer. There is a shallow pool out there, and it’s a problem. But I won’t go as far as saying we’re in a crisis.”

But someone will emerge. Hopefully, someone from the Andre Wards, Dawsons, Daniels, and Peterson brothers out there.

“It’s fairly obvious what’s going on,” HBO ringside analyst Larry Merchant said. “You usually extract quality from quantity. You may get kids to occasionally come out, but not in the great numbers they once did. That’s something we all have to accept. Boxing has become more global. That’s one aspect of it. It’s no longer part of the social fabric of this country, part of the mines and the farms and the mills, with kids using boxing as a way to fight out and up. Inner-city youngsters don’t dream about being heavyweight champion anymore. They dream about being basketball and football players. They dream about college scholarships, and that’s a good thing.”

Dawson leaned heavily towards basketball. He was a very good high school player. But Dawson received a stern shove in boxing’s direction. If it wasn’t for poor grades preventing him from playing in high school, Dawson would have pursued basketball in college and possibly tried to play professionally in Europe.

Boxing would have been missing a young star.

“My dream was to go to the NBA, that’s what I wanted to do, but boxing was in my blood,” the IBF light heavyweight titlist said. “From being a little kid, from middle school and high school, I got caught up with the hoop dream. When I got to high school, you see all the basketball players with all the attention and all the girls. You see that and that’s what you want.

“I chose boxing as a last resort. My two older brothers were fighters, my father was a fighter. When I was 17, I wasn’t running. I didn’t start taking boxing seriously until I was 23. I would box, make some money and just blow it. I was able to get by, (but then) I started getting committed. I was lucky I found my calling. I don’t know if there are guys out there willing to wait until they’re 23 to get going, but I think there is hope for the young black fighters in this country. I have a responsibility to help.”

Somewhere, you’d like to think, Jack Johnson is smiling over the attitude of Hopkins, Dawson, and Jacobs. They all feel obligated to give back to the sport that has provided so much for them—so much rich history.

“I know a lot of young black fighters who don’t know who Jack Johnson is, and that’s a shame,” said Jacobs. “All I know is that Jack Johnson’s dreams live on through Bernard Hopkins and Chad Dawson. They live on through me.”
 
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I just watched the Holyfield/Valuev fight in it's entirety. After the 12th round, I had Holyfield with 10 rounds, Valuev with 1 round, and 1 round 9-9. That decision was ridiculous. When Buffer announced the first score as 114-114 my jaw dropped to the floor because I know what was going to happen. Evander wasn't outstanding, but did everything he needed to do to win that fight. It was as if Valuev was sleepwalking. I think the judges scored it so close because if Evander had the title, he couldn't really give any other heavyweight a run for their money. He's washed up and they knew it, so they let Valuev retain. Worst decision ever....Where's that .gif with the Simpson's comic book guy.....
 
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I think the judges scored it so close because if Evander had the title, he couldn't really give any other heavyweight a run for their money. He's washed up and they knew it, so they let Valuev retain. Worst decision ever....Where's that .gif with the Simpson's comic book guy.....
I don't think that's the reason at all. It was a shit decision for a shit fight with a meaningless title that was handed to Valuev after beating Ruiz when they stripped the guy that beat Valuev easily.
 
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I've seen one boxing play get overturned. It was Rocky Juarez vs Barrera, I think it was their first fight (dont feel like looking it up). They announced it as a draw, but HBO came back on the air 15 minutes later and said there was a miscalculation on the score cards...and Barrera won. I was on Juarez and lost the play. Other than something like that, no it won't be over turned.

Another time I was on a figter (cant remember which one, think it was a Toney bout) and one of them got busted for roids so they declared it a NC after the fact. My play stood, can't remember if it was a win or loss for me, but the NC didn't change my play. Long time ago so I cant remember the bout.

I box at the gym, but my cardio has been kind of shot lately so I haven't done it for a good month or two. Plus I rather swim...
 
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Luis Collazo is a Serious Threat To Berto, Says DiBella

By Mark Vester

Former welterweight champ Luis Collazo is regarded as a very live dog when he challenges Andre Berto for the WBC welterweight title on January 17. A step up in class for Berto. The fight wll be televised by HBO.

Berto's promoter, Lou DiBella, thinks the fight has the ingredients to become the first great match of 2009. He views Collazo as a very dangerous opponent and says Berto can't afford to bring anything less than his A-game.

"When you have a boxer who produces a high volume of punches like Berto and imposes constant pressure against an opponent with the quality and reputation of a Collazo, all of the elements are present for the first great fight of 2009," DiBella told Primera Hora. "We can't forget that Collazo had 24 very competitive rounds with Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley, so Berto will have to be at his best if he wants to keep the title
 
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Paul Williams-Winky Wright Agreement Reached For April

By Rick Reeno

BoxingScene.com has been advised by a source close to Winky Wright (51-4, 25KOs) - that an agreement has been reached for a fight with WBO interim-junior middleweight champion Paul "The Punisher" Williams (36-1, 27KOs).

Last I heard, the fight date appears be April 18 on HBO. The date of April 11 has also been mentioned. The fight will take place at the middleweight limit of 160. The most interesting piece of information is Wright agreeing to a 50-50 split with Williams. Wright holds the reputation of being one of most difficult fighters in the sport when it comes to negotiating a split of the money. Wright's stubborn behavior when it came to his monetary demands is one the main attributing factors to his inactivity.

Reports vary, but I've heard that HBO put up $2.75 million for the fight [another source told me $3 million]. Wright taking a 50-50 split may be a sign that he's hungry to get back in the ring. He last fought in July of 2007, dropping a decision to Bernard Hopkins at the catch-weight of 170.

It's a very dangerous fight for both. A lot more danger involved for Williams, who didn't have to take the fight. People point to Wright's age and inactivity. Those same people pointed to Hopkins' age and inactivity when he agreed to fight Kelly Pavlik last October.

Wright has only lost once in ten years and that was to Hopkins. To make that fight, Wright had to move up by almost two weight divisions. Wright, like Pavlik, appeared to be sluggish at the weight. Remember that he also did better against Hopkins than a much younger Pavlik. No fighter has really dominated Wright or had him in any kind of serious trouble during the last ten years. During those same ten years, Wright has beaten Shane Mosley twice, Felix Trinidad, Ike Quartey, Sam Soliman and a host of other contenders. If you ask around, most had Wright as the winner in his 2006 draw with Jermain Taylor. A lot of people also saw him as the winner of his majority decision loss to Fernando Vargas in 1999.

Williams has been jumping around from welterweight to middleweight and most recently to junior middleweight. Williams is no stranger to middleweight. A few of his early fights took place at middleweight and he returned to the division last September to knock Andy Kolle out in one round. Wright will be a tougher challenge, based on his style, than Antonio Margarito. Williams is one of the most active fighters in the sport. He could throw 100 punches per round with ease. He needs to use that activity to place constant pressure on Wright. The weight could be an issue, but not for Williams. Wright is reportedly walking around heavy. He always walks around heavy but I've heard stories of 200 or more pounds.
 
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Roy Jones Jr. To Heavyweight? For Evander Holyfield?

By Mark Vester

Former four division Roy Jones Jr. (52-5, 38KOs) is not ready to walk away for good. In his last outing, he lost a shutout twelve round decision to Joe Calzaghe. Jones had said in several interviews that he may decide to make a return to the heavyweight division for a major fight. Jones won a dominant decision over John Ruiz in 2003 to capture the WBA heavyweight title. He vacated the title a few months later to make a return to light heavyweight.

When he came back to 175, also in 2003, he was a changed man. His body never fully recovered from the drastic drop of muscle mass when Jones had to shed off 25-pounds to face Antonio Tarver. According to industry insiders, one opponent Jones may have interest in facing at heavyweight is Evander Holyfield (42-10, 27KOs), a four time heavyweight champion and former undisputed cruiserweight champion.

A fight between Jones and Holyfield is nothing new. The fight had been discussed more than once in the past. Egos always got in the way of the fight actually happening. Each fighter thought he was the bigger name and that led to a battle over the money. Both fighters are now older and their egos may have become wiser.

Holyfield recently suffered a controversial decision loss to seven-foot Nikolai Valuev, the WBA champion. Holyfield made a good enough effort to secure another future payday. A Jones vs. Holyfield encounter could sell on name recognition alone. Jones, who many saw as a shot fighter, did big business against a undersized Felix Trinidad, who was coming off a near three-year retirement.

Calzaghe was too fast and too active for the Jones of today. Holyfield is a lot slower and only fights in spurts, but his punch is still there. The fight is interesting and a case can be made for either of the two winning. The big question is whether there is enough money to be made for both boxers to seriously consider such a fight. Another question is Holyfield's mindset. He seems to be focused on winning a heavyweight belt. There are no title shots in the near future for Holyfield and he needs to make money and he needs to stay active.
 
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Clottey vs. Cintron - A Good Fight With No Home

By Rick Reeno

BoxingScene.com was happy to hear that few problems exist in making the fight between IBF welterweight champion Joshua Clottey (35-2, 20KOs) and his mandatory challenger Kermit Cintron (30-2, 27KOs). That's the good news.

The bad news can certainly prevent the fight from happening - even with the IBF's order for a purse bid. I was a bit puzzled to hear that nobody has expressed interest in televising the fight. When I say nobody - I'm talking about HBO and Showtime.

Considering some of the garbage we are forced to watch on the major networks [HBO taking most of the weight in that category], Clottey-Cintron is a fan friendly fight. Both guys are serious threats at the weight and they both come to fight. Cintron is a former champion with two defeats. Both of those defeats were to Antonio Margarito, viewed as the best welterweight in the sport. Clottey is a dark horse at the weight. Nobody wants to fight Clottey. I hope someone, like Versus, steps in with an offer to televise this fight.

"Right now the fight doesn't have television. Nobody has made an offer," said Lou Dibella, promoter of Cintron.
 
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damn Paul Williams finally fighting someone his own size, hes gonna get out boxed. i just dont know if he has it in him to knock Winky down.
 
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I don't mind a Jones/Holyfield fight too much. They both should be on their way out and they can both make some decent money fighting each other. Bank on your name as long as possible as long you're not putting yourself serious danger, which I don't think either will be here.
 
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Paul Williams-Winky Wright Not Finalized, Says Peterson

By Rick Reeno

George Peterson, manager and trainer for WBO interim-junior middleweight champion Paul Williams, has advised BoxingScene.com that a fight with Winky Wright has not been finalized. As we reported yesterday ( Click Here To Read ), a member of Team Winky advised BoxingScene that an agreement was reached with 50-50 split between the fighters. The fight, should the contracts get signed, will move forward in April on HBO at the middleweight limit.

While the terms may have been met on the side of Winky, Peterson indicates the terms have not been met on the side of Williams. Negotiations are ongoing and Peterson doesn't see any issues that would immediately cause the fight to fall apart, but certain terms [likely money] have to be met before the fight is considered a done deal on their end.

"It's getting there. Negotiations are ongoing. The fight is not done on our end. It may be done on Winky's end, but the terms are not done on our end. Paul wants to fight. Any fighter from 147 to 160. Other fighters play hide and go seek. We don't play those hide and go seek kind of games. We play a game called spank butt. This guy loves to fight. I try to tone him down, but he just wants to go in there and bang. If a guy is a dancer, he dances. If a guy is a artist, he does art. Paul Williams is a fighter, and he fights," Peterson said.
 
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Carl Froch Targets Mikkel Kessler, Lucian Bute and Taylor

By Mark Vester

Unbeaten WBC super middleweight champ Carl Froch wants the big names in 2009. At age 31, Froch feels that he needs to step on the gas and move his career forward at a high speed. After a fight of year battle with Jean Pascal to win the title in December, he wants to make his first defense against one of the three biggest names in the division. Jermain Taylor is Froch's mandatory challenger, but HBO, so far, has not shown interest in picking up the fight.

If Froch is unable to defend against Taylor, he would like to unify the title against WBA champ Mikkel Kessler or IBF champ Lucian Bute. He is also willing to travel to America to fight Taylor or another top contender.

“I want to get straight in there with a top contender before I go off the boil. I think the Pascal fight has done a lot of good for me. We had such a good tear-up, we both came away with a lot of credit. It would be nice to establish myself as a world champion, but I'm 31 so there is no time to waste. I'm happy to fight the likes of Taylor or Lucian Bute or Mikkel Kessler. I don't believe in having easy fights,” Froch told The Times Online .

Froch suffered a rib injury during his training camp for the fight with Pascal. The injury took some hits during the actual fight and Froch probably won't see action until April in order to properly heal.

“It's taken ages for my rib to calm down,” Froch said. “It was fractured and that doesn't heal overnight. I've only just been able to start sleeping on that side. I was sore before the fight. I could have had an injection in it, but I didn't fancy the needle in my ribs. It was killing me during the fight.”