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The Klitschko’s Rule Heavyweight, What’s The Bad News?

By Jake Donovan

It’s understandable for historians to throw a hissy fit over the present state of the heavyweight division. Ever since Lennox Lewis’ official retirement nearly five years ago, boxing’s once most storied division has been without a linear champion.

Those hoping that a battle for undisputed heavyweight supremacy were not so subtle in their pining for a possible upset prior to last weekend’s match between Samuel Peter and Vitali Klitschko. The reasoning was simple in their minds: a Peter win potentially set the table for a rematch with Wladimir Klitschko, who at the time was the only fighter in the world to claim a win over the Nigeria.

Such a fight, it would be argued, would produce the successor to THE heavyweight crown.

Such a fight now has little chance of occurring, and now the masses are upset.

They’re not at the thought of Vitali winning – returning from a near four-year hiatus to absolutely beat the breaks off of Peter gives any writer plenty of fresh material with which to fill column space. But more so of what it prevents, as the chances of the brothers Klitschko squaring off in a prize fight are slim to none, with slim well out of town.

Leave it to the masses to miss the forest for the trees.

Yes, the thought of a two-headed champion in any sport is anyone to make anyone shudder. But unlike other sports, and even other divisions within our beloved game, having two Klitschko’s atop the heavyweight division is a good thing.

For starters, people are already talking. Even if the description of two brothers simultaneously reigning as heavyweight champion is an artificial headline is a deceptive headline, it has people talking about boxing. More important, people are talking about – and actually give a damn about – the heavyweight division in a positive light.

So what’s the bad news?

Even before Saturday’s one-sided massacre, how interested was the boxing public in a Wlad-Peter rematch? Even with baby brother hitting the deck three times in their September 2005 encounter, he still won the fight with room to spare.

Two wins over a faded and bloated James Toney somehow painted the picture that Peter was a new and improved heavyweight force, even further exaggerated with his knockout over Oleg Maskaev earlier this year.

Vitali Klitschko punched Peter and the boxing world back into reality this past weekend, delivering a new message in the process: clearing out dead wood.

What’s hurt the heavyweight division in the post-Lewis era isn’t the lack of a singular entity to point to as its true leader; it’s the number of mediocre candidates vying for the crown.

It would’ve been an inspirational tale for Wladimir Klitschko to clean house and with an iron fist, rule the heavyweight roost. It was clearly the headline everyone awaited.

But the question is – or at least should’ve been – how long were we willing to wait?

Younger Klitschko’s snoozer of a decision win over Sultan Ibragimov earlier this year was the first heavyweight unification match in nine years, when Lewis and Evander Holyfield twice got together in efforts to prove a true champion. Klitschko-Ibragimov was merely the first piece to the puzzle we’re presented with today, with the other pieces still in the wind.

By December 13, Wladimir will have most likely satisfied the latter of two mandatory obligations that came with unifying two belts. The first came earlier this summer, when he successfully dispatched reluctant challenger Tony Thompson in Germany. The boxing year at the top level will end with his defense against undefeated prospect-cum-contender Alexander Povetkin in a battle of former Olympic Gold medalists.

But there was no guarantee that Wlad moves on to face a Ruslan Chagaev or a Nikolai Valuev sometime next year. Nor was there any guarantee that he immediately pursued a Peter rematch, even if older brother didn’t return to the ring.

Think about it: the most often discussed potential heavyweight fight of 2009 had Wlad squaring off against former linear cruiserweight king David Haye.

Few if any will dispute that such a fight is clearly the most exciting heavyweight fight that can be made. It wouldn’t produce an undisputed heavyweight champion, but is one of the few makeable heavyweight fights that could capture the imagination of the boxing public.

A Wlad-Peter rematch wasn’t doing the trick; not only was the first fight fairly one-sided, but also painfully dull to watch for much of the evening.

Vitali-Peter wasn’t much better to watch, but on paper was a more plausible alternative. The main speculation going in wasn’t what Peter brought the table, but how much Vitali would potentially leave behind after going 46 months between prize fights.

The answer was very little. Vitali controlled from the outset, winning every minute of every round before Peter quit on his stool after eight rounds.

Some will blame open scoring, that upon hearing he was hopelessly behind, that there was no point in continuing. Others will buy into the notion that it wasn’t Peter who quit, but his handlers who insisted that fighter remain on his stool for his own benefit.

Whatever your poison, the moral of the story for the evening was clear; even with a four-year layoff, Vitali Klitschko is the better fighter. It was the same lesson we learned three years ago when Peter faced baby brother Wladimir.

Come Monday morning, it is a lesson that will most likely be lost on many in the media, who will speak of the heavyweight division as if it’s in a state of disarray.

No amount of money will get Vitali and Wlad in the ring against one another, which means that any fight short of Wlad-Chagaev will leave us without a true heavyweight champion. Things could potentially go from bad to worse if Chagaev winds up instead facing – and losing to – Vitali.

At that point, those in need of a singular champ would have to openly root for either brother to lose their next fight, and for the other to step in and either play brother’s keeper in a fight that would produce the successor to Lennox Lewis’ old crown.

But while many continue to wild out hypotheticals, greater emphasis should instead be placed what came out of last weekend. Vitali’s triumphant return, coupled with Wladimir’s continued success, gives the heavyweight division something it’s craved for far too long.

A headline.
 
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Roy Jones: "Calzaghe Not Great, Only a Good Euro Fighter"

By Mark Vester

The trash-talking has begun for the November 8 clash between Roy Jones Jr. and Joe Calzaghe, taking place at New York's Madison Square Garden. Jones says that Calzaghe will never be recognized as a truly great champion.

American boxing legend Roy Jones has warned Joe Calzaghe that he will never be recognised as a truly great champion. Jones says Calzaghe is just a good Euro fighter with too many questions mark that hang over his career resume.

"Joe is a long way from being the king of boxing in America," said Jones to The Mirror. "He's a good European fighter but there are too many question marks about his career. I have answered all my doubters and beaten living legends but Joe has too much catching up to do. He beat Bernard Hopkins but Hopkins was at the end of his career - and now he has to get past me."

After watching some of Welsh champion's fights, Jones says that he doesn't see any way that Calzaghe can possibly win.

"I've been looking at tapes of Joe's fights and I just can't see a way that he can beat me," continued Jones
 
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@ REdRUM .. you still looking for any Morales fights from Tijuana? I managed to find three I'm grabbing now ..

Vs. Armando Castro (1995-06-02)
Vs. John Lowey (1997-12-12)
Vs. Reynante Jamili (1999-07-31)

Let me know if you need any of those.
 
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hows its gonna be a boring fight when Pavlik comes straight at opponents at all times? Im predicting Hopkins to pick him apart badly and maybe not by a knockdown but the fight will be stopped cuz Pavlik wont be able to continue
 
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hows its gonna be a boring fight when Pavlik comes straight at opponents at all times? Im predicting Hopkins to pick him apart badly and maybe not by a knockdown but the fight will be stopped cuz Pavlik wont be able to continue
man, I hope you're right. That would be my prediction to if this was pre-calzaghe. Problem imo is hopkins looked old against him and I just don't know if 43 year old hopkins has enough left to throw enough punches to beat Pavlik. I hope so, but I'm not counting on it.

Pavlik has a very simple style and hopkins has always been at his best against guys like him (power fighters that come forward). Hopkins has only struggled against guys that are very fast and athletic (Roy Jones, Taylor and Calzaghe to a lesser extent) and pavlik is pretty damn slow (not to knock him cuz I am a pavlik fan, just sayin the truth).

If hopkins were younger, even just by a couple of years (like the version that dominated Tarver), Hopkins would win fairly easy. Probably would score a knockdown and maybe even get a late KO. But, based on how he looked against calzaghe and how he got tired in the second half of the fight (which has never happened to him before), I just think he's going to run out of gas and pavlik will win on throwing more punches, even though hopkins defense wont allow pavlik to land too many flush shots.

I hope I'm very wrong though
 
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I do, too...but I think this is his last fight.
Win or lose I have a feeling it wont be. Hopkins is too in love with the sport to leave when he should.

Plus, I find it strange that hopkins hasn't talked ANY shit at all or really even tried anything funny to promote the fight. He's had nothing but positive things to say about Pavlik and has been very kind/respectful. He's got something planned...
 

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Hopkins is going to pick and choose when to throw his shots... that maybe his only downfall (productivity wise). I think it's going to be another close fight on the scoring cards...
 
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I just don't see him being able to put together enough punches, round after round, to win on the scorecards. And he might fade down the stretch...but I'm hoping he can catch Pavlik coming in and knock him out. LOL
It's a possibility, at least a knockdown. Hopkins has that sneaky right, man, probably the best overhand right in the game when he loads up on it. I mean he knocked down Calzaghe, who's got an iron chin and even the bigger Tarver. Plus, Pavlik has been down several times in his career.



4:40 and 6:40:


Also against Bronco Mckart fight, 4th round.


I can definitely see hopkins landing one of these overhand rights on Kelly and sending him down:


 
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The knockdown counted against him in the McKart fight was bullshit. He got punched in the shoulder while slipping and got counted. Legit in the sense that a punch was thrown but nothing that should be held against him. He was dropped by the a power punching columbian and the barrage by Taylor .. in fights in which he got up to stop both of them.

The problem with that comparison is that Taylor had to blast his face off to get him to hit the canvas and Zuniga couldn't finish or get him down again despite having serious power .. neither of those is how Hopkins fight. If Hopkins wins it's because he makes it an ugly clinched up slow down pace and takes a decision.

Hopkins just isn't busy enough anymore and I wouldn't have picked him even before the Calzaghe fight. Pavlik has a high work rate, he'll easily throw 100 punches a round whether they connect or not it won't matter because Hopkins simply won't do enough to win the rounds, especially towards the end of the fight.

I'm just hoping Hopkins calls it quits soon. I wouldn't want to see Hopkins end his career at the end of a violent knockout. He seems to have made enough money to where he doesn't have to come back.
 
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The problem with that comparison is that Taylor had to blast his face off to get him to hit the canvas and Zuniga couldn't finish or get him down again despite having serious power .. neither of those is how Hopkins fight. If Hopkins wins it's because he makes it an ugly clinched up slow down pace and takes a decision.
Well the difference is that Hopkins catches his opponents off guard. It's not really power, it's about perfect timing when his opponents don't expect a punch coming and it stuns them. Like I said, Calzaghe has an iron chin, but he didn't see that punch coming and it stunned him. That can happen to anyone.

Unfortunately I agree with your last paragraph though, which is a real shame. I would have loved to see a younger version of hopkins (like 35-36) fight Pavlik.