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HERESY

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2-0-Sixx said:
HERESY said:
JMM lost to Bradley but out of all those guys Pac got knocked out. So Pac has a knockout against him and I'll give him a win over Bradley. JMM has a 12 round loss against Bradley (not a clinic or total domination) and a KO of Pac. Then you have Bradley with a gift over pac, which we are going to call a loss for the sake of argument and a win over JMM. So out of all that who comes out on top? Not Pac.

You tell me then. Who comes out on top. Still waiting for that list.
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1. That fighter from the mideast who has knocked out everyone and is undefeated.
2. Floyd
3. Rig
4. JMM
5. Bradley
6. Canelo
7. Crawford
8. Froch
9. Garcia
10. Stevenson/Kovalev

Yes JMM KO'd Pac and Pac beat Bradley who beat JMM. The way I'm looking at is is who is the overall better fighter and imo that is Pac. I like Pacs chances against more guys out there that I don't see JMM winning.
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Like who?

He's never been the same from that whooping, that's all I know.
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You know it was always a matter of what Dawson showed up. The guy is a headcase.

He's the lineal champ.
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And WBC champ.

Kovalev is the UNIFIED champ. He has three belts. Stevenson one.
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Lineal champ and wbc champ.

Coming off a loss.
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So? He had time to recover. Pac came off a terrible knockout. Tyson has come off of brutal beatings, it happens. Stop trying to make it seem as if these guys were dying.
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HERESY

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2-0-Sixx said:
Why is Rigondeaux regarded so highly? Because of the skills he shows in the ring. His resume isn't nearly as deep as many, many fighters. But if we're judging skills here, obviously he's one of the most skilled fighters in boxing, thus his high p4p ranking. Again, p4p isn't based on resume alone, it's a factor, but it's a combination of skills, resume, perception/opinon.
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Again, P4P is based on whatever you, as the person making the list, want it to be. If this were not the case EVERYONES P4P would be the EXACT same thing. It is ALL opinion and what you are basing it on.

When I look at Canelo I see a well rounded fighter. He's not great. He's got a very good resume. Kovalev to me is a more skilled fighter than Canelo and more intelligent(and obviously more powerful). That is my opinion based on what I see in the ring. Again, #7 was never set in stone. The list was totally off the fly I did in about 1 minute. I don't care where the number is, if Canelo is a spot or two higher than Kovalev, whatever that's fine.
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And I see Kovalev as something different. I see Kovalev as putting on a great fight against one person. A 50 year old man. Aside from his KO's, which are impressive, he hasn't shown me what he is capable of when it comes to straight up technical stuff. He can cut the ring off, he knows how to punch but Canelo can do the same thing and better (obviously doesn't have the power.)

Make a list and stop ducking and dodging. Coach had the courage! Unlike you and Stevenson duckin haha
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lol! I made it man, Look at the list.
 
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Hell yeah it's all based on opinion! Like I wouldn't put Floyd as #1 cuz he hasn't fought anyone noteworthy of keeping him up there since Cotto and has only made 1 legit defense of that 154 title since (Canelo was a catchweight). AS far as Kovalev is concerned if he does rank on the p4p list, it's number 10. Fighters like Loma and Jhonny Gonzalez look unstoppable right now and should be ranked.
 
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What Im trying to say is that's the state of boxing that we are at. Since the best are not fighting the best, all rankings of all fighters is based on personal opinion. And the only reason people don't want to rank Floyd lower is so that they won't look like they don't know shit about boxing.
 
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HERESY said:
1. That fighter from the mideast who has knocked out everyone and is undefeated.
2. Floyd
3. Rig
4. JMM
5. Bradley
6. Canelo
7. Crawford
8. Froch
9. Garcia
10. Stevenson/Kovalev
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LOL this guy arguing tooth and nail about my ranking of Kovalev and u end up putting Stevenson and Kovalev in the same spot! These minor differences we have you love to make seem like we're debating the existence of God lmao.

*I personally dropped Garcia because I thought he lost and refused to give a rematch.



Like who?
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Devon Alexander, Amir Khan, guys like that I see beating JMM but losing to Pac. Both have declined but jmm is over 40 now and the end is real close (he might retire I'm not sure what's th3 latest on that).



You know it was always a matter of what Dawson showed up. The guy is a headcase.
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Yeah he's definitely a Jermain Taylor 2.0. I just think him getting knocked out the fight prior lessons the victory a bit for Stevenson. We disagree here, but again it's a rather minor disagreement.



And WBC champ.



Lineal champ and wbc champ.
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Well the lineal "title" isn't necessarily a belt, it's imaginary not recognized by anyone but fans and historians, however I'll give you this since The Ring Magazine does (although they pretty much made a mockery of it a couple years ago but that's a different subject) so yes, Kovalev three, Stevenson two.



So? He had time to recover. Pac came off a terrible knockout. Tyson has come off of brutal beatings, it happens. Stop trying to make it seem as if these guys were dying.
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No that's not what I mean. Hopkins didn't physically hurt Cloud. My point was the win was less impressive being that he was coming off a loss. If Cloud was undefeated and a title holder that's more impressive. Regardless it's Tavoris Cloud, who's proven to be really one dimensional and not very good. But I'll give Stevenson this - the way Stevenson boxed and moved was impressive in the sense that it showed Stevenson isn't a one trick pony. He does have the ability to box.

My main point was Kovalev and Stevenson have very similar resumes, the difference being Hopkins, thus my reasoning of placing him higher. It wasn't just that he beat Hopkins either it was how he did it - a complete shut out which no man has ever done. 49 years old or not Hopkins is still capable of beating top fighters so for me, the way in which Kovalev did, by out boxing him, out thinking him, countering him, etc, was impressive.
 
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HERESY said:
Again, P4P is based on whatever you, as the person making the list, want it to be. If this were not the case EVERYONES P4P would be the EXACT same thing. It is ALL opinion and what you are basing it on.
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LOL that's what I've been saying


And I see Kovalev as something different. I see Kovalev as putting on a great fight against one person. A 50 year old man. Aside from his KO's, which are impressive, he hasn't shown me what he is capable of when it comes to straight up technical stuff. He can cut the ring off, he knows how to punch but Canelo can do the same thing and better (obviously doesn't have the power.)
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See, I thought he was very technical against Hopkins and Bhop even said that after the fight. Kovalev showed a lot as a fighter to me, he had a plan and stuck to it for 12 full rounds never getting frustrated, he countered shots, he moved back after attacking never allowing Hopkins to counter and forced him to reset over and over. It was a more cerebral fight than just raw power.

for me, canelo is a good, solid fighter, but nothing he does imo is really great, besides probably his left hand to the body. I see a guy who's squeaked past a couple guyslike Trout, who I tthought came extremely close to winning and Lara who imo lost the fight himself by not throwing enough punches versus Canelo beating him. Now these are GOOD wins for Canelo make no mistake about it and his resume is better without question, but if I compare the two and imagine if they were the same size (thus pound 4 pound), I see Kovalev being the better fighter.

lol! I made it man, Look at the list.
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It's utter trash! :chinese:
 
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WYNO707X4 said:
Honestly too me the best p4p fighter out there right now is andre ward....i think hes the most skilled fighter out there period.
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He very well could be, but he's had one fight in 2013 against Rodriguez and zero fights in 2014. Inactivity is hurting him (for now). I hope he gets his stuff straight and comes back strong in 2015.

And that goes for a lot of fighters. 2014 was weak as fuck. Hopkins vs Kovalev was one of the most significant fights of the year by far and it shouldn't be like that.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
make a list

I'm sure it'd be:

Floyd
Broner
Mayweather
Maidana
Guerrero
Floyd
About Billions
PBF
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Naw wouldnt look anything like that but just for the fact that people dont have Floyd number 1 means it wont be taken seriously. Thats the only thing that isnt arguable on the list. U can argue from spots 2-10 though. Got Em!!
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
make a list though I'm curious.

Everyone has Floyd #1 though
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What is this dude reading? It was pretty clear that we had him #1 and no one really argued that except the comment about Ward.

I actually think Ward is the best out there right now, but he's not fighting. Who knows if/when he comes back if he'll even be at that level with as long as he's been out.
 
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Man this Narvaez/Inoue card went from must download to must watch live.

http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=703252

That's disgusting. Kind of cool to see Narvaez & Inoue's brothers fighting each other on the undercard (don't know why they spell Nestor's last name differently).
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sick card. I wonder what time that will be our time, I won't be working so a I'll be able to watch regardless
 
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