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Again, P4P is based on whatever you, as the person making the list, want it to be. If this were not the case EVERYONES P4P would be the EXACT same thing. It is ALL opinion and what you are basing it on.
And I see Kovalev as something different. I see Kovalev as putting on a great fight against one person. A 50 year old man. Aside from his KO's, which are impressive, he hasn't shown me what he is capable of when it comes to straight up technical stuff. He can cut the ring off, he knows how to punch but Canelo can do the same thing and better (obviously doesn't have the power.)
lol! I made it man, Look at the list.
And I see Kovalev as something different. I see Kovalev as putting on a great fight against one person. A 50 year old man. Aside from his KO's, which are impressive, he hasn't shown me what he is capable of when it comes to straight up technical stuff. He can cut the ring off, he knows how to punch but Canelo can do the same thing and better (obviously doesn't have the power.)
lol! I made it man, Look at the list.
Hell yeah it's all based on opinion! Like I wouldn't put Floyd as #1 cuz he hasn't fought anyone noteworthy of keeping him up there since Cotto and has only made 1 legit defense of that 154 title since (Canelo was a catchweight). AS far as Kovalev is concerned if he does rank on the p4p list, it's number 10. Fighters like Loma and Jhonny Gonzalez look unstoppable right now and should be ranked.
LOL this guy arguing tooth and nail about my ranking of Kovalev and u end up putting Stevenson and Kovalev in the same spot! These minor differences we have you love to make seem like we're debating the existence of God lmao.
*I personally dropped Garcia because I thought he lost and refused to give a rematch.
Devon Alexander, Amir Khan, guys like that I see beating JMM but losing to Pac. Both have declined but jmm is over 40 now and the end is real close (he might retire I'm not sure what's th3 latest on that).
Yeah he's definitely a Jermain Taylor 2.0. I just think him getting knocked out the fight prior lessons the victory a bit for Stevenson. We disagree here, but again it's a rather minor disagreement.
Well the lineal "title" isn't necessarily a belt, it's imaginary not recognized by anyone but fans and historians, however I'll give you this since The Ring Magazine does (although they pretty much made a mockery of it a couple years ago but that's a different subject) so yes, Kovalev three, Stevenson two.
No that's not what I mean. Hopkins didn't physically hurt Cloud. My point was the win was less impressive being that he was coming off a loss. If Cloud was undefeated and a title holder that's more impressive. Regardless it's Tavoris Cloud, who's proven to be really one dimensional and not very good. But I'll give Stevenson this - the way Stevenson boxed and moved was impressive in the sense that it showed Stevenson isn't a one trick pony. He does have the ability to box.
My main point was Kovalev and Stevenson have very similar resumes, the difference being Hopkins, thus my reasoning of placing him higher. It wasn't just that he beat Hopkins either it was how he did it - a complete shut out which no man has ever done. 49 years old or not Hopkins is still capable of beating top fighters so for me, the way in which Kovalev did, by out boxing him, out thinking him, countering him, etc, was impressive.
*I personally dropped Garcia because I thought he lost and refused to give a rematch.
Devon Alexander, Amir Khan, guys like that I see beating JMM but losing to Pac. Both have declined but jmm is over 40 now and the end is real close (he might retire I'm not sure what's th3 latest on that).
Yeah he's definitely a Jermain Taylor 2.0. I just think him getting knocked out the fight prior lessons the victory a bit for Stevenson. We disagree here, but again it's a rather minor disagreement.
Well the lineal "title" isn't necessarily a belt, it's imaginary not recognized by anyone but fans and historians, however I'll give you this since The Ring Magazine does (although they pretty much made a mockery of it a couple years ago but that's a different subject) so yes, Kovalev three, Stevenson two.
No that's not what I mean. Hopkins didn't physically hurt Cloud. My point was the win was less impressive being that he was coming off a loss. If Cloud was undefeated and a title holder that's more impressive. Regardless it's Tavoris Cloud, who's proven to be really one dimensional and not very good. But I'll give Stevenson this - the way Stevenson boxed and moved was impressive in the sense that it showed Stevenson isn't a one trick pony. He does have the ability to box.
My main point was Kovalev and Stevenson have very similar resumes, the difference being Hopkins, thus my reasoning of placing him higher. It wasn't just that he beat Hopkins either it was how he did it - a complete shut out which no man has ever done. 49 years old or not Hopkins is still capable of beating top fighters so for me, the way in which Kovalev did, by out boxing him, out thinking him, countering him, etc, was impressive.
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LOL that's what I've been saying
See, I thought he was very technical against Hopkins and Bhop even said that after the fight. Kovalev showed a lot as a fighter to me, he had a plan and stuck to it for 12 full rounds never getting frustrated, he countered shots, he moved back after attacking never allowing Hopkins to counter and forced him to reset over and over. It was a more cerebral fight than just raw power.
for me, canelo is a good, solid fighter, but nothing he does imo is really great, besides probably his left hand to the body. I see a guy who's squeaked past a couple guyslike Trout, who I tthought came extremely close to winning and Lara who imo lost the fight himself by not throwing enough punches versus Canelo beating him. Now these are GOOD wins for Canelo make no mistake about it and his resume is better without question, but if I compare the two and imagine if they were the same size (thus pound 4 pound), I see Kovalev being the better fighter.
It's utter trash! :chinese:
See, I thought he was very technical against Hopkins and Bhop even said that after the fight. Kovalev showed a lot as a fighter to me, he had a plan and stuck to it for 12 full rounds never getting frustrated, he countered shots, he moved back after attacking never allowing Hopkins to counter and forced him to reset over and over. It was a more cerebral fight than just raw power.
for me, canelo is a good, solid fighter, but nothing he does imo is really great, besides probably his left hand to the body. I see a guy who's squeaked past a couple guyslike Trout, who I tthought came extremely close to winning and Lara who imo lost the fight himself by not throwing enough punches versus Canelo beating him. Now these are GOOD wins for Canelo make no mistake about it and his resume is better without question, but if I compare the two and imagine if they were the same size (thus pound 4 pound), I see Kovalev being the better fighter.
It's utter trash! :chinese:
He very well could be, but he's had one fight in 2013 against Rodriguez and zero fights in 2014. Inactivity is hurting him (for now). I hope he gets his stuff straight and comes back strong in 2015.
And that goes for a lot of fighters. 2014 was weak as fuck. Hopkins vs Kovalev was one of the most significant fights of the year by far and it shouldn't be like that.
And that goes for a lot of fighters. 2014 was weak as fuck. Hopkins vs Kovalev was one of the most significant fights of the year by far and it shouldn't be like that.
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Man this Narvaez/Inoue card went from must download to must watch live.
http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=703252
That's disgusting. Kind of cool to see Narvaez & Inoue's brothers fighting each other on the undercard (don't know why they spell Nestor's last name differently).
http://boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=703252
That's disgusting. Kind of cool to see Narvaez & Inoue's brothers fighting each other on the undercard (don't know why they spell Nestor's last name differently).
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What is this dude reading? It was pretty clear that we had him #1 and no one really argued that except the comment about Ward.
I actually think Ward is the best out there right now, but he's not fighting. Who knows if/when he comes back if he'll even be at that level with as long as he's been out.
I actually think Ward is the best out there right now, but he's not fighting. Who knows if/when he comes back if he'll even be at that level with as long as he's been out.
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