Man we aren't talking about Ring, ESPN, etc. You can do a P4P anyway you want because, at the end, it's 100% opinion anyway. I'm just asking if we are going by the official wins/losses or performance? Because if we go by performance, Pac definitely does NOT get the 3 slot.
Why would we go by official win/loss if it's a blantly bad decision when discussing pound 4 pound? Lineal belts or whatever that's a different story, pound 4 pound like you say is based on opinion, perception, etc.
I put Pacquiao #3 more out of default because Ward got dropped from the list, he beat Bradley x2 times and JMM lost to Bradley. You can shift those three guys any which way you'd like I don't really care (you can make your own list bro, nothing holding you back).
Which of Kovalevs opponents stacks up to Dawson? Shit Cloud beat Campillo.
Pretty much any of them being that Dawson was just ruined by Ward.
Come on now, seriously? So now you want to take the mans win away?
How am I taking his win away? He won the lineal title, he became THE champ with that win. That can never be taking away from him.
What I'm saying is simply this - his win, as far as pound 4 pound lists go - is not that impressive considering Dawson just got his ass whooped and knocked out right before. That's what it is.
Yet when I mention Tito not being a natural fit in the weight class he fought Hopkins at you fight tooth and claw to make the win stick. And it was nine months between the fights, he had enough time to recover.
This is on a different planet that's how far apart these two arguements are. Tito was undefeated, a middleweight champion, pound 4 pound #2 and a 7-1 favorite to beat Hopkins. Now if he got the shit kicked out of him and knocked out right before, then that would be similar. But of course Tito was never stopped (until Hopkins).
And that puts him at #7????????
7, 8, 9 or 10. Like I said several times now, this was a list off the top of my head and that nothing here is set in stone. I also said you can shift these names around but these are the top 10 guys to me right now. The position, or the number, is not really relevant to me (7 or 10 it doesn't matter).
He had over a year to recover. Try again.
Try again what? Cloud was coming off a loss to Hopkins. That's a fact.