Bob Arum Tells Floyd Mayweather, Schaefer: "Go To Hell!"

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^^No one gives blood the day of the fight though, ever. Not even Olympic boxers fighting in the Olympics give blood the day of the fight. They do after the fight, and leading up to the fight, but never on the day before the fight. That's crazy.

Mayweather is being unreasonable with his demands. I agree that Pacquiao has to do random blood tests to, which is willing to do, its just taking blood the day of the fight is crazy. First off, like me, many people feel woozy/light-headed/dizzy after any amount of blood is taken, further your arm is very sore at the point of where the needle entered the vein, although I'm sure the latter is far less of a factor and probably wouldn't mean much in a fight.

The problem with this though is it opens the flood gates. What will prevent other fighters doing the same thing, not just against Pac? I mean Shane Mosley was CAUGHT using "the cream" from BALCO. What prevents, say, Andre Berto demanding "Olympic style testing" on mosley? What about Roy Jones, James Toney, etc etc etc? Or what about guys like Pac, who have NEVER failed a test but simply are "too good" or kicking ass? Look at Timothy Bradley. One look at his body and one might say, "roids, I'm not fighting him!"



Either we go by the system we have now, for example the Nevada State Athletics depertment which does the drug testing, or there needs to be a single boxing commission that oversees the sport and implements more rigorous drug tests, but sadly the latter is not an option at this point because boxing is way too chaotic - there is the WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF, etc, etc, etc. all of whom would need to be on board. Further, the united states government would need to get invovled which asks the question, would the government be willing to spend millions of dollars every year so that every single fighter in boxing (which is in the thousands) could get these Olympic style drug tests year round? It's not very likely, not in these economic times.

Either all fighters must be put through the same tests, or we keep the same system in place (or at best have the nevada state athletics raise the bar a bit). And the latter another issue is it's done by state by state. Nevada's drug policies are different than others. There are some states that don't test for drugs at all! Also, the main reason floyd jr fights in vegas and will only fight pacquiao in vegas and not dallas, is because in Nevada the substance mayweather uses to inject in his hands to kill the pain is not banned, but it is banned in other states!
 
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^^No one gives blood the day of the fight though, ever. Not even Olympic boxers fighting in the Olympics give blood the day of the fight. They do after the fight, and leading up to the fight, but never on the day before the fight. That's crazy.

Mayweather is being unreasonable with his demands. I agree that Pacquiao has to do random blood tests to, which is willing to do, its just taking blood the day of the fight is crazy. First off, like me, many people feel woozy/light-headed/dizzy after any amount of blood is taken, further your arm is very sore at the point of where the needle entered the vein, although I'm sure the latter is far less of a factor and probably wouldn't mean much in a fight.

The problem with this though is it opens the flood gates. What will prevent other fighters doing the same thing, not just against Pac? I mean Shane Mosley was CAUGHT using "the cream" from BALCO. What prevents, say, Andre Berto demanding "Olympic style testing" on mosley? What about Roy Jones, James Toney, etc etc etc? Or what about guys like Pac, who have NEVER failed a test but simply are "too good" or kicking ass? Look at Timothy Bradley. One look at his body and one might say, "roids, I'm not fighting him!"



Either we go by the system we have now, for example the Nevada State Athletics depertment which does the drug testing, or there needs to be a single boxing commission that oversees the sport and implements more rigorous drug tests, but sadly the latter is not an option at this point because boxing is way too chaotic - there is the WBC, WBO, WBA, IBF, etc, etc, etc. all of whom would need to be on board. Further, the united states government would need to get invovled which asks the question, would the government be willing to spend millions of dollars every year so that every single fighter in boxing (which is in the thousands) could get these Olympic style drug tests year round? It's not very likely, not in these economic times.

Either all fighters must be put through the same tests, or we keep the same system in place (or at best have the nevada state athletics raise the bar a bit). And the latter another issue is it's done by state by state. Nevada's drug policies are different than others. There are some states that don't test for drugs at all! Also, the main reason floyd jr fights in vegas and will only fight pacquiao in vegas and not dallas, is because in Nevada the substance mayweather uses to inject in his hands to kill the pain is not banned, but it is banned in other states!
I feel you but the way it's going right now pac-man is going to submit to the demands or have a bad name in boxing from this shit.
 
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Who's knows though mayweathers camp might really think dude is juicing. It might not be a stunt but something they really believe he is doing and now they got a lot of people thinking the same thing.
 
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Those tests are excessive though. Testing the day of the fight?
That's ridiculous. What is he going to do, inject/ingest steroids for one day? That would do absolutely nothing. The quickest acting steroid that I know of still takes about 4 hours to peak in your blood and to do it for 1 day would do more harm than good because his immune system would be working to fight it off.

They are just messing with him and it's making Manny look really bad. If Mayweather went into a coma after the fight I wouldn't lose a minute of sleep over it. It's one thing to look out for your best interest and want testing, but to slander Manny and to attempt defamation of character is taking it too far.

Anyone who knows anything about Anabolics knows that doing steroids the day of the fight would be a horrible thing to do. There are chems out there that don't even kick in for 4 weeks. What the hell is he going to do the day of?

It's harassment is what it is.
 
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I agree man, shits fucked up. I lost all respect for Floyd. He's doing this to make Pac look like the bad guy when he hasn't done a single thing wrong, never tested positive for anything before.

Bob Arum and Mayweather already had bad blood, I can see why Arum is so furious now and talking about fighting someone else. The only people Pac cant fight right now are Golden Boy fighters, because Richard Schaefer is saying these tests would apply to any of GB fighters against Pac. So GB is trying to black list Pacquiao, it's crazy. That includes Marquez and shane mosley, although the latter is the most ironic thing I've ever heard since shane was/is juicing.
 
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Want to see something ironic? Check this out:

Zab Judah asks Shane Mosley to agree to blood testing for drugs before welterweight fight

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=boxing&id=3311562

March 25, 2008


Richard Schaefer's response:

"Whatever tests they want them to take, Shane will submit to that. We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires. The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."

So ONE YEAR ago Golden Boy refused to have one of their own fighters, one I remind you was caught using steroids in the past, to submit blood tests in Nevada.
 
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^^IMO thats a lame excuss!!
You've obviously never had to give blood like that.

For the record, I am a Floyd Mayweather fan and wanted him to take, and win, this fight, but he's acting like a little bitch and I'm finding it very hard to support him right now. I felt PBF was the superior fighter, but it's becoming very clear that PBF himself doesn't think he's the superior fighter.

This is a lame ass attempt at backing out of this fight. If Money really wants this to happen, he should have to do the same tests and weaken himself like he wants to weaken Pacquiao. What's fair is fair.
 
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You've obviously never had to give blood like that.

For the record, I am a Floyd Mayweather fan and wanted him to take, and win, this fight, but he's acting like a little bitch and I'm finding it very hard to support him right now. I felt PBF was the superior fighter, but it's becoming very clear that PBF himself doesn't think he's the superior fighter.

This is a lame ass attempt at backing out of this fight. If Money really wants this to happen, he should have to do the same tests and weaken himself like he wants to weaken Pacquiao. What's fair is fair.
He's going to get the same blood test done.... It's not one sided both fighters will have the same drug testing done
 
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seen on the news malinagi might be pacs next fight?!?!? what a slap in the face!!! fuck'n guido jersey shore bitch. it wouldn't last one round! i'm not ordering that shit ama have to find a link.

as for mayweather. i guess normal boxing rules aren't good enough. all of a sudden he's an expert.

fuck it let mosley fuck him up then fight pacquiao i been wanting to see it that way too cause after his first loss he wouldn't take it the same way as if he lost before.

i'm starting to think golden boy (de la hoya) is talk'n shit cause he wants his fighter to get in the ring with him.

and lol at floyd trying to sound all humble in his interviews saying he has doubts and pac should take the test.

since when did floyd ever not had a big head over things???

pussy!
 
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all this bullshit thats going on right now is sooo good for boxing i mean the hype and drama surrounding this fight is only going to get bigger and bigger until march 13th fuck i love boxing!
 
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@Tragedy, Timothy Bradley is a possible opponent too, and a more likely one than Paulie. Bradley went on record to say he'll fight Pac on March 13th. Shane isn't an option since he has a fight on jan 30th.


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Golden Boy Viewed as Hypocrites in Pacquiao Test Fiasco


By Mark Vester

There are some who are claiming that Golden Boy Promotions are a bunch of hypocrites because of the recent situation with the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao bout. Golden Boy is representing Mayweather in the negotiations for a fight with Pacquiao on March 13.

Golden Boy/Mayweather have made a demand for random Olympic-style drug testing. They want the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to handle the random drug testing of both fighters. The USADA's procedures would subject both fighters to several random blood and urine tests. Pacquiao/Top Rank have refused those demands and see no reason for having a company like the USADA involved. Top Rank do not see a reason for Pacquiao to take numerous blood tests and as many as a dozen urine tests during the training camp.

The reason for the random drug tests? Richard Schaefer [CEO for Golden Boy] and Mayweather 's team see a simple reason for the tests. They want to make sure that both fighters are on an "even level playing field."

Golden Boy/Mayweather's team do not view the drug testing procedures of the Nevada State Athletic Commission as being substantial enough for their liking. Most believe their position for random drug tests are stemming from some of the comments that were made by Floyd Mayweather Sr, and a few others, who believe that Pacquiao is using performance enhancing drugs.

Even Golden Boy President Oscar De La Hoya lashed out at Pacquiao on his Ring Magazine Online blog. De La Hoya told Pacquiao “C’mon. It’s only a little bit of blood. If you have nothing to hide, then do the test."

Further, De La Hoya compared Pacquiao's punches to those of Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas. Mosley, during the BALCO trial, admitted to taking performance enhancing drugs before the 2003 rematch with De La Hoya. In 2002, Vargas tested positive for steroids when he failed a post-fight drug test for the grudge match with De La Hoya.

"Now I have to wonder about him. I’m saying to myself, ‘Wow. Those Mosley punches, those Vargas punches and those Pacquiao punches all felt the same.’ I’m not saying yes or no (about whether Pacquiao might be taking performance enhancing drugs); I’m just saying that now people have to wonder: “Why doesn’t he want to do this? Why is it such a big deal." De La Hoya.

Let's take a step back to March 2008, when Golden Boy Promotions was trying to put together a May pay-per-view fight between Shane Mosley and Zab Judah.

Judah and his team were demanding for Mosley to take an independent blood test before the planned May event. At least in the case of Mosley, there was some evidence to back up Judah's demand for an additional blood test outside of the required drug tests from the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Mosley did admit to inadvertently taking performance enhancing drugs before the 2003 rematch with De La Hoya.

For the record, Mosley was willing to take an independent blood test and any other tests that Judah's camp were demanding.

Also for the record, Golden Boy Promotions rejected Judah's demand for an independent blood test or any additional tests beyond those of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Schaefer told the Associated Press "We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires. The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."

I ask this. Why is Pacquiao, who never failed a single drug test or had any BALCO scandal hanging over his head, being treated like a cheater?


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Pacquiao Plans Legal Battle With Mayweathers, Golden Boy


By Mark Vester

According to a published report on Philboxing.com, WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao has ordered his promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank to file a lawsuit in the next few days against Floyd Mayweather Jr, Floyd Mayweather Sr and Golden Boy Promotions. According to Pacquiao, his character and person has been questioned, maligned, damaged and tarnished by baseless and false accusations

“Enough is enough. These people, Mayweather Sr., Jr., and Golden Boy Promotions, think it is a joke and a right to accuse someone wrongly of using steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs. I have tried to just brush it off as a mere pre-fight ploy but I think they have gone overboard,” said Pacquiao.

“I have instructed my promoter, Bob Arum, head of Top Rank Inc., to help me out in the filing of the case as soon as possible because I have had people coming over to me now asking if I really take performance-enhancing drugs and I have cheated my way into becoming the No. 1 boxer in the world."

“I maintain and assure everyone that I have not used any form or kind of steroids and that my way to the top is a result of hard work, hard work, hard work and a lot of blood spilled from my past battles in the ring, not outside of it..I have no idea what steroids look like and my fear in God has kept me safe and victorious through all these years.”

“Now, I say to Floyd Mayweather Jr., don’t be a coward and face me in the ring, mano-a-mano and shut your big, pretty mouth, so we can show the world who is the true king of the ring. To Floyd, despite all these accusations, may your Christmas be merry and I will see you in court, soon, too.”


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Bradley Ready For Pacquiao


By Robert Morales

WBO junior welterweight Timothy Bradley on Thursday said he would love to step in and take a shot at Pacquiao. Although Bradley's co-promoter, Gary Shaw, had said he would require the same testing of Pacquiao the Mayweather camp is asking for, Bradley said that is not the case and that he would be fine with the tests given by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and saw no reason for United States Anti-Doping Agency to be involved. The site is MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

"What is the commission for?" Bradley said to BoxingScene.com. "They're there and they're going to do their job and they're going to make sure no one is cheating. They take a (urinalysis) drug test before and after the fight. I think that's perfect."

Bradley, coming off a hard-fought but one-sided victory over Lamont Peterson, said he does not think Pacquiao has been using performance-enhancing drugs.

"He's just on top of his game," Bradley said.

BoxingScene has learned that Bradley is another name very high in the running [on Top Rank's list] to replace Mayweather on March 13.
 
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The problem with this though is it opens the flood gates.
Exactly. It's fucked up and not good for the sport. The tests are fine just the way they are, it's not like they're not catching anyone using illegal substances. People are getting busted every now and then, so the system is working out just fine the way it is. Fucking Mayweathers, man. (and GBP)
 
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@Tragedy, Timothy Bradley is a possible opponent too, and a more likely one than Paulie. Bradley went on record to say he'll fight Pac on March 13th. Shane isn't an option since he has a fight on jan 30th.


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Golden Boy Viewed as Hypocrites in Pacquiao Test Fiasco


By Mark Vester

There are some who are claiming that Golden Boy Promotions are a bunch of hypocrites because of the recent situation with the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao bout. Golden Boy is representing Mayweather in the negotiations for a fight with Pacquiao on March 13.

Golden Boy/Mayweather have made a demand for random Olympic-style drug testing. They want the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency to handle the random drug testing of both fighters. The USADA's procedures would subject both fighters to several random blood and urine tests. Pacquiao/Top Rank have refused those demands and see no reason for having a company like the USADA involved. Top Rank do not see a reason for Pacquiao to take numerous blood tests and as many as a dozen urine tests during the training camp.

The reason for the random drug tests? Richard Schaefer [CEO for Golden Boy] and Mayweather 's team see a simple reason for the tests. They want to make sure that both fighters are on an "even level playing field."

Golden Boy/Mayweather's team do not view the drug testing procedures of the Nevada State Athletic Commission as being substantial enough for their liking. Most believe their position for random drug tests are stemming from some of the comments that were made by Floyd Mayweather Sr, and a few others, who believe that Pacquiao is using performance enhancing drugs.

Even Golden Boy President Oscar De La Hoya lashed out at Pacquiao on his Ring Magazine Online blog. De La Hoya told Pacquiao “C’mon. It’s only a little bit of blood. If you have nothing to hide, then do the test."

Further, De La Hoya compared Pacquiao's punches to those of Shane Mosley and Fernando Vargas. Mosley, during the BALCO trial, admitted to taking performance enhancing drugs before the 2003 rematch with De La Hoya. In 2002, Vargas tested positive for steroids when he failed a post-fight drug test for the grudge match with De La Hoya.

"Now I have to wonder about him. I’m saying to myself, ‘Wow. Those Mosley punches, those Vargas punches and those Pacquiao punches all felt the same.’ I’m not saying yes or no (about whether Pacquiao might be taking performance enhancing drugs); I’m just saying that now people have to wonder: “Why doesn’t he want to do this? Why is it such a big deal." De La Hoya.

Let's take a step back to March 2008, when Golden Boy Promotions was trying to put together a May pay-per-view fight between Shane Mosley and Zab Judah.

Judah and his team were demanding for Mosley to take an independent blood test before the planned May event. At least in the case of Mosley, there was some evidence to back up Judah's demand for an additional blood test outside of the required drug tests from the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Mosley did admit to inadvertently taking performance enhancing drugs before the 2003 rematch with De La Hoya.

For the record, Mosley was willing to take an independent blood test and any other tests that Judah's camp were demanding.

Also for the record, Golden Boy Promotions rejected Judah's demand for an independent blood test or any additional tests beyond those of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Schaefer told the Associated Press "We are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires. The fact is Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one."

I ask this. Why is Pacquiao, who never failed a single drug test or had any BALCO scandal hanging over his head, being treated like a cheater?


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Pacquiao Plans Legal Battle With Mayweathers, Golden Boy


By Mark Vester

According to a published report on Philboxing.com, WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao has ordered his promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank to file a lawsuit in the next few days against Floyd Mayweather Jr, Floyd Mayweather Sr and Golden Boy Promotions. According to Pacquiao, his character and person has been questioned, maligned, damaged and tarnished by baseless and false accusations

“Enough is enough. These people, Mayweather Sr., Jr., and Golden Boy Promotions, think it is a joke and a right to accuse someone wrongly of using steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs. I have tried to just brush it off as a mere pre-fight ploy but I think they have gone overboard,” said Pacquiao.

“I have instructed my promoter, Bob Arum, head of Top Rank Inc., to help me out in the filing of the case as soon as possible because I have had people coming over to me now asking if I really take performance-enhancing drugs and I have cheated my way into becoming the No. 1 boxer in the world."

“I maintain and assure everyone that I have not used any form or kind of steroids and that my way to the top is a result of hard work, hard work, hard work and a lot of blood spilled from my past battles in the ring, not outside of it..I have no idea what steroids look like and my fear in God has kept me safe and victorious through all these years.”

“Now, I say to Floyd Mayweather Jr., don’t be a coward and face me in the ring, mano-a-mano and shut your big, pretty mouth, so we can show the world who is the true king of the ring. To Floyd, despite all these accusations, may your Christmas be merry and I will see you in court, soon, too.”


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Bradley Ready For Pacquiao


By Robert Morales

WBO junior welterweight Timothy Bradley on Thursday said he would love to step in and take a shot at Pacquiao. Although Bradley's co-promoter, Gary Shaw, had said he would require the same testing of Pacquiao the Mayweather camp is asking for, Bradley said that is not the case and that he would be fine with the tests given by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, and saw no reason for United States Anti-Doping Agency to be involved. The site is MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

"What is the commission for?" Bradley said to BoxingScene.com. "They're there and they're going to do their job and they're going to make sure no one is cheating. They take a (urinalysis) drug test before and after the fight. I think that's perfect."

Bradley, coming off a hard-fought but one-sided victory over Lamont Peterson, said he does not think Pacquiao has been using performance-enhancing drugs.

"He's just on top of his game," Bradley said.

BoxingScene has learned that Bradley is another name very high in the running [on Top Rank's list] to replace Mayweather on March 13.
thanks alot for the article. i was disgusted when i heard a malinagi replacement on the news last night. bradly would be a much more entertaining fight. i been following his career also.

and as for suing the mayweathers. i mentioned that on pacs myspace. i'm glad they are thinking about it.
 
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Pacquiao-Mayweather Compromise
by Jason Alcairo:

ESPN Boxing analyst Dan Rafael recently reported that the Manny Pacquiao camp is fully willing to submit to random drug tests if there is a cut off date of at least 2-4 days to a week. Should that be enough to save the fight? I think a majority of boxing fans would agree, yes it should be enough.

These tests can be conducted at any time. They could wake 7 Division champion up at 3 AM and stick him for a sample. I will go on the record as saying that if the Floyd Mayweather Jr. camp will not accept the sort of compromise like a cut off date within a week of the fight, I will label him as a ducker. Roach says they will accept random testing to a cut out date.
 
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Prior to the statement of Freddie Roach.
"Mayweather pressed for blood testing even up to the weigh-in. He knew that Manny gets freaked out when his blood gets taken and feels that it weakens him. This is just harassment and to me just signalled that he didn't want the fight."

Heres a video of the Manila Juicer taking a blood test without a flinch and without fear!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbmqay72a6o