Bob Arum Tells Floyd Mayweather, Schaefer: "Go To Hell!"

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So I can perfectly see where Pac is coming from, as I'm always woozy when I give blood and certainly wouldn't want to give blood just before the biggest fight of my life.
If you give a pint of blood away it will definitely fuck you up, you'll be laid out for days. But not from a tablespoon of blood, it doesn't do anything to you. I know this for a fact.

But either way, this fight better happen.
 
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^^I'm just sayin when I get my blood taken for blood tests when I go to the doctor (not donating blood) I get woozy. That's what I'm sayin. Any time any amount of blood is taken I feel light headed for a couple of hours.

So thats why I think 24 to 48 hours should be least amount of time from the actual fight.
 
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A man I don't like needles at all and guess what I don't have one tat... All that makes me we weak shit is for the birds. Thats a mind thing some people may have going on thinking they woozy thats understandable. But we talking one of the greatest fights with millions on the line. You have to do what you have to do. Pac-man is the best right so lets get that blood and get this fight on
 
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Bob Arum Blasts The US Anti Doping Agency

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum has blasted the US Anti Doping Agency for demanding that pound-for-pound king Manny Pacquiao undergo a total of seven random blood tests and twelve urine tests prior to the planned fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr in Las Vegas on March 13.

Arum said they are “propagandizing” and added “these people are crazy. We told them to take a walk.”

The top Rank promoter emphasized that Pacquiao is not against the tests while Pacquiao’s adviser Michael Koncz said the Filipino renowned as the “Hero of Asia” supported the efforts to keep all sports free of performance –enhancing drugs.

Arum disclosed he was prepared to allow “the same people that test the National Football League players and the National Basketball Association players among others to do the tests because they are used to dealing with professional athletes and they (Mayweather’s camp) refused.”

The Top Rank promoter who has steadfastly stood by their original position of allowing a blood test a day before the official press conference, one 30 days before the fight and a third in the dressing room immediately after the fight revealed that the same USADA which tested nearly 200 American athletes (boxers, swimmers and track and field athletes) before they went to the Olympic Games “took nil, zero, zero blood tests and they want to take seven from ourt little Filipino. Now what the hell is going on?”

Arum insisted “I am not going to allow it. I don’t care what kind of money there is or anything because this is an absolute outrage.”

Taking a dig at Mayweather who is being represented in the negotiations by Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, Arum said “our first position is let the Nevada State Athletic Commission recommend. Nobody appointed Mayweather as super Commissioner.”

He stressed that “if there is to be any pre-fight drug test it’s got to be done by a professional organization that has tested other professionals. I am not going to turn this over to the USADA.”

Arum said he could forsee what would happen if they agreed to the so-called Olympic-style drug testing. He said “they would spook Manny Pacquiao, they would be threatening him with drug tests here , drugs tests there and this kid has a phobia anyway for getting his blood and claims he lost the first (Erik) Morales fight because they took blood the week of the fight. I’m not going to let that happen, I promise.”

At the same time Arum claimed that a lot of doctors and scientists have said that urinalysis is much more accurate.
 
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Ellerbe: Mayweather Will Not Fight Unless Pacquiao Agrees

By Mark Vester

According to Leonard Ellerbe, adviser to Floyd Mayweather Jr, a fight with Manny Pacquiao will not happen unless Manny agrees to use the United States Anti Doping Agency for random Olympic-style drug testing. Per the rules of the USADA, both fighters would have to take 3 to 5 bloods test and 10 to 12 urine tests over a 10-week period. Pacquiao refuses to subject himself to random testing, which allows the USADA to test him numerous times during his training camp or even on the day of the fight. He will not agree to numerous blood tests during his camp. Pacquiao has already agreed to take three blood tests. One prior to the press conference on January 6, another on February 13 [30-days before the fight] and the third would happen in the dressing room when the fight was over. Pacquiao has yet to agree to take any blood tests within the 30-day window of the fight.

Ellerbe told Bill Simonson on "The Huge Show" that Mayweather did not request these tests. The request was made by Ellerbe and Mayweather adviser Al Haymon. He doesn't see why Pacquiao is refusing agree to the drug testing terms, unless the Filipino fighter has something to hide.

"It wasn't Floyd at all. I have the responsibility to put him in the best situation to be successful," Ellerbe said. "I'm not making any accusations or allegations when it comes to Manny Pacquiao but this is something we're putting in place. We feel the fans and the sport deserve a level playing field."

"They're backed up against the wall. Either they're going to step up to the plate and do this, or my guy's not stepping up into the ring and fighting. With it being the biggest fight in the history of the sport, what better opportunity for both fighters to take a stand?"

"All money ain't good money. When it comes to people's livelihood, there's no price you can put on that. There are other opportunities out there for Floyd beyond Manny Pacquiao. If you have nothing to hide, why not subject yourself to this testing?"
 
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As much as i believe Manny is not even close to being the best fighter i know hes not on roids. However if he doesnt get tested then that will forever leave doubt in everyones mind including mine. Hes seems way to humble of a person to be doing something like that but if if he was then he be falling off worse then Tiger Woods even though its obviously 2 totally different situations.
 
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A man I don't like needles at all and guess what I don't have one tat... All that makes me we weak shit is for the birds. Thats a mind thing some people may have going on thinking they woozy thats understandable. But we talking one of the greatest fights with millions on the line. You have to do what you have to do. Pac-man is the best right so lets get that blood and get this fight on
again, pac is willing to give blood. That's not an issue. Pacquiao doesn't want to give blood days before the fight or on the day of the fight. He will give blood immediately after the fight as well. That's the issue. Pacquiao isn't refusing to give blood but just not under these circumstances.

Further, the Neveda Sate Athletics commision has been drug testing for 40 years. 40 years. Vargas, James Toney, Roy Jones etc etc etc have all been caught using roids under these types of tests. Never in the history of the sport has the Olympic doping agency ever had to get involved. This is crazy by floyd, it's mind games, and a way to try and make pac look bad.

IN ADDITION, why would FLOYD turn DOWN the offer by Bob Arum, which is to have the agencies that test the NFL and the NBA?!? What is the real issue here? Is floyd all of a sudden a super commisionor of boxing, where he sets all the rules? Absolutely not. Pacquiao and co have compromised, they are willing to have the best doping agencies that test the NFL, NBA and MLB so what is the hold up? They test for HGH and all that as well. Pac's whole thing is he doesn't want to give blood the day or two before he fights or on the day of the fight, which the Olympic doping agency cannot guarantee will not occur. Pacquiao is not a lone there, as there have been many athletes that complained about being tested four times within days of their compitition (cant recall the name but an olympic runner last year complained he felt very weakened by four blood tests on the day of the race and in the couple days prior. The compromise is completely fair and goes leaps and bounds above the normal drug testing that is done in pro boxing.

 
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If you give a pint of blood away it will definitely fuck you up, you'll be laid out for days. But not from a tablespoon of blood, it doesn't do anything to you. I know this for a fact.

But either way, this fight better happen.
How could you know this for a fact?

Everyone is different man. I see some people at work who get ill and pass out after having simple blood work done. Its more common than you think.

There is a reason why they have the gurney styled lab chairs, and those are for the patients who routinely get ill during blood draws.


We won't know for sure whether or not it affects his performance, but it wouldn't be the first time he's claimed a blood draw has affected his performance. Manny doesn't complain much, if ever, but he did mention not feeling right after having to submit a blood sample on the day of one of his fights a few years back (might've been the first Morales fight) correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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^^it was the first morales fight which he lost. He claimed he felt week during the fight and he thought it was possibly due to the blood tests the day prior to the fight. Whether or not blood tests can effect your physical performance is unkown, but what is known is that it can effect one mentally, as shown with the Olympic runner who said he felt very weakened by the blood tests and complained quite vocally about the whole matter (and he won the race so it clearly wasn't used as an excuse).
 
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again, pac is willing to give blood. That's not an issue. Pacquiao doesn't want to give blood days before the fight or on the day of the fight. He will give blood immediately after the fight as well. That's the issue. Pacquiao isn't refusing to give blood but just not under these circumstances.

Further, the Neveda Sate Athletics commision has been drug testing for 40 years. 40 years. Vargas, James Toney, Roy Jones etc etc etc have all been caught using roids under these types of tests. Never in the history of the sport has the Olympic doping agency ever had to get involved. This is crazy by floyd, it's mind games, and a way to try and make pac look bad.

IN ADDITION, why would FLOYD turn DOWN the offer by Bob Arum, which is to have the agencies that test the NFL and the NBA?!? What is the real issue here? Is floyd all of a sudden a super commisionor of boxing, where he sets all the rules? Absolutely not. Pacquiao and co have compromised, they are willing to have the best doping agencies that test the NFL, NBA and MLB so what is the hold up? They test for HGH and all that as well. Pac's whole thing is he doesn't want to give blood the day or two before he fights or on the day of the fight, which the Olympic doping agency cannot guarantee will not occur. Pacquiao is not a lone there, as there have been many athletes that complained about being tested four times within days of their compitition (cant recall the name but an olympic runner last year complained he felt very weakened by four blood tests on the day of the race and in the couple days prior. The compromise is completely fair and goes leaps and bounds above the normal drug testing that is done in pro boxing.

Three days before is coo but the day of is crazy I can understand that...
 
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There you have it, Manny is willing to take the test ANY time but the actual day of the fight. Floyd is a pussy


Pacquiao Blasts Mayweather

a summary of the story that appeared at abs-cbnnews today [http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/12...xcuses-excuses ]

MANILA - Pound-for-pound kingpin Manny Pacquiao believes that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is scared of him.

The seven-time world champion said the rigorous drug testing demands made by Mayweather's camp are just an excuse by the American to avoid their bout.

He stressed that he is willing to undertake any blood test to clear allegations regarding steroid use. However, he added that the test should not be made on the day of the fight because it will weaken him.

Top Rank boss Bob Arum said the scheduled March 13 fight between Pacquiao and Mayweather has been called off to protect his Filipino ward.

"I will not allow Manny to be made like a fool and pushed around by Mayweather," he said. "We don't trust them anymore. Mayweather never had any intention to fight Pacquiao and he's looking for a way out and to smear Manny's image as somebody who takes drugs."

Pacquiao's translated direct quotes

Pacquiao says:

"Let's require all even blood tests, but not on the day of the fight itself, it will weaken you."

"He's just making excuses and strategies to get me mad so i'll be distracted on the fight"

"I don't have any problems fighting him, if he's on it then let's fight but if he's a little scared then he needs to man up"

"He (PBF) got a lot of reasons, he got a lot of demands, the fight is not yet signed, but now he's scared."
 
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How could you know this for a fact?

Everyone is different man. I see some people at work who get ill and pass out after having simple blood work done. Its more common than you think.

There is a reason why they have the gurney styled lab chairs, and those are for the patients who routinely get ill during blood draws.


We won't know for sure whether or not it affects his performance, but it wouldn't be the first time he's claimed a blood draw has affected his performance. Manny doesn't complain much, if ever, but he did mention not feeling right after having to submit a blood sample on the day of one of his fights a few years back (might've been the first Morales fight) correct me if I'm wrong.
Well yeah thats true, whats in bold didn't even cross my mind.

One thing I do know, you will never catch me donating large amounts of blood ever again.
 
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De La Hoya: ”If you have nothing to hide, then do the test, Pacquiao”

By Liam Santiago: Mexican-American legend, Oscar De La Hoya has blasted Manny Pacquiao for refusing blood tests. De La Hoya said in an article at Ring.tv, ”If Pacquiao, the toughest guy on the planet, is afraid of needles and having a few tablespoons of blood drawn from his system, then something is wrong. The guy has tattoos everywhere; he’s tattooed from top to bottom. You’re telling me he’s afraid of needles?”

This is so true. Pacquiao even tattooed one his tattoo’s himself. How did he do that with his fear of needles? Oscar also said, ”C’mon. It’s only a little bit of blood. If you have nothing to hide, then do the test. And the idea that urine tests can detect HGH [Human Growth Hormone] is wrong. I talked to Travis Tygart, CEO of the USADA. He testified before Congress that anyone who says HGH can be detected by a urine test is mistaken. It can only be detected by a blood test.”

”So you have to do the blood work. If Pacquiao doesn’t want to do this and risk a possible $40-million payday because he’s afraid of needles or believes he’ll be weakened by blood tests, then that raises question marks. Now I have to wonder about him. I’m saying to myself, ‘Wow. Those Mosley punches, those Vargas punches and those Pacquiao punches all felt the same.’ I’m not saying yes or no [about whether Pacquiao might be taking performance-enhancing drugs] I’m just saying that now people have to wonder: ‘Why doesn’t he want to do this? Why is it such a big deal. A lot of eyebrows have been raised. This is not good at all.”

” I believe Mayweather wants to do the right thing, to get tested properly. He’s not doing it to harass Pacquiao; that’s garbage. I would say to Pacquiao: ‘Do the test. Do it because it’s only a couple of tablespoons. Needles don’t hurt. Just look away when they put the needle in your arm. He’ll probably lose more blood in the fight than the blood being drawn for the test.
 
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oscar is an idiot. As stated a million times, Pacquiao is willing to give blood, just not the day of the fight.

And oscar said after the pacquiao fight "pacquiao doesn't punch hard" and "I was hoping he would just finish me off and knock me out but his punches were not hard at all just fast" now he says they were as hard as Mosley & Vargas? lol which one is it oscar?

Further, kind of shady on his part to throw his business partner's name under the buss like that, I mean Mosley was caught using roids and yet oscar promotes him?! the fuck out of here
 
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Marquez and ALL Golden Boy fighters also want Pacquiao to take a blood test

By Liam Santiago: If World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao wants to get out of fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr. and turn to a rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez or any Golden Boy fighter he will be have to provide random blood tests, as Mayweather demanded. That includes Bernard Hopkins in case Pac Man is thinking of jumping to 175 to clear out the division.

According to boxing scene, Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy Promotions told them that any Golden Boy fighter would demand the olympic style testing. However, I would not expect Pacquiao to fight Marquez again. Marquez gave him an a**e whooping in their first two bouts. I expect him to fight Yuri Foreman or some nobody.
 
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Don’t be shy Pacquiao – take the blood tests

By Liam Santiago: I find it very difficult to fighter like Manny Pacquiao who is used to such sever beatings like the ones Juan Manuel Marquez gave him, is afraid of a little blood test, especially when the test could generate a total amount of $70 million. Mayweather does not want to send Pacquiao to the moon. He just wants a fair fight. Is that really so bad? Also, I can not understand why on every boxing news forum, almost every fan is pinning the blame for what could be the cancellation of this bout on Mayweather. Pacquiao is at fault if this fight does not happen.

As the great Manuel Perez stated, it was fine for Pacquiao to call the shots against Cotto, demanding the champion boiled down an extra two pounds, but now Roach wants to play it fair. Roach said to 8count news, ”Well the sanctioning bodies and the state commissions run the boxing world, not Floyd Mayweather. We fight for the state commission, since when does the fighter make up the rules”.

Read that last sentence again. ”Since when does the fighter make up the rules”. Good point Roach. What gave you the right to demand that Miguel Cotto took an extra two pound off? What gave you the right to demand automatic DQ for Cotto in a case of an illegal low blow against Cotto?

I find it very silly that Pacquiao’s team has stated that they would accept a blood test after the fight. The whole point of these tests is to make sure the fight is fair. It is pointless finding out if Pacquiao has been juicing up after he has knocked Mayweather out. Pacquiao could beat Mayweather, then get found for juicing up after the fight, then retire and he would be a very happy man.

If this fight doesn’t happen, Roach said Pacquiao will instead fight Yuri Foreman. WOW! What a blockbuster! Not! Beating Foreman might give Pacquiao his 978th belt in 54 divisions or whatever it is, but no one wants to see that fight. What about Shane Mosley, Andre Berto or Timothy Bradley?

Floyd Mayweather Jnr said in a statement, ”In a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level”. Exactly. Your an athlete Pacquiao. If you are afraid of a little blood maybe you should try another sport. How about chess? Or tennis?

To be honest, I do not care weather this fight happens or not, because I already know what the outcome would be. Floyd by UD. But I have lost all respect for the Pac Man.
 
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^^lol @ quoting Manuel Perez, that guy is the biggest pacquiao hater on the planet. What shitty website does he write for again?

He said cotto would destroy pacquiao in 3, hatton would knock him out in 5, oscar would kill him and the list goes on and on and on. He is a joke
 
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Pac-man is going to have to do the random blood test. If he doesn't he might never fight again. Every boxing promoter and fighter is going to ask for blood now from him. Fearing that he really might be juicing.. I know he said he would give blood but he's going to have to give blood the day of. Thats if pac-man is trying to fight another boxing match