Bill Cosby: Blacks can't speak English

Deep Thought · Jun 10, 2004

H, I hear what you are saying, but "we" created this beast. And surely we do NOTHING to slow or impede it in any fashion. The "Man" may own the networks, parent lables, and big movie studios, but we provide the product in earnest -without remorse or guilt.

Don't get it twisted, I believe in AA as a necessary "evil", but at some point we have to stop blaming the refs and start making plays. What if they never call an "even" game? Are we to just sit and bitch for an eternity? Fuckin A, we'd never get nowhere. Bitch if you want to, hell I do, but make some plays and at least leave it on the floor if for no one's sake but your own.

And your children who are watching.

Ethereal · Jun 19, 2004

EDJ said:

FoeTwin said:

That link is just one kids warped view on racism. He does not speak for all white people, obviously. A lot of white people will speak down on other whites because they feel the need to be respected by minorities, as was in this case, at least I believe.

EDJ · Jun 19, 2004

NITRO,
YOU STRESSED, "That link is just one kids warped view on racism. He does not speak for all white people, obviously. A lot of white people will speak down on other whites because they feel the need to be respected by minorities, as was in this case, at least I believe."

A KID WROTE THAT? TIME WISE IS A KID? HOW IS HIS VIEW WARPED? SO YOU SAYIN' THAT OTHA WHITES WANNA BE DOWN WITH MINORITIES THAT THEY DOWN THEIR OWN ON g.P? SO WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO BE RESPECTED BY MINORITIES? YOU SAYIN' OUR RESPECT DON'T MEAN SHIT? YOU SAYIN' IF WHITES PLAY THE PART OF BEIN' PROUD TO BE WHITE AND DON'T AgREE THAT RACIAL SLURS USED AgAINST WHITES CARRY NO WEIgHT, VERSUS THE HISTORICALLY DAMAgIN' ONES USED FOR NUBIAN FOLKS AS WELL AS OTHA MINORITIES, THAT THE SHIT IS EQUALLY DAMAgIN' AND PERCEIVED IN THIS SOCIETY AS SUCH?

Ethereal · Jun 19, 2004

EDJ said:

I based that remark on my interpretation of the article, and how misinformed I thought it was. He based an opinion of the white race on what he has saw with his own eyes, with only a few incidents to back it up. I could compile enough evidence to say something completely the opposite.

EDJ said:

Yes; some do it for attention, some do it for respect. They want a black man to look at them and say, "my god, you do understand". I'm not saying this is the case for everyone speaking down on whites, because lets face it, there is a lot to say about them, but I can't help but notice it after reading this article.

EDJ said:

Huh? Respect is respect, doesn't matter where it comes from.

EDJ said:

It's all in the taker EDJ. Racial slurs geared towards blacks do have an overall more harmful effect, but to one white kid it might be the same way. I think upper-class white kids could care less what you call them because they are sittin' high and pretty as it stands, but to a middle-lower class white boy, who might not appear to have it any easier in life then you do, he might pull out a gun. If a white person says that racial slurs towards whites carry no weight, then I would simply say that this specific person has no problem taking in racial slurs, but he does not represent the white race (as exeplafied in the FoeTwin quote).

EDJ · Jun 21, 2004

NITRO,

YOU STRESSED, "I based that remark on my interpretation of the article, and how misinformed I thought it was."

THE KEY WORDS ARE "MY" AND "I". YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEBODY THAT READS THE BIBLE. SO WHAT IS THE MISINFORMATION HERE?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "He based an opinion of the white race on what he has saw with his own eyes, with only a few incidents to back it up."

ISN'T EXPERIENCE THE gRANDEST EDUCATOR? BUT HE MADE HIS POINT AND IT WAS SOLID.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I could compile enough evidence to say something completely the opposite."

CAN YOU? ALRIgHT, HANLIT(HANDLE IT). LET'S SEE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Yes; some do it for attention, some do it for respect. They want a black man to look at them and say, "my god, you do understand"."

UNDA-STAND WHAT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I'm not saying this is the case for everyone speaking down on whites, because lets face it, there is a lot to say about them, but I can't help but notice it after reading this article."

SO YOU SAYIN' A BLAK MAN'S RESPECT(AMONg OTHAS) IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY "NUT-RIDE" TO THE POINT THEY DISRESPECT THEMSELVES? YOU SAYIN' THAT THE POINTS AIN'T VALID EVEN IF BROUgHT WITH INTELLIgENCE?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's all in the taker EDJ. Racial slurs geared towards blacks do have an overall more harmful effect, but to one white kid it might be the same way."

HOW'S THAT? PLEASE EXPLAIN AND ELABORATE. BE SURE TO INCLUDE HISTORICAL, DEMOgRAPHICAL, AND SOCIAL INCIDENTS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I think upper-class white kids could care less what you call them because they are sittin' high and pretty as it stands, but to a middle-lower class white boy, who might not appear to have it any easier in life then you do, he might pull out a gun.

ARE MY EYES DECIEVIN' ME? NITRO JUST SAID "WHITEBOY" AND DIDN'T EVEN QUOTE IT. YOU MUST WANT MY RESPECT. LOL SOMEBODY LIKE THAT THOUgH IS JUST EXTRA SENSITIVE, CAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON FOR HIS ACTIONS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "If a white person says that racial slurs towards whites carry no weight, then I would simply say that this specific person has no problem taking in racial slurs, but he does not represent the white race (as exeplafied in the FoeTwin quote)."

I DISAgREE. I DONE SEEN IT TIME AND AgAIN. A WHITEBOY WILL NOT LOAK UP 9 TIMES OUT OF TEN WHEN BEIN' REFERENCED SOMETHIN'.

THA RIPPA · Jun 21, 2004

*APPLAUDS DEEP THOUGHT*

Deep Thought · Jun 21, 2004

Thanks for readin 'RIPPA.

Ethereal · Jun 22, 2004

EDJ said:

That "white people" take racial slurs and hold no resentment.

EDJ said:

Possibly, but his expierences are a pebble in a sandbox. I can't argue that he has no grounds to make those comments, because you're right, they are his expierences, but mine are different and so is my outlook.

EDJ said:

My expierence alone conflict with much of what he said. I've seen white people loc up on some black folks for saying some racial shit.

EDJ said:

The black struggle.

EDJ said:

Yes and no. White people would "disrespect" themselves (though I wouldn't use that word). But no, if it is an informed opinion with research and expierence, then it is not the case. I'm just saying you have to read between the lines. I think this guy is looking for blacks to relate to what he said, and in return be looked up upon by blacks all over. I could be wrong, but I'm just stating my opinion.

EDJ said:

Because we are all individuals, and our mentality is built not by a "white" or "black" gene, but by our expierences in life and more importantly our upbringing. The guy who wrote that article might have been raised in a manner that he would take racial slurs lightly whereas someone from Georgia or Mississippi might kill you for saying the wrong shit. Take a look at how different white people are from one another; you have the Klu Klux Klan and you have "wiggers" which you addressed in your "Degrees of wiggaism" thread. based on these difference alone we have to understand that there is no common link between white people other then the color of their skin, and with this understding we must acknowledge that each and every white person in this country is an individual and free to make his own decision, whteher that be take the term "honkey" and laughing, or pulling out a weapon.

One expierence alone: Me and some of my friends went to the water slides in Manteca (for my company picnic) and we were clogging up the slides. The person behind whoever was last to go down was a black chick, she started screaming at us before she ran into the bunch. We let go and all went down the slide. We all got out and walked up to dry land, and I notice there were some black dudes waiting for her. She got out, started yelling to the guard "these white mutha fuckas tryin to clog up the slide", my boy went up right to her face and asked her "what the fuck did you just say? say it again... huh?" not a damn peep from her, or her boys. The guard kicked us out, made us leave through the gate, so we started leaving. The black guys started throwing up their hands like they had funk... that was until the guard realized we couldn't exit through that gate, so he let us back in and dudes threw down their hands and walked away. Was this all neccesary? Probably not. But my boy took what she said to the heart and felt disrespected, and believe me if anyone had funk, he was waitin to throw some hot ones. The point of the story is that you can *never* make the assumption like this guy "timewise" did, made up of so very few expierences, because people are different all over the world. You have white people wearing white hoods, and you have white people joining the million man march. You have white jocks, and white hillbillies. To say "white people..." when discussing issues on racism is never going to go work.

EDJ said:

Thats all circumstantial. I could say the same thing about black people. In fact, there is a thread where black people on this board said they would take racial slurs and either question them, laugh at them, or return with racial slurs. It all depends on the situation and the circumstances surrounding it.

Bri · Jun 22, 2004

Once again Bill Cosby speaks the truth. It is a shame that we couldn't take this from his first words and that he had to provide a second explanation, when he's saying the same thing.

Like the old folks say, the truth hurts.

EDJ · Jun 23, 2004

NITRO,
I AgREE WITH WHAT YOU STRESSIN'. IN MY PERCEPTION(ALONg WITH ALL MY FOLKS) IT'S STILL 9 TIMES OUT OF TEN. BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL, WHAT THEY WILL ACCEPT OR NOT.

up2nogood · Jun 23, 2004

DAMN>>>...

Ethereal · Jul 2, 2004

Follow up: Cosby returns with more criticism on the black community.

"For me there is a time ... when we have to turn the mirror around," he said. "Because for me it is almost analgesic to talk about what the white man is doing against us. And it keeps a person frozen in their seat, it keeps you frozen in your hole you're sitting in."

"Dogs, water hoses that tear the bark off trees, Emmett Till," he said, naming the black youth who was tortured and murdered in Mississippi in 1955, allegedly for whistling at a white woman. "And you're going to tell me you're going to drop out of school? You're going to tell me you're going to steal from a store?"

All I can say is, Amen. Aside from the beating of wives, this is some of the realest shit I've read in a while. And the point I was trying to make earlier - these comments were met with applause, now what if I said the same thing in front of the same crowd.

Rest of article here.

EDJ · Jul 2, 2004

I READ THAT ARTICLE. I AgREE WITH MOST OF WHAT COSBY IS STRESSIN', BUT TO EQUATE SLANg WITH LAK EDUCATION IS NOT 100% FACT. I'M LIVIN' PROOF.

Ethereal · Jul 2, 2004

I agree, but how many doctors or lawyers have you seen talking in ebonics?

TOKZTLI · Jul 2, 2004

At some point you have to stop talking/acting ignorant and start acting educated is what BC is trying to get across, in my opinion.

phil · Jul 2, 2004

EDJ said:

youre absolutely right and i agree with you to a certain extent but youre taking it the wrong way edj. its just that its plain fact youre not going to get a good job (in most instances) talking slang. so in exchange for keeping it real, for the sake of the black race, if you need to be slangless to advance yourself and your people then do so for the time being. just hang in there. if someone labels you uncle tom, then so be it. what bill is getting at is that blacks arent going anywhere speaking ebonics.

phil · Jul 2, 2004

might not know it, or are groomed through life not to care.

Ethereal · Jul 2, 2004

The thing that is most detrimental is that blacks might not know this, rather then just not wanting to speak "properly". There is more then just slang keeping the unemployment rates up in black communities, but it is a major start to learn these principles.

Tenkamenin · Jul 3, 2004

Well I agree with what Cosby said but then again the school systems are poor in most inner city schools.

What I find interesting is that a lot of yall agree with what Cosby has to say but some of yall support the same rappers Cosby is bashing. How does that work? Just wondering? And if some of your favorite rappers starting rapping in proper english and left a lot of there dirty lyrics behind would you support it?

TOKZTLI · Jul 6, 2004

Tenkamenin said:

Well I agree with what Cosby said but then again the school systems are poor in most inner city schools.

What I find interesting is that a lot of yall agree with what Cosby has to say but some of yall support the same rappers Cosby is bashing. How does that work? Just wondering? And if some of your favorite rappers starting rapping in proper english and left a lot of there dirty lyrics behind would you support it?

THAT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT.

Bill Cosby: Blacks can't speak English

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