Bernard Hopkins vs Chad Dawson [Staples Center]
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THE RING Light-Heavy championship wont change hands.....yet
THE RING Magazine light heavyweight belt will not change hands, pending the California State Athletic Commission’s ruling on a protest filed on behalf of Bernard Hopkins.
Chad Dawson was awarded a second-round TKO victory over Hopkins after THE RING and WBC titleholder was sent to the canvas by a shoulder shove and dislocated a joint in his left shoulder Saturday night in Los Angeles.
The shove was not ruled a foul by referee Pat Russell, who declared Dawson the winner because Hopkins couldn't continue.
Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, who represents Hopkins, said he plans to file an appeal with the commission. He believes the shove was an obvious foul and that the fight should’ve been declared a no-contest.
George Dodd, executive officer of the commission, said the appeal will be heard at its next meeting, on Dec. 13 in Los Angeles.
One reason THE RING decided to wait is that many observers seem to agree with Schaefer.
For example, more than two thirds (68.1 percent) of voters in a ******.com poll believe the shove should’ve been ruled a foul. And a number of leading boxing writers at ringside Saturday – including ESPN’s Dan Rafael – believe Russell made the wrong call.
Rafael Tweeted on Monday: “The more I watch the replay of the end of @THEREALBHOP fight the more I am convinced the result should and will be overturned.”
Plus, while Dodd believes Russell did nothing wrong, he did acknowledge that Russell was positioned off Dawson’s left shoulder. Dawson used his right shoulder to shove Hopkins, which means Russell might not have had the best perspective.
“Pat ruled it incidental contact; he didn’t rule it a foul,” Dodd said. “That was based on where he was at in relation to what happened. He couldn’t call what he didn’t see. He was on the other side of whatever happened.
“… Now the commission will take the necessary steps to maintain the integrity of the fight.”
The commission has overturned the result of fights in the past.
One example is the James Toney-Hasim Rahman rematch in 2008. Toney was awarded a third-round TKO victory when Rahman couldn’t continue because of a cut over his left eye, the result of an accidental clash of heads. The commission later declared the bout a no-contest.
Another example is Timothy Bradley-Nate Campbell in 2009. Bradley was awarded a third-round TKO when Campbell was cut, which the referee said resulted from a punch. The commission later reversed the decision and declared a no-contest, ruling a clash of heads caused the cut.
THE RING Magazine light heavyweight belt will not change hands, pending the California State Athletic Commission’s ruling on a protest filed on behalf of Bernard Hopkins.
Chad Dawson was awarded a second-round TKO victory over Hopkins after THE RING and WBC titleholder was sent to the canvas by a shoulder shove and dislocated a joint in his left shoulder Saturday night in Los Angeles.
The shove was not ruled a foul by referee Pat Russell, who declared Dawson the winner because Hopkins couldn't continue.
Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, who represents Hopkins, said he plans to file an appeal with the commission. He believes the shove was an obvious foul and that the fight should’ve been declared a no-contest.
George Dodd, executive officer of the commission, said the appeal will be heard at its next meeting, on Dec. 13 in Los Angeles.
One reason THE RING decided to wait is that many observers seem to agree with Schaefer.
For example, more than two thirds (68.1 percent) of voters in a ******.com poll believe the shove should’ve been ruled a foul. And a number of leading boxing writers at ringside Saturday – including ESPN’s Dan Rafael – believe Russell made the wrong call.
Rafael Tweeted on Monday: “The more I watch the replay of the end of @THEREALBHOP fight the more I am convinced the result should and will be overturned.”
Plus, while Dodd believes Russell did nothing wrong, he did acknowledge that Russell was positioned off Dawson’s left shoulder. Dawson used his right shoulder to shove Hopkins, which means Russell might not have had the best perspective.
“Pat ruled it incidental contact; he didn’t rule it a foul,” Dodd said. “That was based on where he was at in relation to what happened. He couldn’t call what he didn’t see. He was on the other side of whatever happened.
“… Now the commission will take the necessary steps to maintain the integrity of the fight.”
The commission has overturned the result of fights in the past.
One example is the James Toney-Hasim Rahman rematch in 2008. Toney was awarded a third-round TKO victory when Rahman couldn’t continue because of a cut over his left eye, the result of an accidental clash of heads. The commission later declared the bout a no-contest.
Another example is Timothy Bradley-Nate Campbell in 2009. Bradley was awarded a third-round TKO when Campbell was cut, which the referee said resulted from a punch. The commission later reversed the decision and declared a no-contest, ruling a clash of heads caused the cut.
x-ray shows what was reported - the dislocated joint in his shoulder.
he had an MRI yesterday and the results will be in on Friday.
Full ESPN article here: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7121198/bernard-hopkins-gets-mri-shoulder-files-appeal-dq-win
Apparently they are appealing this to be a DQ win, not just a No Contest. Hopkins says after reviewing the tape, and how dawson lifted him up with his hand under his leg means it was flagrant, therefore should be a DQ.
MY only concern with that is if they are appealing for a DQ win, the commission may not see it as such a flagrant and deny it, whereas if they appeal for a No Contest, they would probably agree with that.
he had an MRI yesterday and the results will be in on Friday.
Full ESPN article here: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7121198/bernard-hopkins-gets-mri-shoulder-files-appeal-dq-win
Apparently they are appealing this to be a DQ win, not just a No Contest. Hopkins says after reviewing the tape, and how dawson lifted him up with his hand under his leg means it was flagrant, therefore should be a DQ.
MY only concern with that is if they are appealing for a DQ win, the commission may not see it as such a flagrant and deny it, whereas if they appeal for a No Contest, they would probably agree with that.
It really depends on how the commision handles appeals. If it's a one shot kind of deal, where the commision says it is one or the other then he may not get it. However, if it's a case where you can have multiple appeals/grievences all in one, and the commision has the option to select one (if they are going to rule in his favor), it makes sense.
So you're doubting the powers of the commision. Remember, they are the commision, and unless they have something in the books stating they will never overturn a judges/refs descision (which I seriously doubt based on history and what commisions actually do) they can overturn it. I can't find the one for CA, but I have some for a couple of other places and in each one they make it very clear (has it's own code/section) that they can overturn a ruling.
BTW, you can easily find these in PDF format on the web.
Anyway, if they can't overturn it why does he have the right to appeal?
Wrong. Refer to the link I previously provided you with.
That is one of the purposes/duties of the commision, to over ride human judgement that has been made in error. However, the rules have made it clear as to how a ref should call it in this instance so it is in black and white.
See above.
Days ago I broke it down and here is an article on ESPN basically stating the same thing I've been saying for pages now:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/stor...r-bernard-hopkins-chad-dawson-result-appealed
What I'm about to quote comes from the PRESIDENT of the WBC.
Again, this goes back to what I said pages ago, were the actions of Dawson a "legal blow?" If it wasn't a "blow" can getting the guy off his back be considered the progression of the fight? If the answer is yes to any of these two it goes in Chads favor but then you have a hurdle, why wasn't Hopkins allowed to continue when he said he could continue with one arm?
BTW, you can easily find these in PDF format on the web.
Anyway, if they can't overturn it why does he have the right to appeal?
Wrong. Refer to the link I previously provided you with.
That is one of the purposes/duties of the commision, to over ride human judgement that has been made in error. However, the rules have made it clear as to how a ref should call it in this instance so it is in black and white.
See above.
Days ago I broke it down and here is an article on ESPN basically stating the same thing I've been saying for pages now:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/stor...r-bernard-hopkins-chad-dawson-result-appealed
What I'm about to quote comes from the PRESIDENT of the WBC.
Again, this goes back to what I said pages ago, were the actions of Dawson a "legal blow?" If it wasn't a "blow" can getting the guy off his back be considered the progression of the fight? If the answer is yes to any of these two it goes in Chads favor but then you have a hurdle, why wasn't Hopkins allowed to continue when he said he could continue with one arm?
what has been overturned in boxing lately?!??
I don't think Dawson should become champ like that, that's not a win that's some weird/fluke shit.
I don't think anyone even wants to see a rematch regardless with who ends up with the belts. Dawson wants Pascal. Hopkins should have one last fight maybe Cloud or Zolt or whomever then call it a career.
I don't think Dawson should become champ like that, that's not a win that's some weird/fluke shit.
I don't think anyone even wants to see a rematch regardless with who ends up with the belts. Dawson wants Pascal. Hopkins should have one last fight maybe Cloud or Zolt or whomever then call it a career.
after like every fight theres alwayz talking were going to protest to the commision the wbc who ever.... even richard scheafer protesting the linares fight come on....thatz why theres this thing in boxing called rematch....i think hopkins should of got up. fight with one arm like a warrior if he got k.o'd hey he gave the people they moneys worth after that rematch fans would be glad to pay for a rematch cuz that mothafuker a warrior....cuz with out the paying fans there would be no boxing. most fighters think only about them self not the fans that pay them!