Bernard Hopkins vs Chad Dawson [Staples Center]

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^^well for what's it worth hopkins did say to the ref he would fight with one arm but the ref said "no you can't" and waived it off.

Protests happen all the time in boxing, but rarely anything ever happens. I mean, Lara vs Paul Williams was one of the worst robberies I've ever seen in my entire life, and the only thing that happened was the judges got suspended. Williams still got the Win and Lara still got the Loss.

If anything, I WISH whatever boxing commission being state or the alphabet organizations did MORE to overturn crappy outcomes. No one wants a robbery. No one wants someone crowned champ off a fluky, bizarre occurrence. etc.

What happened with Dawson vs Hopkins was bullshit, period. Part of the blame goes to Dawson, part of the blame goes to Hopkins, part of the blame goes to the ref. It sucked for everyone who paid to see that fight via live or PPV. Big time. Boxing took another black eye and everyones reputation (hopkins, dawson, boxing in general) was effected negatively. But with that said, no one won that fight. 1.5 rounds of feeling eachother out....there's no winner. Rule it a No Contest, pretend like nothing ever happened and move on.
 
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I don't feel like reading through the thread but that's a pretty bad call from an otherwise top notch referee. Whether people believe Hopkins was injured or not is a non issue as he was deemed unable to continue from a foul. It's no different than a head butt causing a doctor stoppage cut before 4 rounds of fighting concludes and it should be ruled a no contest.

The fact that a large and "respected" commission such as California hasn't adopted NSAC's instant replay for foul rules is a shame. This would be a non discussion at the moment.
 

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I couldn't see it even then. The rules are clear as day on this and they should be followed.
I hear you bruh but I meant like if he was ahead on the scorecards going into round 10.

I'm reading that the decision has been overturned and Hopkins is still champ.
 

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It's been confirmed from two different doctors that he has a discolated joint... should be easy to rule it a NC.

Hopkins should retire though (while/if he's still champ) and let Dawson and Pascal fight again. He's old now and his joints are giving out pretty easy.
 
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WBC to recognize Hopkins as champ

Oct 20th, 2011


The World Boxing Council will continue to recognize Bernard Hopkins as its light heavyweight champ following a vote of its board of directors on Wednesday, RingTV.com has learned.

The majority of the WBC's board members disagreed with the official call of Hopkins' WBC and RING title defense against Chad Dawson on Saturday in Los Angeles. Dawson won the fight by controversial second-round TKO after shoving Hopkins to the canvas where the 46-year-old champ injured his left shoulder and was deemed unfit to continue by referee Pat Russell.

Hopkins maintains that he was fouled by the young challenger and thus the bout should have been ruled a No Contest. Russell did not view Dawson's shove as foul, accidental or otherwise. Golden Boy Promotions filed a protest with the California State Athletic Commission which will review the fight and make a ruling at a Dec. 13 hearing.

THE RING magazine continues to recognize Hopkins as its champ pending that ruling.
 
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EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: BERNARD HOPKINS
By G. Leon

GL: Can you give us some thoughts on your bout with Chad Dawson and its unfortunate conclusion? "Yes I can Greg. First of all, the fans got cheated out of what I feel was going to be a great performance and a great fight. When it's all said and done I believe the fight would have heated up and become something. I believe an intentional, to hurt or end my career, and Chad Dawson said he'd be the first fighter to end my career, now I know what he meant. Maybe he was hoping he'd throw me so hard I'd hit my neck and be paralyzed from the waist down.

"I know a lot of people have wanted a lot of things to happen to me in the game of boxing over the years and fortunately for me, they always come a little close. Antwun Echols, Robert Allen, I've been through this before Greg. I'm not innocent in boxing as far as when it comes to old school boxing. But I've never bitten anybody's ear and I've never intentionally picked up my opponent and throw them to the canvas. We all know about the shoulder move in boxing. It's an offensive-defensive move. Floyd Mayweather uses it very well, I use it very well and James Toney was the best at it in my era. If it was just that, I would have never went down that way. But when I'm lifted off my feet leveraged out and then thrust to the floor, that's something different. To me the intent was to hurt me. I understand we're in the hurt business, but this is not the MMA and this is not football. Tackling should not be allowed and the film speaks for itself. What people saw speaks for itself. If anybody else has an opinion or agenda based on what I may or may not have done in the past. Max said people would say I did certain things and that I got hit low and it didn't look that hard, well who's to say when I get hit in the nuts if it hurts or not when I'm the one who got hit in the nuts?

"When people start bringing up stuff that had nothing to do with last weekend Greg to justify what was a dirty move, it's done to slay me and make it seem like I got what I deserve because they have a reserve hatred to get me out of the game by any means necessary. I've enticed and aggravated the hornets nest, especially with my last two performances and after Chad Dawson missed with those bombs and I tapped him on the chin with an uppercut, the referee said that it wasn't a knockdown, but it was the same thing Tarver did when the glove kept him up. They took a knockdown from me and I didn't bitch when Chad used his forearm to push my neck into the ropes. The tape doesn't lie and I'm not even bitter, because when you know what's been going on for many years and you know that these young boys would rather foul me and get disqualified now than fight with me because I have a history of destroying the younger fighters. Now it's not about trying to win the fight, that's the hard part if they can do it. Now it seems it's about getting me hurt by any means necessary."

GL: I imagine the goal is to get the result changed to a no contest and get your belts back, correct?

Bernard Hopkins: "That's being nice! (laughs) That would be the easiest thing to do. My suggestion was that he is disqualified, because if I had done it there would have been no question I would have been disqualified. I believe all seperate entities will look at the tape and see that the referee never gave me a count and unlike Vegas where the refereee told me if you don't continue you're going to lose by TKO even though it was a foul. The referee said nothing but can you continue. I said yeah, with one hand. And he wouldn't allow it. Look at the footage and listen to the audio and look at the referee. How do you rule TKO there?

GL: I thought it was a no-contest all day.

BH: "Just like certain fighters fight too long and it looks like it, not their record, their performances. What about other jobs? That's why there is the word retirement. Maybe Pat Russell has been a good referee and he's done some matches over the years, he's a senior referee, maybe that's why he got the main event. But at the end of the day he blew it."

GL: How long will this injury keep you sidetracked?

BH: "First of all anybody who thought I was faking is going to have to backtrack and come another way because I never met the doctor who diagnosed me until I arrived at the emergency room. I'm taking the MRI and after the resuls come back tomorrow, I'll know when I can start my therapy. I don't want to go under the knife because that would delay me. Like I said I'm waiting on the results from the MRI which were done (Tuesday) at the Novacare center where the Phillies and Eagles get their injuries looked at."

GL: What message do you want to send to Chad Dawson?

BH: "The message I want to send to Chad Dawson and Gary Shaw, you don't have to worry about somebody asking him if they're going to give me a rematch. It's not a fight the world wanted to see from the start, and he sure didn't want to be in there from the start and he's not going to have to worry about a rematch once the powers that be do what is obviously the right thing. And I don't want the fans to let his intentional foul steer them away from buying Pacquiao-Marquez or any other PPV fights that come up in 2012. You can't judge boxing on one fight and I think the fans should hear that from me."

GL: How damaging to your future as a PPV fighter was that result?

BH: "I don't think it has any damage, people have TV's and they can see. I think it shows that Chad Dawson who couldn't bring flies to shit or bees to honey, I know what it does to his, but for me I think people will remember the Pascal fight as my last fight because I did nothing to entice him into intentionally fouling me. Maybe he thought I was going to be dirty so he wanted to be dirty first. I don't know what was in his head, but I know what he did. If anything I think the fans saw me get fouled and this should only help my fanbase, because now the world is seeing these young guys can't beat me without having to foul me. People saw what it was, I feel like I'm overkilling it now Greg, have a good night and send my love to your family."
 
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JOHN SCULLY: HOPKINS DIDN'T SHOW HE WANTED TO FIGHT

By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards

Stephen Edwards: Let's get right to it John. What was your take on the five minutes that the Chad Dawson-Bernard Hopkins fight lasted and what would you say to people such as myself, who didn't think either fighter had a decided advantage and would question why Hopkins would allegedly quit, when neither guy was beating the other up?

John Scully [trainer of Chad Dawson]: I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and say Hopkins wanted to quit. I don't know. In my opinion the fight doesn't start until the fourth or fifth round anyway, when the muscles loosen up and they start letting their combinations go. I do feel Hopkins looked passive. He wasn't biting down on his mouthpiece. He just didn't look aggressive. I felt good about Chad's intensity and how asservtive he was. I don't think Hopkins realized how strong Chad was. Chad is very physically strong and this was one of the best training camps he has had in a long while.


SE: That's interesting you bring up physical strength. There is a misconception by people who don't know boxing that think physical strength equates to punching power. But that's not true. Chad is not known as a puncher but he did seem very strong in the fight. Much like his assistant trainer Winky Wright.

JS: Very true. Chad is extremely strong. I actually used to spar Roy Jones. And Roy was a very hard puncher. You didn't want to get hit by Roy. But I didn't think he was physically strong. There is a huge difference. Bernard underestimated Chad in my opinion. At the weigh-in, he told Chad there were no gangsters in Connecticut. Chad may not be a gangster in Bernard's terms, but Chad is not a soft kid and he was there to prove it.

SE: At the end of the first round, Chad dropped his hands and Hopkins tried to sneak in a right. You seemed a little aggravated going back to the corner. I heard you say keep your eye on the end zone. Tell me about that?

JS: I like to use visual analogies. I wanted him to visualize that he was on the 1 yard line with 99 yards to go. Not stopping on the 40 yard line but going all the way to the end zone. My plan was to keep him visual on his goal after each and every round. Sometimes it can frustrating for a fighter when his opponent does not seem to want to fight. I didn't want Chad to get caught up in that.

SE: Very smart. The one thing about Hopkins is he is all about winning. He doesn't care if it's not action packed, he's extremely patient. Now I want you to tell me what happened during the incident that ended the fight?

JS: We trained for this. I told Chad during camp that if Hopkins pulls the same thing he did against Roy Jones, just stay focused and don't lose composure. When Hopkins went down, I knew he wasn't going to get up. He had this look of being so distressed. I told our cutman there was no way Hopkins was getting up. Listen, I had a rotator cuff injury. I got it in the first round of a fight and I went the ten-round distance basically with one arm. The way Hopkins was acting, I knew he wasn't going to continue.

SE: The main reason I'm doing this follow-up interview is because you sent me an e-mail you recieved from your friend who is in the medical field. Can you elaborate?:

JS: Basically my friend told me that Hopkins would have been in much more distress if he injury was legit. To me, Hopkins looked like he had a bad sunburn, with that face he makes. My friend also told me that the doctor gave that diagnosis from what Hopkins told him. Whenever you go to a doctor, they ask you a series of questions and from your answers they diagnose. It's no differenct then when you miss work, and you tell the doctor your symptoms, they diagnose you from what you tell them. In Bernard's case, his injury is supposed to have levels one through five. It's like having a broken arm. There are different levels to having a break. There are compound fractures, hair line fractures etc. Same thing here. We would need an MRI to really determine what happened.

SE: Now I want to talk about Chad's attitude. You can hear him on the microphone calling Bernard a p*ssy and asking him to fight. Do you think Chad was so intense because he recieved so much criticism because of his loss to Jean Pascal?

JS: Yes I do. I told Chad to listen to your enemies and critics because they are probably telling you the truth. They want to hurt you. I told him that I know he can beat people by a little bit. But I want him to beat people by a lot. Chad was very disappointed in the outcome. He wanted to showcase his skills. He was very motivated by the critics.


SE: I like that. I have never heard anybody say that before, but it's the truth. Next I want to ask do you think the referee held Hopkins's past against him and did you hear what was said to Hopkins while he was on the ground? I heard someone ask him can he continue, and I think Hopkins responded, "with one arm."

JS: Well first off, I think it's human nature to hold someone's past against him. So in that sense he does have a history of this, so yes I think the referee held his past against him a little bit. As for what he said to the ref, I don't know. I didn't hear anything. But I will say this. I fought Tony Thornton and I had a severe cut. Rudy Battle told me that he was going to give me one more round. I literally threatened his life. I told him it was my life and he better not stop the fight. I went the distance. I say that to say, if you really want to fight, you lie about the injury. You do whatever you have to do to continue. Hopkins laid on the canvas and gave everybody the impression he didn't want to fight anymore.

SE: Last question. Will you guys have to testify at a hearing or anything of the sort, in reference to the incident?

JS: I believe we will. I got word from Chad's attorney, Herman Woodard that we may have to give a statement.
 
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lol at Hopkins, jumping on someones back aint boxing either. hang em up
he lunged in with a punch and missed. and if you want to get real technical, dawson ducked below the waist which is actually illegal in boxing, and that's what caused hopkins to miss, the result was hopkins being leaning on him. Then of course dawson lifted him up with his hand under his leg and used his shoulder to throw him off.

regardless anyway spins it, this was clearly a No Contest.
 
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WBC does the right thing. Technical draw, although I still think No Contest is best but pretty similar.



Sulaiman Explains Why WBC Title Returns To Hopkins


By Jose Sulaiman


Regarding the light heavweight defense between WBC world champion Bernard Hopkins and challenger Chad Dawson, held [last Saturday] in Los Angeles, California, in which the referee declared a second round technical knockout against the champion Hopkins, as he could not continue due to an injury after a push by challenger Dawson - the head offices of the WBC sent videos, medical reports, and the WBC's corresponding rules to the Board of Governors, who unanimously declared the fight a technical draw. Therefore, Bernard Hopkins is still the WBC light heavyweight champion of the world.

The WBC Board of Governors, after reviewing the video of the fight, unanimously declared that the action [by Dawson] reflects a clear intentional lifting of the body, followed with a push to Hopkins, that made him fall on his left side with part of his body outside of the ropes.

The report from California Medical Center was also considered by the board, which states “Bernard Hopkins has been released from the California Medical Center in Los Angeles after being x-rayed and examined by Dr. Sam Thurber, MD who diagnosed Hopkins with a separation of the acromioclavicular (A-C) joint which connects the collar bone and shoulder blade.”

The WBC determined that 'point 29 of the rule WC-34' related to fouls was violated: “any rough tactics other than clean punches,” covered the ruling of the WBC.

WBC's rule WC-32 was followed for the board's consideration: “Injuries from head butts, elbows, or other accidental or illegal actions (injury). The following description applies to injuries from not only head butts and elbows, but from any other accidental or illegal actions and/or if the bout can not continue:

* There will be a point deduction
* Technical draw if before the start of the 5th round
* Technical decision as per scorecards, if after the fifth round

Article WC- 33 was also considered: Body Fouls — except as provided below, there will be no disqualification for fouls to the body. The referee, at his discretion, determines that there was a foul and the ring doctor determines that the fouled boxer cannot continue and/or if the offending boxer should be disqualified. If the doctor determines the fouled boxer can continue fighting but he does not continue, he will lose by abandonment.

In conclusion, after thoroughly examining the video of the fight and the medical report, as well as the corresponding rules, the WBC's Board of Governors decided unanimously to declare the bout a technical draw and to still consider Bernard Hopkins as the WBC light heavyweight champion of the world.

The WBC regrets its inability to implement an instant replay video at the fight, due to the fact that the California Commission does not have that rule.

The WBC respects and can not intervene in the decisions of the boxing commissions where the fights happen, but it does intervene in regards the the recognition of the WBC world title, by being the exclusive owners of the trademark and championship accolades.

We hope that the California Commission will review our ruling at their next meeting in December.
 

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he lunged in with a punch and missed. and if you want to get real technical, dawson ducked below the waist which is actually illegal in boxing, and that's what caused hopkins to miss, the result was hopkins being leaning on him. Then of course dawson lifted him up with his hand under his leg and used his shoulder to throw him off.

regardless anyway spins it, this was clearly a No Contest.
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so just so this is clear. Hopkins still has the belts since the WBC overturned the ruling.

However as of now he still has the LOSS on his record and Dawson has the WIN. This is because the records are up to the state commission, which is still pending.

I don't know exactly when their ruling will be, but I heard that they might not review the fight till december (which I'm sure they'll declare a NC). But that leads to another question - WTF does the CA state athletics commission to this whole time? lmao. It should take like 1-3 hours tops, with the panel of people, make a vote, and that's it. whatever though
 

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so just so this is clear. Hopkins still has the belts since the WBC overturned the ruling.

However as of now he still has the LOSS on his record and Dawson has the WIN. This is because the records are up to the state commission, which is still pending.

I don't know exactly when their ruling will be, but I heard that they might not review the fight till december (which I'm sure they'll declare a NC). But that leads to another question - WTF does the CA state athletics commission to this whole time? lmao. It should take like 1-3 hours tops, with the panel of people, make a vote, and that's it. whatever though
I'm serious when I say this but you should call csac and ask them. I was tempted to call them yesterday and ask why they don't have certain shit like rules, the appeals process, etc on the website.
 
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The problem with the WBC belt is that it doesn't matter. This fight was for lineage which Hopkins won when he beat Pascal, which Pascal won when he beat Dawson for the vacated #1 Vs. #2 in the division fight. WBC overturning it is cool, but it doesn't mean anything.

As long as the fight stands as called Dawson is the lineal champ of the division, belt or no belt, and it's a shame that Hopkins lost something so important on such a terrible outcome.
 
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The problem with the WBC belt is that it doesn't matter. This fight was for lineage which Hopkins won when he beat Pascal, which Pascal won when he beat Dawson for the vacated #1 Vs. #2 in the division fight. WBC overturning it is cool, but it doesn't mean anything.

As long as the fight stands as called Dawson is the lineal champ of the division, belt or no belt, and it's a shame that Hopkins lost something so important on such a terrible outcome.
I'm sure the state of CA will overturn this as well, The Ring also made a statement that they are not handing over the belt to Dawson either (yet). So I'm fairly confident the state commission will do the same as the WBC (or rule a NC) and Hopkins will remain the lineal champ.
 
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Hopkins blasts his critics

By Chris LaBate

WBC light heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins is blasting everyone in sight.

"If you cowards think I'll let you slide from them comments you made...trust me, I got you bitch ass chumps," Hopkins shouted off.

On Chad Dawson
- Yes I want a rematch to prove I am the man. Chad Dawson ain't shit but a sucka. Chad talked all that shit after the fight was stopped. I hit that hoe with a body shot and I heard the air come out of him.

On James Toney - James Toney talking a lot of shit. He's broke, fighting to get some money. I remember when he got the Achilles tendon injury. He fell on the floor crying like a baby. James Toney is a phony. He got his ass beat in UFC by Randy [Couture]. Didn’t he test positive for steroids? He's pimping his name for a check.

On Antonio Tarver - Antonio Tarver talking all that shit. The same guy I whooped....[and] begged Buddy McGirt to tell him something so he wouldn’t get knocked out. Tarver, the same cat who will be broke, [and] still fighting to look for a check. Tarver, you can do all the talking you want…I beat your ass...period!! Then you had the nerve to say you would have knocked me out.
 
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Yeah Tarver and B-Hop was going back and forth on Twitter yesterday. Tarver still bitter about getting dominated so badly by Hopkins. Complaining he get a rematch lol. Didnt peep out Dawsons or Toneys tweets