A possible solution to help clean up the ghettos of the U.S.

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May 20, 2006
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observe a housing project as your sample population. of course the dealers and addicts would need to participate.
I observed a housing project and every visitor (addicts) that drove through, was driving an imported vehicle by white men in suits. Go figure????? The residents that lived in the housing projects (dealers) were black, white, and brown. Go figure????? The residents drive imported vehicles also. Damn, only in America. lol.
 
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dealers/addicts arent limited to the projects.

I observed a housing project and every visitor (addicts) that drove through, was driving an imported vehicle by white men in suits. Go figure????? The residents that lived in the housing projects (dealers) were black, white, and brown. Go figure????? The residents drive imported vehicles also. Damn, only in America. lol.
only the dumb ones.
 
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At that point no.

But I think it's worth exploring.

I dont think it's a racially biased proposition - most welfare recipients are single white mothers.
well don't you think if you test EVERY recipient of cash aid, the overwhelming majority are not going to test dirty? And what if someone got high on something that a friend or someone else supplied? Should they lose their aid in that case? to me the whole idea of drug testing these people is not only unnecessarily intrusive to people's privacy, but would also cost way more than it would be saving. Plus, you take that money away from the drug users, then they have to commit more serious crime in order to support their habit.
I fail to see how this would actually "clean up the ghetto" because it does not address the root issues that lead to poverty, despair and drug use (as has been stated multiple times already.) And when you take into consideration that a drug addict will resort to more serious, potenitally even violent crime when their aid is taken away, how is that actually cleaning up the ghetto? Its simply a near sighted proposal that could potentially break more than it fixes.
 
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The government has proven time after time their legislation does NOTHING to make anything better..

Someone give an example of one law/ban/restriction that has actually done its purpose.

Also anyone who thinks that they can stop out drugs is insane!!!!

People dont pay any attention to laws anyways for the most part, people use morals and ethics..


The problem the ghetto faces is the greedy drug dealing terroristic gangbanging punks that use every and all measures to profit on dope... Expecting the customer to change is truly unrealistic, if you legalize the shit it will put an end to the drive from street corner drug sales because it puts the profit in the governments pocket..

So be it if people want to get all fucked up and destroy their lives but the fact remains the same, these folks only fuck up their lives, the addicts arent doing the drive by shootings, the suppliers are and I dont see the government doing any drive by shootings in the ghetto for drug money.


This is coming from a reformed hardcore dope dealing gangbanger.
 

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We can only speculate but I would guess its a lot.

The amount of welfare fraud is really scary.

Any time a bodega makes it business to buy food stamps you know you have a problem.
There are different types of welfare fraud, and the OP seems to only be concerned with what he feels is problematic in "the ghettos." Do we not have large amounts of welfare fraud in trailer parks and places riddled with meth addicts? Now don't get me wrong, one penny spent on drugs is a penny wasted, but the OP doesn't even know how much money is used in an inappropriate fashion and fails to tell us how much money would actually be needed to do this test he's talking about. Seriously, it's as if he himself took a slide off snowy mountain, woke up and decided to post this dumb ass topic without once thinking logically about his premise and what it is he feels should be done.

So if we don't have or know X (money/government aid spent on drugs), how can we suggest doing a test or anything else that costs money is more cost efficient or better for those people as a whole? Not to mention, that even if we actually regulate the misuse of funds through testing, you still have a drug problem that stems to other areas of our society and have an impact on other aid.
 
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There are different types of welfare fraud, and the OP seems to only be concerned with what he feels is problematic in "the ghettos." Do we not have large amounts of welfare fraud in trailer parks and places riddled with meth addicts? Now don't get me wrong, one penny spent on drugs is a penny wasted, but the OP doesn't even know how much money is used in an inappropriate fashion and fails to tell us how much money would actually be needed to do this test he's talking about.

So if we don't have or know X (money/government aid spent on drugs), how can we suggest doing a test or anything else that costs money is more cost efficient or better for those people as a whole? Not to mention, that even if actually were to regulate the misuse of funds, you still have a drug problem that stems to other areas of our society and have an impact on other aid.
I agree with you candy bar...

The thing is we cant lie to our selves and say this is an equal racial problem.

Per cap the percentage of minorities on welfare dwarfs the whites... Yes surely with out a doubt I can actually believe there are more whites on welfare then blacks but at the same time blacks only make up 12% of the population and I firmly, logically and accept the fact that blacks are more "at risk" to be on welfare then whites.

The problem we face today is hate.... Blacks are told that if they do the right thing and assimilate into society, they're an "uncle tom"...
 

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I agree with you candy bar...
That's great poop261.5, I'm glad we can come to some sort of agreement.

The thing is we cant lie to our selves and say this is an equal racial problem.
Before your post, no one here was implying it was or wasn't. What many of us are implying is it's a problem that goes beyond skin tone and can be linked to poverty, lack of education, etc and should be discussed as such.

Per cap the percentage of minorities on welfare dwarfs the whites... Yes surely with out a doubt I can actually believe there are more whites on welfare then blacks but at the same time blacks only make up 12% of the population and I firmly, logically and accept the fact that blacks are more "at risk" to be on welfare then whites.
This is reasonable, now I ask you why are blacks more "at risk" to be on welfare than whites?

The problem we face today is hate.... Blacks are told that if they do the right thing and assimilate into society, they're an "uncle tom"...
As long as white people own the majority of the worlds wealth, or as long as white privilege is a constant theme in our society, black people will never truly be able to assimilate into american society. However, the question here is why do blacks need to assimilate and become a part of american society, and how do you expect a group that has been mistreated for centuries to properly do it?
 
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As long as white people own the majority of the worlds wealth, or as long as white privilege is a constant theme in our society, black people will never truly be able to assimilate into american society. However, the question here is why do blacks need to assimilate and become a part of american society, and how do you expect a group that has been mistreated for centuries to properly do it?
Isn't it obvious? Becoming a conservative republican is clearly the answer blacks have been looking for from day one!
 
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That's great poop261.5, I'm glad we can come to some sort of agreement.



Before your post, no one here was implying it was or wasn't. What many of us are implying is it's a problem that goes beyond skin tone and can be linked to poverty, lack of education, etc and should be discussed as such.



This is reasonable, now I ask you why are blacks more "at risk" to be on welfare than whites?



As long as white people own the majority of the worlds wealth, or as long as white privilege is a constant theme in our society, black people will never truly be able to assimilate into american society. However, the question here is why do blacks need to assimilate and become a part of american society, and how do you expect a group that has been mistreated for centuries to properly do it?
Dont get mad because I call you candy bar.... Thats me being nice.

Get over race bro..

I'm getting tired of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie

and the racial version of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome