A possible solution to help clean up the ghettos of the U.S.

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The problem still persists. You can't talk about spending government aid on drugs without addressing drug use as the two are correlated. So what, you find a way to stop them from spending government aid and then what?



So if a person catches a drug case because he spent his own $20 on a crack rock, and has no money to afford a lawyer, you're saying he shouldn't be given a PD? So where would that leave PD's?



So what exactly is your point here? You say you agree that it would be nearly impossible to effectively control this, and say it would create a shift in spending habits and creation of bartering drug trade, but you forget that the problem still persists. So in essence, the fiend will spend the money on food or other tangibles and spend trade those goods for drugs. So what is the problem here that needs to be addressed? Should we seek to reduce the drug problem or should we seek to control spending habits by offering drug tests?

Logic my friend....
Thats not logic..

What are the root causes of problems as you see it??

No doubt it would take too much time to list all problems but pleas just list a few that are on your mind or you think are key???
 

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Thats not logic..

What are the root causes of problems as you see it??

No doubt it would take too much time to list all problems but pleas just list a few that are on your mind or you think are key???
There is no reason for me to exchange anything with you as you'll simply do what you usually do. Better luck next time.
 
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the reasons for drug use and abuse are based on conditioning, or lack thereof. Your fix will only get more people locked up and intensify the perpetuation of the cycle.
 
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its a give/take imo.

the reasons for drug use and abuse are based on conditioning, or lack thereof. Your fix will only get more people locked up and intensify the perpetuation of the cycle.
obviously violence in these areas would increase from withdrawl, etc. but i think long-term it would pay dividends. providing help for addiction would be necessary.
 
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the reasons for drug use and abuse are based on conditioning, or lack thereof. Your fix will only get more people locked up and intensify the perpetuation of the cycle.

1 - Not all drug abuse is based on conditioning

2 - Domestic abuse can also be based on conditioning. Should we not be holding those perpetrators accountable for fear of intensifying the perpetuation of the cycle?
 
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The problem still persists. You can't talk about spending government aid on drugs without addressing drug use as the two are correlated. So what, you find a way to stop them from spending government aid and then what?



So if a person catches a drug case because he spent his own $20 on a crack rock, and has no money to afford a lawyer, you're saying he shouldn't be given a PD? So where would that leave PD's?



So what exactly is your point here? You say you agree that it would be nearly impossible to effectively control this, and say it would create a shift in spending habits and creation of bartering drug trade, but you forget that the problem still persists. So in essence, the fiend will spend the money on food or other tangibles and trade those goods for drugs. So what is the problem here that needs to be addressed? Should we seek to reduce the drug problem or should we seek to control spending habits by offering drug tests?

Logic my friend....


I don't see the absence of logic in my post? :confused:

My point: regardless of the causation, the government should not be giving any type of financial aid to people who use that money to purchase drugs or offset their non-discretionary budget in order to purchase drugs.

And I concede that this is only possible in the hypothetical realm because there would be almost no way to enforce this policy.
 
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1 - Not all drug abuse is based on conditioning
yes it is, you obviously dont know the extent of conscious and subconscious conditioning.

2 - Domestic abuse can also be based on conditioning. Should we not be holding those perpetrators accountable for fear of intensifying the perpetuation of the cycle?
how will holding them accountable perpetuate the cycle?

domestic violence isnt a means of survival to many, nor can it be done peacefully.
 
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taking away resources would lead to an increase in violence crime.

not saying nothin bout violence
drug abuse and crime go hand in hand. Environment has alot more to do with it than conditioning. conditioning would be the addiction to the substance. i doubt people smoke crack because they're conditioned to smoke it. i'm not a crack smoker. i wouldn't know.
 
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drug abuse and crime go hand in hand. Environment has alot more to do with it than conditioning. conditioning would be the addiction to the substance. i doubt people smoke crack because they're conditioned to smoke it.
again, i never said anything about a violent reaction.


you arent thinking hard enough about the conditioning of the consciousness. You think the environment has nothing to do with conditioning or what?