A possible solution to help clean up the ghettos of the U.S.

[radiostationrep]

i understand what your saying.

again, i never said anything about a violent reaction.


you arent thinking hard enough about the conditioning of the consciousness. You think the environment has nothing to do with conditioning or what?

i think there are many factors that contribute to drug abuse. every factor doesnt apply to every addict. consciously or unconciously abusing drugs gets old at some point im sure. the governments job is to help these people, not contribute to their addiction. the governments interests revolve around propertied white males, not the ghettos they created. now its time to clean them up imo.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

i think there are many factors that contribute to drug abuse. every factor doesnt apply to every addict. consciously or unconciously abusing drugs gets old at some point im sure. the governments job is to help these people, not contribute to their addiction. the governments interests revolve around propertied white males, not the ghettos they created. now its time to clean them up imo.

the government loves locking people up, so the government will love your idea, provided they continue supplying the ghettos with the crack

 

[Mike Manson]

imo to many people abuse financial aid. people recieve benefits that don't need or deserve it, some people that need it don't receive it. i feel that the government needs to start a policy that requires drug testing. the reason is simple: it's a well known fact the 1st and 15th are great for business if your a drug dealer. Where are the addicts recieving this money from? quit giving money away. i have no problem helping out those that need financial help. i have a problem with government assistance being used to support drug habits. this would be a start to help out the low-income communities with positive results. being that we are having an economic crisis the system needs to be looked at as a whole and needs to be restructured. the tax payers pay for their drugs, housing, and jails. its sickening if you really think about it.

I do not know the financial aid people get in the US, but it is probably not on the level as in a lot of other countries.
For example in Germany, the government will give you all the "basic needs" for free (apartment, furniture, clothes, TV, washing machine, etc.) + money, if you are without job and can't finance it on your own. The only thing that the government forces you to do is, that you have to go to special government controlled job centers, that will offer you either training programs to improve yourself and to find a job, or they give you job offers. If the person always refuses these offers, then the government will slowly reduce the monthly payments.
There are still alotta people who work illegally (without a company, license etc.), and get money from the government and live pretty good, and those who just don't give a fuck and get drunk or take drugs all day. But it is impossible to have any kind of system without people taking "advantage" off it.

 

[HERESY]

I don't see the absence of logic in my post?

Ok, your problem not mine.

My point: regardless of the causation, the government should not be giving any type of financial aid to people who use that money to purchase drugs or offset their non-discretionary budget in order to purchase drugs.

We both agree with that, but is drug testing the way to go? You're forgetting the OP is suggesting drug testing is a way to start the process of help in certain communities, so with that in mind, should we focus on drug testing as a way to eliminate the problem or should we focus on drugs?

And I concede that this is only possible in the hypothetical realm because there would be almost no way to enforce this policy.

So what do we do?

 

[HERESY]

if you only knew hermit.

Again, you can barely type coherent sentences.

 

[radiostationrep]

i agree with you.

I do not know the financial aid people get in the US, but it is probably not on the level as in a lot of other countries.
For example in Germany, the government will give you all the "basic needs" for free (apartment, furniture, clothes, TV, washing machine, etc.) + money, if you are without job and can't finance it on your own. The only thing that the government forces you to do is, that you have to go to special government controlled job centers, that will offer you either training programs to improve yourself and to find a job, or they give you job offers. If the person always refuses these offers, then the government will slowly reduce the monthly payments.
There are still alotta people who work illegally (without a company, license etc.), and get money from the government and live pretty good, and those who just don't give a fuck and get drunk or take drugs all day. But it is impossible to have any kind of system without people taking "advantage" off it.

there will be abuse in any system. Germany's has the right idea imo.

 

[radiostationrep]

cool.

Again, you can barely type coherent sentences.

keep judging books by their cover.

 

[HERESY]

keep judging books by their cover.

No, I'm judging the book by the content and what I've read. Would you like for me to tell you what I've read or should I continue on about my business?

 

[radiostationrep]

whatever floats your boat.

No, I'm judging the book by the content and what I've read. Would you like for me to tell you what I've read or should I continue on about my business?

i'm not concerned what you think either way.

 

[HERESY]

i'm not concerned what you think either way.

The feelings are mutual.

 

[radiostationrep]

cool.

The feelings are mutual.

lets move on.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

again, i never said anything about a violent reaction.


you arent thinking hard enough about the conditioning of the consciousness. You think the environment has nothing to do with conditioning or what?

I dont see how cryptic quasi-arguments advance your point.

There are those from healthy environments who choose to become drug addicts. There are those who come from terrible environments and become success stories.

Blaming it on mind rays or the CIA bringing crack into the hood or whatever the fuck else is gibberish.

 

[swoop187]

No, I'm judging the book by the content and what I've read. Would you like for me to tell you what I've read or should I continue on about my business?

You think so?

I dont.

You dont even make good arguments!

 

[SeriouslyThug]

I dont see how cryptic quasi-arguments advance your point.

There are those from healthy environments who choose to become drug addicts. There are those who come from terrible environments and become success stories.

Blaming it on mind rays or the CIA bringing crack into the hood or whatever the fuck else is gibberish.

healthy environments to you dont support my view of a healthy one.

 

[swoop187]

I dont see how cryptic quasi-arguments advance your point.

There are those from healthy environments who choose to become drug addicts. There are those who come from terrible environments and become success stories.

Blaming it on mind rays or the CIA bringing crack into the hood or whatever the fuck else is gibberish.

Thats not a very good argument..

Define success via the hood???

Their is no true success from the hood... its a conditional success at best.

I'm from the hood, a once liberal turned Republican and I'm hated by most from the hood and loved by few, I'm not even black. However I know blacks who have found the right way out and have been black balled by their own hood for it...

Whats the right way?

The Jessie Jackson way???

 

[COPIUM]

^^to say there is no success from the hood shows your ignorance because im sure you do not know everyones story.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

swoop, Youre arguing something I never even mentioned or alluded to. I don't know anyone who has 'Jesse Jacksoned' themselves into success, and furthermore it's tangential.

SeriouslyThug - youre a big fucking phony for having the word thug in your name. Obviously if you really cared about black people you would take the 'thug' out your name.

Now that that's out of the way.

Speaking like you're marketing 'The Secret' is not helpful. Are you saying people who grow up in unhealthy environments psychically or whatever you are referring to in triplespeak are permanently scarred and unable to function ata normal level - cognitively or otherwise?

 

[radiostationrep]

the war on drugs is not meant to be won.

economically it makes the most sense to legalize drugs(all), but it will not happen in our lifetime.

 

[swoop187]

^^to say there is no success from the hood shows your ignorance because im sure you do not know everyones story.

Of course their is... But the true success stories dont use the hood as an example of success...

Thats my point.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

I am against drug legalization.

The idea that drugs only exist because people profit from them is bullshit. Drugs exist because people are, and always will be unhappy. I wouldn't feel good about selling that shit, not the fuck especially selling it with my tax money, even if it made money.