**2nd Annual Official '09 SF GIants reg. season Thread**

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LA Dodgers said:
Anderson....are you serious?......first of all he isnt even in the same division......but lets assume he was......and compare numbers.........we will go last 5 and last 10 games......yes, brett anderson looks MUCH BETTER in his last 5 games, lol...........

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8409
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8180

Last 5 Games
Kershaw: 4-0, 30 IP, 3 ER, 13 H, 0 HR, 14 BB, 29 K
Anderson: 2-0, 31 IP, 4 ER, 16 H, 0 HR, 8 BB, 28 K

Last 10 Games
Kershaw: 6-2, 57 IP, 11 ER, 34 H, 1 HR, 32 BB, 53 K
Anderson: 4-3, 58 IP, 22 ER, 54 H, 6 HR, 14 BB, 50 K

On the season
Kershaw: 8-5, 107 IP, 35 ER, 70 H, 5 HR, 60 BB, 104 K, .193 BAA, 1.22 WHIP, 2.95 ERA
Anderson: 5-7, 95 IP, 45 ER, 97 H, 13 HR, 25 BB, 70 K, .261 BAA, 1.28 WHIP, 4.25 ERA

both were drafted in '06.......both are 21 year old......Kershaw came up last year Anderson this year
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First you only wanna talk about the last month because thats when Kershaw's been at his best but then all the sudden you wanna talk about the whole season because I mention Anderson? I said even Brett Anderson has been better then Kershaw over the last month, nothing more. And yes 14 walks to 8 walks means that Anderson has been better. How are you going to be the best when someone has better stats then you? Compare Haren and Lincecum's stats to Kershaw's next time. (there's a reason you was quick to post anderson's stats and not Haren or Lincecum's)



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you only give up 2 or 3 hits you can get away with it.........plus in his last 5 outings he is averaging 2.8 BB's, in his last 10 it is 3.2 BB's, on the season it is 3.2 BB's per outing.............60 BB/19 Starts....(i do understand that 60 BB is high and averages about 5 BB per 9 innings)....
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He averages 5.3 hits a game, not 2 or 3. 60 walks leads the league, no way around that. You cant lead the league in free passes and be the best. Sorry.
 
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BaySickBrian said:
you're so stupid you make retards with brain damage look like albert einstein on adderall.



you tried to get at me first, sayin "i'm tryin to prove you wrong". now you cryin, again.

all you do is laugh like a homosexual (when weather is fair) or cry/whine when you do try to form a sentence.



i dont act like anything. i replied to your post that made no sense.



just one of the many examples of your mental incompacities. just cause you play "pitch and catch" doesnt mean you have knowledge relevant to sports.



like i've said before; let my nuts have some oxygen.

obviously the graphic bothers you since you stuck on it like fly paper. buzz away fruitfly.
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DAMN, IT TOOK YOU ALL NIGHT AND MORNING TO POST THAT??? MUST BE TOUGH WRITING AND REWRITING YOUR ROUGH DRAFTS, HUH???
 
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DAMN, IT TOOK YOU ALL NIGHT AND MORNING TO POST THAT??? MUST BE TOUGH WRITING AND REWRITING YOUR ROUGH DRAFTS, HUH???
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once again, you further prove your ignorance since you can't tell the difference between midnight or noon. nice reply btw, well thought out and clever.


 
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numbers dont lie......if you know how to read them......


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7981
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7172
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8180

Last 5 Games
Kershaw: 4-0, 30 IP, 3 ER, 13 H, 0 HR, 14 BB, 29 K
D. Haren: 4-1, 37 IP, 7 ER, 23 H, 1 HR, 5 BB, 41 K
Lincecum: 3-1, 35 IP, 8 ER, 20 H, 2 HR, 9 BB, 44 K

last 5 are comparable.....haren and linc have better BB/K ratios, Kershaw is lacking........Kershaw was stingy and didnt get hit, Linc and Haren got hit

Last 10 Games
Kershaw: 6-2, 57 IP, 11 ER, 34 H, 1 HR, 32 BB, 53 K
D. Haren: 7-1, 75 IP, 12 ER, 45 H, 4 HR, 9 BB, 74 K
Lincecum: 6-2, 75 IP, 16 ER, 53 H, 5 HR, 18 BB, 84 K

again better BB/K ratio for haren and linc.......they also went deeper into the game..........hits are comparable..........Kershaw was the only one that was extra stingy giving up the long ball.........


On the season
Kershaw: 8-5, 107 IP, 35 ER, 70 H, 5 HR, 60 BB, 104 K, .193 BAA, 1.22 WHIP, 2.95 ERA
Haren: 10-5, 138 IP, 30 ER, 93 H, 12 HR, 18 BB, 137 K, .187 BAA, 0.80 WHIP, 1.96 ERA
Lince: 10-3, 140 IP, 38 ER, 112 H, 6 HR, 37 BB, 168 K, .222 BAA, 1.17 WHIP, 2.45 ERA

on the season......kershaw's numbers are suffering from his high walk ratio....if you break down linc and kershaw numbers....they are pretty damn close................linc is K'ing out more and BB'ing less batters.............but more batters are hitting linc than Kershaw..........Kershaw is hard to hit............

Linc and Haren are at their peak...........there is no projection to them.........Kershaw projects to add velocity and command with experience....Kershaw has had to learn the most important pitch in baseball...the changeup while pitching for a WS contender (not an easy task)........once the command comes..........his potential is near limitless.......

haren has 3-5 more years of great numbers than he should start falling off, albeit Hraen falling off will still be an ELITE pitcher......

lincecum is at his peak......he has command and he isnt going to add any velocity..........

Linc and Kershaw are putting up similar numbers..........Linc is easier to hit than Kershaw......kershaw is putting guys on base for free............

Kershaw is putting in less innings because he has control issues often...........he is also putting in less innings because the Dodgers are taking special care of his arm............rarely letting him go over 100 pitches, he is usually in the 90-105 range....while lincecum is usually in the 110-128 range.....


other reasons kershaw is getting lifted early are
1. Dodgers have a "great" bullpen..........(AZ is horrible, SF is decent)
2. Kershaws max is 170 innings in a season, cant have dead arm in late sept/early oct.........
3. he is 21 and in his first full season............


comparing the 3......HAREN is by far the best pitcher this year...........and it isnt even close...........
 
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uhh.. i think SF has more than a decent bullpen..

Romo, Affeldt, M&M boys, Wilson >>>>


and im not gonna mention this again.. MECHANICS! when those are in place.. very little stress on the arm.. so quit the yappin about the whole arm going to shit.. this aint 12 year old little league boys.. this is men whos ligaments and arm muscles are developed far beyond that of a prepubescent 12 year old whos not allowed to throw breaking balls/change ups.

Kershaw is only 21.. not even proven yet.. talk to me when he wins cy young or pitches a full season where he gets atleast 15 wins, 180k's minimum, those walks come down..

as far as im concerned Lincecum/Haren >> Kershaw.. hell lets even throw in Cain.. these are pitchers who are proven.. Kershaw has maturing to do.. he's a good pitcher but a good month does not by any means constitute him thrown in the same convo as pitchers who are proven.

By the way.. lincecum doesnt need to add on to his pitches, why? because he throws enough heat, has good movement on his fastballs, he's being efficient and carefully places those pitches so he doesnt have to blow them by batters every time.
 
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LA Dodgers said:
in all honesty and as much as i hate to say it, you guys dont know shit about baseball other than just watching a few games on TV........
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That's fine but since you know so much about baseball you should go live in your own team's thread, the "World Series Contender thread". We all know how great the Best team in baseball during the regular season has done as far as World Series wins the past several years now...
 
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LA Dodgers said:
numbers dont lie......if you know how to read them......

Last 5 Games
Kershaw: 4-0, 30 IP, 3 ER, 13 H, 0 HR, 14 BB, 29 K
D. Haren: 4-1, 37 IP, 7 ER, 23 H, 1 HR, 5 BB, 41 K
Lincecum: 3-1, 35 IP, 8 ER, 20 H, 2 HR, 9 BB, 44 K

last 5 are comparable.....haren and linc have better BB/K ratios, Kershaw is lacking........Kershaw was stingy and didnt get hit, Linc and Haren got hit

Last 10 Games
Kershaw: 6-2, 57 IP, 11 ER, 34 H, 1 HR, 32 BB, 53 K
D. Haren: 7-1, 75 IP, 12 ER, 45 H, 4 HR, 9 BB, 74 K
Lincecum: 6-2, 75 IP, 16 ER, 53 H, 5 HR, 18 BB, 84 K

again better BB/K ratio for haren and linc.......they also went deeper into the game..........hits are comparable..........Kershaw was the only one that was extra stingy giving up the long ball.........


On the season
Kershaw: 8-5, 107 IP, 35 ER, 70 H, 5 HR, 60 BB, 104 K, .193 BAA, 1.22 WHIP, 2.95 ERA
Haren: 10-5, 138 IP, 30 ER, 93 H, 12 HR, 18 BB, 137 K, .187 BAA, 0.80 WHIP, 1.96 ERA
Lince: 10-3, 140 IP, 38 ER, 112 H, 6 HR, 37 BB, 168 K, .222 BAA, 1.17 WHIP, 2.45 ERA

on the season......kershaw's numbers are suffering from his high walk ratio....if you break down linc and kershaw numbers....they are pretty damn close................linc is K'ing out more and BB'ing less batters.............but more batters are hitting linc than Kershaw..........Kershaw is hard to hit............
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When your pitching more innings, your going to give up more hits. Thanks for posting the stats to that prove your argument wrong. He's giving up more hits, but kershaw is giving up more earned runs in less innings pitched. Hits dont count for points, RUNS do.

Remember your opinion (kershaw being hard to "hit") is your opinion, its not a fact.


LA Dodgers said:
Linc and Haren are at their peak...........there is no projection to them.........Kershaw projects to add velocity and command with experience....Kershaw has had to learn the most important pitch in baseball...the changeup while pitching for a WS contender (not an easy task)........once the command comes..........his potential is near limitless.......

haren has 3-5 more years of great numbers than he should start falling off, albeit Hraen falling off will still be an ELITE pitcher......

lincecum is at his peak......he has command and he isnt going to add any velocity..........

Linc and Kershaw are putting up similar numbers..........Linc is easier to hit than Kershaw......kershaw is putting guys on base for free............
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You meant to say Kershaw is easier to score on then Lincecum.

LOL @ WS contender. So thats makes his oppenents tougher because of that. Your in a fantasy lalaland.

Lincecum is stilling learning the change up, you probably didnt know that. And during his Cy Young season, he didnt have a change up. Which means he still is LEARNING to pitch. Which means he still hasnt gotten to his full Potential. Talk about talking about what you dont know.

Potential means nothing. Winning a CY Young mean alot more.




LA Dodgers said:
Kershaw is putting in less innings because he has control issues often...........he is also putting in less innings because the Dodgers are taking special care of his arm............rarely letting him go over 100 pitches, he is usually in the 90-105 range....while lincecum is usually in the 110-128 range.....
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Excuses why Lincecum is better. Remember you said he was better, not the other way around.


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other reasons kershaw is getting lifted early are
1. Dodgers have a "great" bullpen..........(AZ is horrible, SF is decent)
2. Kershaws max is 170 innings in a season, cant have dead arm in late sept/early oct.........
3. he is 21 and in his first full season............
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1 LA Dodgers 94 25 10 3.19 29 0 0 327.0 0 116 125 136 277 .222
2 Boston 87 14 10 3.25 27 0 0 271.1 0 98 107 112 246 .236
3 San Francisco 87 11 13 3.37 25 0 0 267.0 0 100 108 113 221 .242

When has decent been number 3 in the league? Dodgers have given up more Earned Runs, More Runs and more Walks.



LA Dodgers said:
comparing the 3......HAREN is by far the best pitcher this year...........and it isnt even close...........
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And who was arguing that fact? No one in thread has said Haren hasnt been the best pitcher except for you.
 
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LA Dodgers said:
in all honesty and as much as i hate to say it, you guys dont know shit about baseball other than just watching a few games on TV........
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Not knowing shit about baseball is what you just proved. You need to stop looking through your homer glasses and really watch baseball.

Ive been following Kershaw since he was called up last year and sent back down.

I watch Baseball, you just watch the dodgers.
 
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Remember your opinion (kershaw being hard to "hit") is your opinion, its not a fact.
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On the season
Kershaw: 8-5, 107 IP, 35 ER, 70 H, 5 HR, 60 BB, 104 K, .193 BAA, 1.22 WHIP, 2.95 ERA
Haren: 10-5, 138 IP, 30 ER, 93 H, 12 HR, 18 BB, 137 K, .187 BAA, 0.80 WHIP, 1.96 ERA
Lince: 10-3, 140 IP, 38 ER, 112 H, 6 HR, 37 BB, 168 K, .222 BAA, 1.17 WHIP, 2.45 ERA

BAA= Batting average AGAINST.............in case you didnt read the stats...it isnt an opinion....it is a fact that Kershaw is harder to hit than the Lincecum
 
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LA Dodgers said:
On the season
Kershaw: 8-5, 107 IP, 35 ER, 70 H, 5 HR, 60 BB, 104 K, .193 BAA, 1.22 WHIP, 2.95 ERA
Haren: 10-5, 138 IP, 30 ER, 93 H, 12 HR, 18 BB, 137 K, .187 BAA, 0.80 WHIP, 1.96 ERA
Lince: 10-3, 140 IP, 38 ER, 112 H, 6 HR, 37 BB, 168 K, .222 BAA, 1.17 WHIP, 2.45 ERA

BAA= Batting average AGAINST.............in case you didnt read the stats...it isnt an opinion....it is a fact that Kershaw is harder to hit than the Lincecum
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of course it seems that way.. look at the Innings PITCHED!

of course hes going to be harder to hit with less innings put in.. lincecum has nearly 40 more innings pitched.
 
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